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post #201 of 275 (permalink) Old 05-20-2008, 07:40 AM
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Yea that makes sense trying to catch a guy would tire you out, but if you didn't chase a guy wouldn't he lose points for not engaging you? But it seems everyone is just talking about the mainstay of power for a punch generating from your hips. I agree a bit comes from your arms. Bruce Lee worked out his forearms an amazing amount because he thought it made his punches stronger (from a Muscle and Fitness article) but I think you would be hard pressed to find good supporting evidence to prove that power (KO power that is) comes from your arms. I am with you that little nat like annoying punches you use when a guy is not actively trying to exchange with you don't come from your hips but I don't think thats what people are talking about. Oh, thats pretty tight you used to a be a game boxer man, congrats!

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I never said power from the arms is more stronger than from the hips obviously that is not so. what I am saying is that most fighters use that as a finishing move on a guy that is tired out. from what I've read and maybe I read wrong but many people think its game to just wing it off the bat and this is where I am saying not. boxing is a game for those who have incredible power and speed and I didn't have that so therefore I was not a champ. As far a point deduction goes there is an old rule that points shall be awarded to the aggressor that however changed with Larry holmes,John Ruiz, Roy Jones. who game consisted of throwing 1 to 2 punches and then going into the clinch in boxing its called clunches and bunches. boxing is not any more a real indicator of superiority. and no they don't take away points for to much holding or lack of action, go not throwing the lead right hand.

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Yea but this aint a boxing forum its MMA, most fighters have good boxing skills blended with other skills to complete the package in order to compete at a higher level, did you check out the video I posted? Look at it, then look at the punch that knocked Chuck Liddell down in their second fight. Thats mma, not boxing, in boxing most mma fighters would lose, in mma boxers would lose- thats not really and argument. Hence different styles.

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I think that probable true and that is boxing wouldn't work in the mma because of the rules, thats a valid point.
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post #205 of 275 (permalink) Old 08-03-2008, 01:15 AM
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I'm having an arguement with a guy on youtube who thinks Muay Thai sucks compared to tae kwon do. I think that the simple lack of protecting your face in TKD says it all. Tell me what you think is better
what!!!!!! tell that guy to suck ass. Thai boxing would beat the shit out of tkd...i mean dont get me wrong there a lot of kick ass tkd practioners out there but in a general sense muay thai was designed to pummel the opponent with one kick while in tkd they focus more on how high or how fancy or how much they can kick, it's total bull
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what!!!!!! tell that guy to suck ass. Thai boxing would beat the shit out of tkd...i mean dont get me wrong there a lot of kick ass tkd practioners out there but in a general sense muay thai was designed to pummel the opponent with one kick while in tkd they focus more on how high or how fancy or how much they can kick, it's total bull
You must be either 15y old or just plain retarded.

No martial art is better than another, it all comes down to the fighter himself. I trained TKD for 10years and now I train Muay Thai + Boxing and I would step into the ring with any Muay Thai fighter out there. With MT you learn how to hit harder and use elbows and knees while in TKD you learn how to read the opponent and take advantage of every situation.

When I signed up for MT, I told them I trained TKD for 10years so they would put me with advanced fighters and not beginners and my first day was sparring with them and let me tell you about priceless expressions on their faces when they saw me fight because obviously they were underestimating the power of "fancy kicks" and "beauty punches" just like you.

I like both TKD and MT but believe me when I tell you TKD is one of the few martial arts that teach you true explosiveness and speed in the ring. TKD is an art and not a sport so KOs and kicks below the waist are not allowed therefore you don't learn that in TKD while in MT that's exactly what you learn.

So if you want to pummel someone why don't you learn how to hit people with chairs and throw garbage cans at them. You might want to stab someone too. Yeah, that's real hardcore kick-ass brutal style.

Stupid noobs and kids, stop fighting over something you can't win and stop comparing pears and apples and show some sport spirit. Be a fighter, don't be a douchebag.
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I have a feeling that what I'm about to say is beating on a dead horse since I only read a quarter of this huge thread.

There are situations in fights that call for Muay Thai, and there are also situations that call for a speedy TKD snap kick. Five years after quitting TKD, I can say that I'm glad I learned the art. It built a great foundation that I could build from and gave me dynamic leg flexibility that bleeds into other arts. There are a few useful weapons I took away from that art that only add to my arsenal.

When sparring, whether it's limited or full contact, I find appropriate situations for a few TKD skills: a quick high front snap kick is a very simple but useful tool and is quite damaging. The jumping double front snap kick can throw people off balance, and has some knockout potential (doesn't Anderson Silva actually use this from time to time?).

Everybody knows about the back-spinning kick; this move can be likened to planting a bomb. If you don't know what you're doing, you're going to get yourself killed (knocked out). Then there's the hook kick; you need great footwork and tremendous speed to use this and when applied appropriately while side stepping, the hook kick can actually do some damage as it may also confuse your opponent. In my opinion, speed is the most utmost important thing for a TKD student... if you're going into a fight with just TKD kicks and average kicking speed, you're going to get knocked out real fast.

When it comes down to it, I ultimately feel that Muay Thai is the superior art in terms of overall effectiveness. Yes, yes, it's all up to the practitioner, but from my experience, Muay Thai gives you a ton more efficient weapons to add to your arsenal when it comes time for a real fight.

Lastly, I know what everyone is talking about in this thread; the arrogant TKD X-degree black belts who are completely ignorant to the effectiveness of other particular styles. Unfortunately, they've helped give TKD a bad name.

I did tae kwon do for almost five years, obtaining a first degree black belt and a box full of gold medals from competitions. I was lucky enough to train under a great master and my Dad trained under the same guy 20 years earlier. He was very open-minded when I continually questioned him about other martial arts and how to combat them, and he wasn't afraid to tell me which kicks are bullshit in combat, and the few that actually have practical uses. In short, he was able to distinguish between competition and combat and that is what made him stick out from the McDojos that litter my city. In a perfect world, everyone could find a master like this in whichever art they pursue.

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I have a feeling that what I'm about to say is beating on a dead horse since I only read a quarter of this huge thread.

There are situations in fights that call for Muay Thai, and there are also situations that call for a speedy TKD snap kick. Five years after quitting TKD, I can say that I'm glad I learned the art. It built a great foundation that I could build from and gave me dynamic leg flexibility that bleeds into other arts. There are a few useful weapons I took away from that art that only add to my arsenal.

When sparring, whether it's limited or full contact, I find appropriate situations for a few TKD skills: a quick high front snap kick is a very simple but useful tool and is quite damaging. The jumping double front snap kick can throw people off balance, and has some knockout potential (doesn't Anderson Silva actually use this from time to time?).

Everybody knows about the back-spinning kick; this move can be likened to planting a bomb. If you don't know what you're doing, you're going to get yourself killed (knocked out). Then there's the hook kick; you need great footwork and tremendous speed to use this and when applied appropriately while side stepping, the hook kick can actually do some damage as it may also confuse your opponent. In my opinion, speed is the most utmost important thing for a TKD student... if you're going into a fight with just TKD kicks and average kicking speed, you're going to get knocked out real fast.

When it comes down to it, I ultimately feel that Muay Thai is the superior art in terms of overall effectiveness. Yes, yes, it's all up to the practitioner, but from my experience, Muay Thai gives you a ton more efficient weapons to add to your arsenal when it comes time for a real fight.

Lastly, I know what everyone is talking about in this thread; the arrogant TKD X-degree black belts who are completely ignorant to the effectiveness of other particular styles. Unfortunately, they've helped give TKD a bad name.

I did tae kwon do for almost five years, obtaining a first degree black belt and a box full of gold medals from competitions. I was lucky enough to train under a great master and my Dad trained under the same guy 20 years earlier. He was very open-minded when I continually questioned him about other martial arts and how to combat them, and he wasn't afraid to tell me which kicks are bullshit in combat, and the few that actually have practical uses. In short, he was able to distinguish between competition and combat and that is what made him stick out from the McDojos that litter my city. In a perfect world, everyone could find a master like this in whichever art they pursue.
I'm very glad to see someone say they are glad they took TKD. My teacher draws these distinctions also.


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I take both and to be honest thai is a lot more funnier to learn but on the other hand there are over 3000 techniques in tdk compared to thai. For a non black belt thai will win over tdk but if u take time to learn all these tdk techniques u will dominated muay thai. There is a clinch in tdk and u can do some effect moves from and to get out of clinch. U guys gotta understand all these moves in muay thai are tdk moves also. But ur limited in tdk rules in terms of fighting. But in street fighting tdk is deadly. TO sum it all up i would take tdk over thai that's just my opinion but u can never say one discipline is better than the other cause each person is unique.
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