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post #121 of 275 (permalink) Old 03-28-2008, 09:46 PM
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I would say why but it would piss off a lot of the TKD people who would read it.



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My friend is a 2nd degree black belt in TKD and my other friends believe he is like the second coming of Jesus or something. They think my wrestling/shotokan karate/slight Muay Thai skills couldn't even touch him.

I publicly challenged him to a sparring match and never got an answer. If it were to ever happen though, I'm pretty sure I could win since I see TKD as only useful in TKD competition. The different variety of kicks look cool, but what effectiveness does that have on actual fights?
what you see in competition isn't necessarily what TKD practitioners do in the dojang. everybody knows a lot of judges like theater (like loud ass kihaps, nice looking but impractical kicks etc) and that's who they're trying to appeal to.


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Whatever happened to the technique, strength, and effectiveness of the kick? I guess, by the way you're putting it, you can throw that out the window if you take TKD. I see it as more for fitness and flexibility, rather than for good ol' ass kicking.

I would really love to spar with a TKD practicioner in a MMA match. I'd like to see someone prove me wrong about my views on it.
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If you sparred with someone from a competition school you'd have yr. work cut out for you because they wouldn't know how to use their hands and they'd revert to their decorative ineffective kicks. However some forward-thinking tkd instructors, including mine, teach boxing, takedown defense,and detailed joint manipulation along with tkd, so I feel there are two distinctly different breeds of tkd practitioners evolving.


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If you sparred with someone from a competition school you'd have yr. work cut out for you because they wouldn't know how to use their hands and they'd revert to their decorative ineffective kicks. However some forward-thinking tkd instructors, including mine, teach boxing, takedown defense,and detailed joint manipulation along with tkd, so I feel there are two distinctly different breeds of tkd practitioners evolving.
Yeah I took TKD when I was like 6. I think mine was a McDojo TKD because all I learned was flashy kicks and pretty much useless hands combo's
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a good martial artist never argues that his style is better than someone else thats why I dont like gracie

they are both good neither has the upper hand they are just good in teaching different areas to help you develop as a fighter.
You really just said that Rickson Gracie isn't a good martial artist. I mean, I understand the "it's about the fighter, not the fighting style" mentality, but to say that the quality of a martial artist hinges on his humility is ridiculous.

I think TKD guys suck and here's why:

1) I've found them to be arrogant and cowardly, a combination that makes me want to just put a can opener on them.

2) As someone who's spent his entire life training for full contact competition, I find that anyone who thinks that point sparring is an adequate representation of a real fight (and that training for it has any impact on real combat skills) is seriously dilluted.

3) I've never met a TKD fighter that could take a knee to the face. That includes the handful of TKD blackbelts (of various degrees) that I've faced.

4) There's no clinch game, which makes it inadequate as a striking style. Perhaps even more so than boxing, where fighters are generally smart enough to figure out how to do damage with body punches.

5) As I've mentioned, I've fought a few serious TKD guys, and I have yet to meet one of them that could hurt me, despite the 30 seconds I usually spend standing with them. (this is probably as a result of #2)

Hopefully that wraps up my stance nicely.

Needless to say, I like Muay Thai. (San Shou is the best, though, WAR CUNG LE)



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You must never have seen taekwondo sparring then, totally different from point and similar to a "very technical street fight."

There's a reason I keep attempting to make a distinction between competition TKD and the way I learn it; the former would support all IronMan's claims. The latter does not. Idk if it's due to my teacher's military and boxing background in addition to being a 3rd dan black belt, but the way I have learned TKD has nothing to do with any of the stereotypes I've heard before on here.

I have said before that I have no illusions that Im going to beat the crap out of a BJJ or MT practitioner. It's pointless to debate the superiority of one art over another anyway; as an earlier post stated.


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You must never have seen taekwondo sparring then, totally different from point and similar to a "very technical street fight."

There's a reason I keep attempting to make a distinction between competition TKD and the way I learn it; the former would support all IronMan's claims. The latter does not. Idk if it's due to my teacher's military and boxing background in addition to being a 3rd dan black belt, but the way I have learned TKD has nothing to do with any of the stereotypes I've heard before on here.

I have said before that I have no illusions that Im going to beat the crap out of a BJJ or MT practitioner. It's pointless to debate the superiority of one art over another anyway; as an earlier post stated.
Perhaps you have a different instructor, but I've visited these guys gyms. They wear light pads and they snap kicks.

I would credit the military background more than I'd credit the TKD level, since two of the TKD blackbelts I have faced came out of a fourth Dan school. Still, that's beside the point.

You may not think that you can debate the superiority of one martial art to another, that's fine. I will say this, though, of all the Muay Thai guys I've worked with and both fought and coached against, alongside all of the TKD guys I've fought and coached against, I've come to the understanding that Muay Thai is a more comprehensive, more full-contact (and, thusly, street fight) practical striking style.

Again, I'm just drawing this out of my experience.

You may have a great instructor who teaches a very good, practical branch of TKD, but I have a hard time believing that he, or any of the other top TKD guys in the world, would last more than a minute in a streetfight with Melchor Menor, much less Rickson Gracie.

If you disagree with that, show me a TKD guy that you think can.



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I do have a great instructor and i think I already said that I had no illusions about going head-to-head with a BJJ or MT practitioner. I should expand on that statement by saying that I don't know anyone who would revert to competition-type TKD moves in a street fight. I can assure you that the self-defense and tkd sparring that we do would serve us well in a street fight. I'm also pretty sure that there's nobody around here who has Rickson Gracie skills.


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I do have a great instructor and i think I already said that I had no illusions about going head-to-head with a BJJ or MT practitioner. I should expand on that statement by saying that I don't know anyone who would revert to competition-type TKD moves in a street fight. I can assure you that the self-defense and tkd sparring that we do would serve us well in a street fight. I'm also pretty sure that there's nobody around here who has Rickson Gracie skills.
Oh. I wasn't just talking about around here. I was speaking about generally, the entire world of TKD.

Glad to see that you're not nuts and I'm sorry if I offended you. Like I said, you're instructor is probably a great fighter and a great instructor, but I don't find Muay Thai particularly combat-valuable.



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