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Old 04-12-2008, 12:37 PM   #151 (permalink)
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I thought ed herman might have had a tkd background? Anyway if he did there would be slightly better representation of TKD than Danny Abbadi in the MMA world.

My teacher has us do a kicking drill called "lightning" (it complements a stance exercise called earth and a punching/blocking drill called thunder) and the drill alternates speed and power, ie u go through the basic kicking drill where one sequence of kicks is for speed and one is for power, then it goes to turn kicks, then double kicks, then jump kicks. This type of drill is not taught in other tkd schools as far as I know, the ultimate purpose being to integrate speed and power. If any fighter has practiced an art that has made them strong, fast and explosive and can translate that into any other arts required for MMA or other training useful for the street, the usual counters to whatever move are pointless, because you won't know what's coming and possibly wouldn't see it anyway.

TKD is a relatively new art in the U.S. and still evolving. Although my school is small, I think it is the shape of things to come in TKD, putting more of an emphasis on power and effectiveness of the move and concurrently teaching boxing and (for higher ranks than me the lowly green belt) some grappling.
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Old 04-12-2008, 02:09 PM   #152 (permalink)
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right! and another thing the tkd fighters are telling me is that the philosophy is to attack with out control this makes the attack much more vicious as well as harder to predict where blow will end at. for any doubts I encourage to go to your local tkd school where you'll be surprised.

by the way top boxers do not torque their hips when punching. that is known as telegraphing. the same way can be said when throwing a kick you had better have a fast kick when torquing the kick or you 'll be opened to the straight right punch. their is method to tkd madness.
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Old 04-12-2008, 02:25 PM   #153 (permalink)
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by the way top boxers do not torque their hips when punching. that is known as telegraphing. the same way can be said when throwing a kick you had better have a fast kick when torquing the kick or you 'll be opened to the straight right punch. their is method to tkd madness.
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Old 04-12-2008, 02:33 PM   #154 (permalink)
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mike tyson was the man I had in mind when I penned this blog. under teddy atlas, kevin rooney and gus d'amato tyson was taught to fire from his triceps this made his punches faster and voluminous. tyson beat you with his speed. had torqued his hips he'd have been that much slower. I was taught not worry about power just to worry about getting hit.

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Old 04-12-2008, 02:35 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Watch Tyson when he slips a punch and goes to the body, all he does is torque his hips into the punch.
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no he's power is being generated from his ankles coming up through his calves and hamstrings, had he turned his hip into it he'd be opened to the uppercut.

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I can tell you one thing, the TKD kicks and punches I learned and eventually taught depend on explosive hip rotation. There's a linkage of movement that begins in the stationary foot and ends at the delivering hand/foot. This chain of motion is also the most difficult aspect of TKD to get right, which is why there's no shortage of TKD practitiioners making the techniques look bad. Not to mention, most of those that would make the techniques look as good as they are have too much traditionalist pride to fight/train in MMA. That has changed a lot in the past few years, though, as more and more TKD schools are adding MMA programs.

A well-rounded MMArtist with TKD technique, speed, timing and fighting intelligence is hard to beat. A TKD practitioner who has little experience outside of WTF or ITF (especially ) rules sparring will likely get destroyed when he leaves those rules behind.

A properly timed axe kick will easily break a collar or cheek bone or lead to a KO. A poorly timed one can lead to bad news for the guy throwing it. A turning back side/hook kick used to counter an opponent's attack can be devastating. Leading with it leaves you incredibly vulnerable. A lead side kick with proper hip rotation can break a rib and prevent a puncher from ever setting his feet. Without the hip rotation, the guy getting kicked can literally knock the kicker down just by standing his ground. Failure to properly chamber and retract any of these kicks properly is asking to be taken down.

With TKD, it's not the techniques that fail, it's the people trying to use them. Of course, that's true of any combat style that survives any length of time. The key is to find the style that fits your personality and body and make that your base. Mine is definitely TKD.
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You maybe the only person I have ever heard say that Tyson didn't torque his hips. What you are saying is that all Tyson threw was arm punches.
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why do you think that tkd is the world's most practised ma?

the answer is because the average person does not have the fast twitch muscle fiber needed for mt. this is why you'll see the kick coming a mile away before it even lands. obviously this wouldn't be so against a world champion but against the average person yes.
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I respect TKD, but I have no problem saying that Muay Thai is a better martial art. In my opinion at least.

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