I'm having an arguement with a guy on youtube who thinks Muay Thai sucks compared to tae kwon do. I think that the simple lack of protecting your face in TKD says it all. Tell me what you think is better
well that guy is a fuckin' idiot ask him if he's ever seen ramon dekkers fight. tkd, please.. nobody is gonna brinng that into mma and win. now some good muay thai fighters have been known to fair well in mma, anderson silva, wanderlei silva, granted they know bjj also but their background is muay thai.southpaw447 said:I'm having an arguement with a guy on youtube who thinks Muay Thai sucks compared to tae kwon do. I think that the simple lack of protecting your face in TKD says it all. Tell me what you think is better
Did actually read your way through this topic or check out the first post then throw in your own opinion? Can you give some reasons why you believe that TKD can never be used in MMA? Personally, I've practiced TKD for a while before my endeavors as a Mixed Martial Artist, and I believe I could debate what you have to say. The same goes to you, Super Fudge. Rather than just stating your opinion, let's hear some reasons.taadland said:well that guy is a fuckin' idiot ask him if he's ever seen ramon dekkers fight. tkd, please.. nobody is gonna brinng that into mma and win. now some good muay thai fighters have been known to fair well in mma, anderson silva, wanderlei silva, granted they know bjj also but their background is muay thai.
Onganju said:Thank you for returning what was becoming an intelligent and well thought discussion into a blanketed cliche'.
no actually i didn't read any of the other posts, just the topic..and all i have is one reason...HAVE YOU EVER SEEN RAMON DEKKERS FIGHTS? come on man. plus the question was TKD or Muay Thai, it's just a throw in that TKD won't work in MMA. what's your reasons that it can be used cause i've got to believe you're one of the very very few that actually believe that bullshit. and name one fighter in mma that states their fighting style as TKD, they would be the laughed at and humiliated. and you list your fav. fighter as anderson silva, a muay thai fighter so i would beleive you're just tryin' to spark more intellegence from me, and all i gotta say again is RAMON DEKKERS.Kin said:Did actually read your way through this topic or check out the first post then throw in your own opinion? Can you give some reasons why you believe that TKD can never be used in MMA? Personally, I've practiced TKD for a while before my endeavors as a Mixed Martial Artist, and I believe I could debate what you have to say. The same goes to you, Super Fudge. Rather than just stating your opinion, let's hear some reasons.
i will argee that TKD is less effective than muay thai in an MMA fight but to say that it is useless altogther just shows your ignorance i believe muay thai is more effective than boxing in MMA as well but does that make boxing a sport suitable only for little girls?Super Fudge said:Is this debate really happening? Are there really people in this world foolish enough to believe that TKD is even in the same league of effectiveness as MT?
Somebody posted earlier that TKD was for pre-teen girls who's parents wouldn't let them take anything where they could get hurt and I couldn't agree more. TKD in a real fight is laughably ineffective, along with most of the traditional martial arts. I'm not saying they dont have their place but combat sports and street fights are definitely not it.
It's not in the same league. it's true that traditional martial arts would not be much help to you on the street. however when taught along with boxing and ground fighting techniques, it can be. Suggesting that it's for preteen girls who don't want to get hurt is bullshit. Any sport where you can get punched or kicked in the head, you can get hurt.Super Fudge said:Is this debate really happening? Are there really people in this world foolish enough to believe that TKD is even in the same league of effectiveness as MT?
Somebody posted earlier that TKD was for pre-teen girls who's parents wouldn't let them take anything where they could get hurt and I couldn't agree more. TKD in a real fight is laughably ineffective, along with most of the traditional martial arts. I'm not saying they dont have their place but combat sports and street fights are definitely not it.
agreedaznmaniac0909 said:i will argee that TKD is less effective than muay thai in an MMA fight but to say that it is useless altogther just shows your ignorance i believe muay thai is more effective than boxing in MMA as well but does that make boxing a sport suitable only for little girls?
there are many kicks in tkd that can be applied in mma as a whole it is not as effective but then again neither is boxing or muay thai its about the whole package
Well, I don't care if you throw names around. It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm asking you for technical reasons for why you believe that it can't work. And keep in mind that, just because something hasn't worked as of late, doesn't mean that it never can. I want to hear specific reasons, because I'm an actual practitioner of martial arts. And as such, I like to discuss the techniques. If I was talking about *****, and someone says "it's good 'cause...well look at Fedor!!!" ... Well, while I do agree that he uses it very well, that isn't enough for me.taadland said:no actually i didn't read any of the other posts, just the topic..and all i have is one reason...HAVE YOU EVER SEEN RAMON DEKKERS FIGHTS? come on man. plus the question was TKD or Muay Thai, it's just a throw in that TKD won't work in MMA. what's your reasons that it can be used cause i've got to believe you're one of the very very few that actually believe that bullshit. and name one fighter in mma that states their fighting style as TKD, they would be the laughed at and humiliated. and you list your fav. fighter as anderson silva, a muay thai fighter so i would beleive you're just tryin' to spark more intellegence from me, and all i gotta say again is RAMON DEKKERS.
MT also has utilizes elbows and knees(don't have to be in clinch to use all knees)and their amazingly strong kicks. I'm sure TKD has some good ones too but MT kicks are just so dang strong and powerful. Yeah, their conditioning is off the chart. It's killing me trying to keep up with some of those guys. AND they're in their mid 40's. Damn, I hate admitting that.Kin said:Well, I don't care if you throw names around. It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm asking you for technical reasons for why you believe that it can't work. And keep in mind that, just because something hasn't worked as of late, doesn't mean that it never can. I want to hear specific reasons, because I'm an actual practitioner of martial arts. And as such, I like to discuss the techniques. If I was talking about *****, and someone says "it's good 'cause...well look at Fedor!!!" ... Well, while I do agree that he uses it very well, that isn't enough for me.
Anyway, I wouldn't argue that TKD is more effective than Muay Thai simply because it doesn't practice clinch fighting. If not for that, I don't believe that a good TKD fighter would be utterly screwed against a Muay Thai practitioner. Well...that and conditioning. But again, I ask that you supply legitimate reasons. In fact, I challenge you to respond without saying the name 'Ramon Dekker.'
TheNegation said:Not even worth debating.
How many mma fighters use TKD, compared to muay thai?
Theres your answer.
As it is, the purist contests of "style vs style" don't exist anymore. In that regards, you cannot prove that any style works in MMA "as a whole." I also don't see how anyone can say a powerfully thrown kick isn't effective.TheNegation said:But you can't prove TKD works in MMA as a style, as awhole, because it hasn't.
Edit: And it does have more to do with the way you train than the art you train in.
It's not in its infancy? You'll have to enlighten me on that one. I'll refrain from certain commentary until I'm clear on what you mean by that.TheNegation said:No, mma is not in it's infancy. It didn't start with UFC.
TKD has had half a century to prove itself and has largely failed to do so.
I did TKD for two years. As a fighting style, it is innaffective. If it was useful in MMA, it would be used, but it isn't. Try me, I love a good debate, and I have trained in both Muay thai and TKD.
But you can't prove TKD works in MMA as a style, as awhole, because it hasn't.
Edit: And it does have more to do with the way you train than the art you train in.
It's true that no holds barred fighting has been around for a while, but I'd find it hard to argue that it hasn't grown leaps and bounds since the arrival of modern day MMA. No one from the olden days of vale tudo could compare with the athletes of today, simply because everyone is so much more well rounded.TheNegation said:Well, MMA the sport, the fighting style, which is now what we see when we tune into 'Mixed Martial Arts' competitions
has come about in the recently, but the concept of no holds barred fighting, vale tudo matches etc. are not.
So MMA the fighting style is in it's infancy, but thats not what I was talking about, which couldhavebeen confusing.
I mean when TKD was tested against other martial arts in these competitions it did poorly. As a striking art, well it is miles behind Muay thai.
And what six effective techniques from TKD? So take three different punches, three different kicks from TKD, walk into a match and then put your opponent in an armbar, are you gonna say ''My victory is down to my TKD training!'
Well, what was the point of styles in the first place?
They weren't excluding techniques for a laugh, they did it because they thought other techniques were inneffective.
Styles are methodsof fighting, some have provenmore effective in actual combatthan others, and TKD is not one.
Well, at least I'm not some forum warrior hangin from Ramon Dekkers nutsack, who drops a name and pretends it's an arguement. :sarcastic12:taadland said:kins a bitch.. yep i said it.
You say that its a waste of time to only take away certain techniques from a style. I'd disagree. From most styles, there are adjustments that must be made regardless. In the world of mix martial arts, sifting through techniques is exactly what you do. Every style is modified to fit the cage, and every style has aspects that doesn't work in an MMA environment so it is removed.TheNegation said:No. Thats all I have to say to your arguement. You cannot take six techniques from a certain style and say you are practising that style.
TKD is more than six techniques. Its a way of fighting, of throwing punches and kicks, blocking punches and kicks and evading punches and kisks, and it is an ineffective way, as proven by most people who stepped into competitions with it.
A more effective fighting art is Muay Thai.
''TKD practitioners in general tend to utilize their techniques poorly'' TKD in general has poor techniques.
You don't put time and effort to train in a certain style only to take a acouple punches and kicks from it, thatwould be a complete waste of time.
''MT IZ A JOKE Y DO U LZRS DO MOO TAI WIT ITZ FLIPPY KICKZ?"
TKD didn't evolveinto having flippy kicks, it always had them.
I will concede to that point. Though, personally, I credit every style that I've practiced -- as it has done something for me. This is also because I feel like I use what I've learned in different styles in equal frequency. I use footwork and striking from TKD and boxing as I use judo and kickboxing for clinch work, and judo + submission wrestling on the ground.TheNegation said:Thats not what I mean. Take mefor example. Ihavehad boxing classes. I can box, and do, in fights.
But I wouldnever call myselfaboxer, cos I train primarily in submission wrestling and muay thai. I did boxing to improve my boxing, but jus cos I throw punches doesn't make me a boxer.
Just as taking a couple techniques from TKD and using other styles when you fight more often than your TKD arsenal means you are not representing TKD.