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IronMan 09-27-2010 01:09 PM

A Sad Goodbye, and Some Thoughts
 
This post is one of the more personal ones, but it seems appropriate, since it brings up some of the issues I've talked about extensively on the forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMan @ MMAOpinion
There are a handful of writers who have influenced and mentored me as I was a younger guy (literally, a boy) coming up writing about the sport. Early this year, I said goodbye to a dear friend, and (while this is a bit different) it still bears a sort of significance in that I will be a little more independent of the opinions and originative minds that shaped me, and my writing.

Ivan Trembow, the mastermind behind the Independent World MMA Rankings, and one of the best independent bloggers in the sport announced his decision to abstain from watching MMA, a decision that he did not come to lightly. The decision (I recommend reading his arguments yourself, as they are powerful) is one that startled me, as it left me largely responsible for the rankings, and it marked the departure of an interesting, thoughtful writer who I looked up to, forcing me to stop and think.

I revisited my position over and over again on this issue, and I found this: I donít agree with Ivanís decision to leave. I respect it. Heís entitled to his thoughts, his feelings, and they have merit. They are not my feelings. But they do iterate thoughts that ought to come to the forefront of MMA, that we donít discuss in the wake of event previews and matchup speculation.

You can read the full post here.

oldfan 10-02-2010 12:56 PM

http://www.ivansblog.com/2010/09/by-...go-i-made.html

The saddest, most thought provoking thing I've ever read on this or any other mma site.

You've ruined my day. I have much to consider.

Thank you

LV 2 H8 U 10-02-2010 01:05 PM

It is an inevitable subject that has been looming over H2H combat sports for sometime now. I think it is also something that every participant is keenly aware of. Not everything that we enjoy is good for us and some would say that most of what we enjoy is not good for us. I say do what you enjoy and live out your purpose.

E Lit Er Ate 10-02-2010 01:09 PM

for many fighters the alternative career paths are not alluring.

Alot of ppl do dangerous jobs. much more dangerous than fighting.


i dont see many ppl refusing to support police, fireman, army vets etc because their jobs are too dangerous and who are we to ask somebody to risk their lives and health for our benefit??


i just dont get the sentiment. I dont get how it would take so long to come to the conclusion that maybe fighting is bad for you longterm.

To each his own tho, i wish your friend the best and hopefully he can reconcile his issues with Mixed Martial Arts and become a fan again someday.

Football players go thru much the same thing but not many ppl stop watching football because of it.

Leed 10-02-2010 03:56 PM

Strong arguments about MMA not being as safe as advertised, yes, but I think it is a silly reason for not watching it any more. Just because now you know a thing or two about it, won't change anything, it will still be the same like when it was when you were a huge fan, and nothing will change if you stop watching it too. In my life I've been a fan of pro-wrestling, MMA and now I'm getting in to football also. I know they're all dangerous sports, but at the end of the day, it's their lives and they've chosen their path of life, and the path is to entertain us, so you might as well be entertained while watching. If you want, you can do research and worry after the show!

lazyfighter 10-18-2010 03:01 PM

Even if people stop watching the sport or even if it were banned to 'exposed' as being dangerous, people will still fight and still want to watch and take part in it.
I believe knowing your limits is important. I suffered a big concussion when a group of thugs jumped me and kicked me head when i was down. So im very aware of that and know that every concussion i receive from now on in will have an additive effect and build up to more damage over time.
The body and brain can take a certain amount. The trick is to know when you have had enough.
But then it comes down to promoters. The pressure to keep fighting.
I also completely disagree with continuing to strike your opponent when he is down. Even if you get a hunch he is knocked out STOP there is no need for continued punishment. That also takes part on the ref who should also stop the fight. But the ref can only move so fast.
IMO even kicking a downed opponent is wrong and should never have been allowed into ANY promotion. How is that martial arts? How is that sport? its just plain brutality!

Rocco1016 11-05-2010 03:26 PM

With all due respect.....why would you come on a website full of fans of MMA and post the dangers? There are dangers in everything you do from driving a car to riding a roller coaster because it may cause brain damage. My point is, there are numerous things in life that are risky. I don't think it's right to come on here and tell the world all the bad things about this sport. There are people with dreams that come to this site for guidance or advice and the last thing they want to read about is why they shouldn't go after their dreams or partake in the sport that they love. I am telling you this because I know first hand. I start training in January. You haven't discouraged me in the least but you may end up discouraging others. I am aware of the dangers just as I am aware that my chances of getting in a car accident are 1 in 16, but that doesn't stop me from driving. Go after your dreams people!! If fighting is what you want to do, DO IT!! I just wanted to state my opinion on the matter. No disrespect intended.

lazyfighter 11-05-2010 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocco1016 (Post 1296939)
With all due respect.....why would you come on a website full of fans of MMA and post the dangers? There are dangers in everything you do from driving a car to riding a roller coaster because it may cause brain damage. My point is, there are numerous things in life that are risky. I don't think it's right to come on here and tell the world all the bad things about this sport. There are people with dreams that come to this site for guidance or advice and the last thing they want to read about is why they shouldn't go after their dreams or partake in the sport that they love. I am telling you this because I know first hand. I start training in January. You haven't discouraged me in the least but you may end up discouraging others. I am aware of the dangers just as I am aware that my chances of getting in a car accident are 1 in 16, but that doesn't stop me from driving. Go after your dreams people!! If fighting is what you want to do, DO IT!! I just wanted to state my opinion on the matter. No disrespect intended.

Im not sure if your talking to me or not but I do agree with what you said.
Everything has dangers even walking out your own front door runs a risk for anything.
Any type of contact sport has its risks and rewards. Its in the nature and the name. Contact gives it away.
I totally disagree with writing an entire article about the dangers of it to put people off as he has put himself off.
I fight knowing full well I could get hurt and im sure my opponents feel exactly the same but thats the nature of fighting.
Fight if you want to fight and fight a good fight thats what i say.

Rocco1016 11-06-2010 07:54 PM

I was mainly referring to "Ivan's blog" and the person who posted the link. Thank you for your support. Glad to see I'm not alone on this.

IronMan 11-07-2010 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocco1016 (Post 1296939)
With all due respect.....why would you come on a website full of fans of MMA and post the dangers?

Well, given that Ivan and I are both journalists who cover MMA (though I suppose Ivan "was" a journalist, since he's retired now), we talk about it for the same reason that the guys on ESPN were talking about the head injuries in football after Gladwell published his piece on them: because it's important.

Many of my good friends are professional fighters. They're some of the best people out there, and I'm as big a fan of the sport as anyone (and also a huge supporter of football) but I'm not talking about it from the standpoint of a fan. I'm talking about it from the standpoint of someone who looks at the history of the sport and combat sports in general and worries about the future of fighters, precisely because many of my friends are among them. (and because when I see an issue in the sport, I write about it)

If you read my article on MMAOpinion or Ivan's article on his site, you'll notice that neither of those articles advocates against MMA. Certainly, as a fan of MMA and someone who makes some money writing about it from time to time, I'd never advocate that. But to talk about the sport, and the way the sport is covered, without discussing potential risks from time to time is like talking about buying a new car without talking about crash test standards: it makes no sense.


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