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Old 03-10-2010, 03:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I debated posting this where I do the bulk of my MMA-centric work, but since this is more personal and less focussed on the current climate of the sport, I figure itís appropriate just to post it here.

When I get into serious conversations about the sport with friends, I constantly get accused of hating on certain fighters, or loving certain fighters too much. Any maybe thatís true. There are definitely guys I donít like, thought I like to think my beef is generally rational, and not purely emotional.

Often, though, I defend my position by pointing out that my favorite fighters are pretty distant from the guys I think are the best in the world. There are exceptions, but most of the guys that I really like are far from the top of the rankings, even my rankings. The guy I generally consider my favorite fighter is sort of the case in point: Minowaman.

Thereís a tradition among sumo fans that the favorite competitor should not be a guy at the top of the heap, since itís easy to be a fan of a yokozuna. Itís tough to be a fan of a guy when heís not at the top of the heap, because it means having to keep awe somewhat proportional to performance. I donít mind being a fan of a guy who started his career 1-8-1, because when I look at his career, the numbers are what I care about anyway.

The numbers are criteria for talking about who I think is the best in the world. But when I deal with who I like to watch, who I root for, the criteria is totally different.
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Old 03-12-2010, 12:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I really enjoyed reading that article. You managed to express the beauty of MMA in such a picturesque way and I fully agree with you.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Throwing seat cushions? A Japanese crowd would never get that unruly!

Why can't the UFC do their rankings all ceremonious and kick ass like that?
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Throwing seat cushions? A Japanese crowd would never get that unruly!
Don't get me started on how much more I like Japanese fans than American fans.

That said, there are advantages to the American fanbase.


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Because the UFC doesn't get its history from professional wrestling.
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My second question was rhetorical, and we do want to hear why you like Japanese crowds better.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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My second question was rhetorical, and we do want to hear why you like Japanese crowds better.
I think there's an appreciation for the narratives of a fight that I can really relate to in the Japanese crowd. The American fans don't seem to care about the historicity of fights like Sakuraba vs. Royce Gracie. They'd just get irritated that it was 90 minutes long.

It also has a lot to do with the Japanese respect for the ground game. That's a respect that doesn't exist in the United States, even in professional wrestling. Professional wrestling in the U.S. isn't even about grappling. South Park had an episode about professional wrestling in which they pointed out that there's a homophobic reaction to what grappling looks like in the United States.

Mostly, though, it has a lot to do with this:


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Thereís a tradition among sumo fans that the favorite competitor should not be a guy at the top of the heap, since itís easy to be a fan of a yokozuna. Itís tough to be a fan of a guy when heís not at the top of the heap, because it means having to keep awe somewhat proportional to performance. I donít mind being a fan of a guy who started his career 1-8-1, because when I look at his career, the numbers are what I care about anyway.
I love this attitude.

I love the anti-bandwagon attitude. It's refreshing, and something that I can definitely relate to personally.
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My second question was rhetorical, and we do want to hear why you like Japanese crowds better.
Oh swp there are so many reasons! IronMan pointed out just a few, but the list is endless if you ask me..

It's the whole mentality from the Japanese and Asian people in general. They are all raised so differently to the Western population. They actually know what Respect means and how to Respect ppl for what they are doing. They don't bash them for no reason..

Look the Americans or Western ppl in general booh on somebody, who just gave the public one of the greatest MMA fights ever. But the only thing these dumb ppl are doing, is to booh them out for no reason.
Asian's will never do this, because of there whole mentality and education wich is so beautiful.

They still actually now how to treat a human being, a thing we never really learned or lost a long long time ago.


Another thing is, that the whole growd on a UFC event for example, is drunk after the second undercard fight. They start fighting on there own seats or screaming **** to the fighters. The alcohol makes them even more stupid, like they already are.
But the Japanese or the Asian civilisation in general however, would never drink as much that they can't control there own actions anymore! They would lose there face in front of everybody, if they would start acting like these Americans-Western faults. They would feel embarrassed when Western ppl are proud of these kind of actions.

We can learn so much from there mentality and great behaviour, but every Western stamped them and calls them weird or crazy.

But the thing is, it's the exact opposite!
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Excellent thread .

I LOVE the fact that win or loose the Japanese fans respect an effort, IF a fighter gives it all it has he is much respected even if he looses, here all you have to do is after a great fighter looses even if he gives it all come to the forums and see all the BS folks talk, folks are wanting him to retire say he is washed up or to old or what not ---we have much to learn---
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I LOVE the fact that win or loose the Japanese fans respect an effort, IF a fighter gives it all it has he is much respected even if he looses, here all you have to do is after a great fighter looses even if he gives it all come to the forums and see all the BS folks talk, folks are wanting him to retire say he is washed up or to old or what not ---we have much to learn---
Now, I don't think it's that American fans don't respect the effort. They definitely have respect for fighters who go to war. Guida after the Diego Sanchez fight got a ton of respect.

I agree that fans don't know how to react to losses.

A loss doesn't drop a fighter from the top ten. The guy's not done because he lost a tough fight or suffered an injury.

Miguel Torres has two losses. His career's not over. He's not even out of the top ten. Serra had two losses at welterweight (to GSP and Hughes, no less) and everyone was saying he should drop down to 155.

Franklin lost to Anderson twice and faced a huge amount of pressure to leave the middleweight division because he couldn't be a title contender there anymore.

So, yeah, the American standards for when I fighter should give up or go to a different division are completely unrealistic and more than a little ridiculous, even in instances where the fighter responds and goes somewhere else.
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