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post #161 of 275 (permalink) Old 05-15-2008, 10:04 PM
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Thank you for being the first person in this thread to say in so many words that they respect TKD rather than expressing the knee-jerk response (prevalent in this forum imo) that anything other than MT, JJ, BJJ, JKD, judo or similar is wussy.

Clearly I'm going to have to keep saying that not all of us live in an area where MT etc. is even available.


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Thank you for being the first person in this thread to say in so many words that they respect TKD rather than expressing the knee-jerk response (prevalent in this forum imo) that anything other than MT, JJ, BJJ, JKD, judo or similar is wussy.

Clearly I'm going to have to keep saying that not all of us live in an area where MT etc. is even available.
You live in New York, how is it not? Do you live Upstate?
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right! and another thing the tkd fighters are telling me is that the philosophy is to attack with out control this makes the attack much more vicious as well as harder to predict where blow will end at. for any doubts I encourage to go to your local tkd school where you'll be surprised.
That may be true, but I've fought, like I said, a half dozen TKD guys. None of them has ever hurt me.

They might be aggressive, but from my personal experience they work more with speed than with power, and I'm not impressed by that. If you're a striker who can't hurt me, you're in serious trouble.

There might be TKD guys that hit hard, but I've never encountered ones, and I've had plenty of Muay Thai and boxing guys sting me pretty good. A few have even put me out in training.

I've watched the guys at TKD schools train, and they yell alot, but that's not what aggression is.

I'm not going to put down the art as far as its ability to teach disciple, but I will say that, as a fighting style, I've found it less than dangerous. Maybe that's because of the guys I've fought, maybe that's because of the quality of training in my area (though I doubt that, because I live in what of the best areas in the states to train).

Still, I'm not going to say that the guys aren't aggressive. I will say that they, thus far, have not impressed me with their power.


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by the way top boxers do not torque their hips when punching. that is known as telegraphing. the same way can be said when throwing a kick you had better have a fast kick when torquing the kick or you 'll be opened to the straight right punch. their is method to tkd madness.
That statement is just wrong.

Watch Mayweather throw his check hook. Watch Tyson throw his hooks and his uppercuts.

Actually, just watch any punch Tyson or Ali or any other top tier boxer has thrown, ever. They use hip movements in their punches. They drop their hips into their jabs and turn their hips into their hooks and their upper cuts.

To say that, for some reason, they don't strike with their hips is absurd. They also strike from their legs.

Watch this Tyson highlight, and tell me again that he's not moving his hips.



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Indeed I do live in beautiful upstate NY, in a town of about 40,000 ppl and that's stretching it a little by including some of the surrounding areas. Our options here, apart from TKD, are a) sport karate at an obnoxious cobra-kai type school which is also expensive enough to nearly price itself out of the local market, gojuryu karate, and years ago, kune tao but then the instructor had a kidney transplant and never went back to teaching. The sport karate school supposedly has one or two ppl who "will teach" judo and MT but that does not make them nearly qualified enough imo.

Finally the owner of the sport karate school, when asked if anyone teaches tkd locally, lies and says no b/c he's bitter that although he's beaten my teacher sparring 2x or so over the years, my teacher has owned him many times more. nice rei cobra kai guy!!!


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I was going to say because if you lived in the inner city, The Wat is a great Thai Boxing School.

I have a friend who lives in Elmira do you live anywhere near there or completely different locale?
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we live about 2 1/2 hrs away
Seriously there is nothing here, relatively speaking. I can't go to Buffalo for example ( nearest major city) b/c it wouldn't leave me enough time with the husband and kids not to mention the gas $$$$$$.

That was one of the reasons I started watching TUF, I would sit there and be in awe of their beautiful training facilities.


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we live about 2 1/2 hrs away
Seriously there is nothing here, relatively speaking. I can't go to Buffalo for example ( nearest major city) b/c it wouldn't leave me enough time with the husband and kids not to mention the gas $$$$$$.

That was one of the reasons I started watching TUF, I would sit there and be in awe of their beautiful training facilities.
That sucks. At least you have somewhere to train
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"To say that, for some reason, they don't strike with their hips is absurd. They also strike from their legs.

Watch this Tyson highlight, and tell me again that he's not moving his hips." Mike tyson is merely moving with the punches look at him punching the bag with the bulk of his fast punches coming via the triceps, try punching a bag while torking your hips a see for yourself how much speed you get.
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You can generate spped and power when you torque your hips. When you torque your hips and rotate your body faster than your arm you have a jerking motion that creates even more speed. When you torque your hips this is not a tell like you said. Cocking your hand is a tell, torquing your hips is not. You are right in that Tyson uses his legs, you are wrong in that he did torque his hips. There is no way you can watch Mayweather's check hook and tell me that he doesn't use his hips.
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1st of all I said that tyson hip movement is a result of him moving with the punch and because he purposely torquing them. 2nd I never telegraph with your hands. lastly there is a truism in boxing and that is if you have to rely on power to win a match you've already lost the fight. Tyson's power comes from his forearms and triceps just look at them. as for Mayweather speed kills because it is power.
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