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Old 06-08-2007, 04:13 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Is this debate really happening? Are there really people in this world foolish enough to believe that TKD is even in the same league of effectiveness as MT?

Somebody posted earlier that TKD was for pre-teen girls who's parents wouldn't let them take anything where they could get hurt and I couldn't agree more. TKD in a real fight is laughably ineffective, along with most of the traditional martial arts. I'm not saying they dont have their place but combat sports and street fights are definitely not it.
Thank you for returning what was becoming an intelligent and well thought discussion into a blanketed cliche'.
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:19 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I'm having an arguement with a guy on youtube who thinks Muay Thai sucks compared to tae kwon do. I think that the simple lack of protecting your face in TKD says it all. Tell me what you think is better
well that guy is a ****in' idiot ask him if he's ever seen ramon dekkers fight. tkd, please.. nobody is gonna brinng that into mma and win. now some good muay thai fighters have been known to fair well in mma, anderson silva, wanderlei silva, granted they know bjj also but their background is muay thai.
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Old 06-09-2007, 03:36 AM   #53 (permalink)
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well that guy is a ****in' idiot ask him if he's ever seen ramon dekkers fight. tkd, please.. nobody is gonna brinng that into mma and win. now some good muay thai fighters have been known to fair well in mma, anderson silva, wanderlei silva, granted they know bjj also but their background is muay thai.
Did actually read your way through this topic or check out the first post then throw in your own opinion? Can you give some reasons why you believe that TKD can never be used in MMA? Personally, I've practiced TKD for a while before my endeavors as a Mixed Martial Artist, and I believe I could debate what you have to say. The same goes to you, Super Fudge. Rather than just stating your opinion, let's hear some reasons.
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Old 06-09-2007, 06:32 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Thank you for returning what was becoming an intelligent and well thought discussion into a blanketed cliche'.

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Old 06-09-2007, 07:02 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Did actually read your way through this topic or check out the first post then throw in your own opinion? Can you give some reasons why you believe that TKD can never be used in MMA? Personally, I've practiced TKD for a while before my endeavors as a Mixed Martial Artist, and I believe I could debate what you have to say. The same goes to you, Super Fudge. Rather than just stating your opinion, let's hear some reasons.
no actually i didn't read any of the other posts, just the topic..and all i have is one reason...HAVE YOU EVER SEEN RAMON DEKKERS FIGHTS? come on man. plus the question was TKD or Muay Thai, it's just a throw in that TKD won't work in MMA. what's your reasons that it can be used cause i've got to believe you're one of the very very few that actually believe that bullshit. and name one fighter in mma that states their fighting style as TKD, they would be the laughed at and humiliated. and you list your fav. fighter as anderson silva, a muay thai fighter so i would beleive you're just tryin' to spark more intellegence from me, and all i gotta say again is RAMON DEKKERS.

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Old 06-09-2007, 07:14 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Is this debate really happening? Are there really people in this world foolish enough to believe that TKD is even in the same league of effectiveness as MT?

Somebody posted earlier that TKD was for pre-teen girls who's parents wouldn't let them take anything where they could get hurt and I couldn't agree more. TKD in a real fight is laughably ineffective, along with most of the traditional martial arts. I'm not saying they dont have their place but combat sports and street fights are definitely not it.
i will argee that TKD is less effective than muay thai in an MMA fight but to say that it is useless altogther just shows your ignorance i believe muay thai is more effective than boxing in MMA as well but does that make boxing a sport suitable only for little girls?

there are many kicks in tkd that can be applied in mma as a whole it is not as effective but then again neither is boxing or muay thai its about the whole package
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Is this debate really happening? Are there really people in this world foolish enough to believe that TKD is even in the same league of effectiveness as MT?

Somebody posted earlier that TKD was for pre-teen girls who's parents wouldn't let them take anything where they could get hurt and I couldn't agree more. TKD in a real fight is laughably ineffective, along with most of the traditional martial arts. I'm not saying they dont have their place but combat sports and street fights are definitely not it.
It's not in the same league. it's true that traditional martial arts would not be much help to you on the street. however when taught along with boxing and ground fighting techniques, it can be. Suggesting that it's for preteen girls who don't want to get hurt is bullshit. Any sport where you can get punched or kicked in the head, you can get hurt.
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i will argee that TKD is less effective than muay thai in an MMA fight but to say that it is useless altogther just shows your ignorance i believe muay thai is more effective than boxing in MMA as well but does that make boxing a sport suitable only for little girls?

there are many kicks in tkd that can be applied in mma as a whole it is not as effective but then again neither is boxing or muay thai its about the whole package
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Old 06-10-2007, 03:07 AM   #59 (permalink)
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no actually i didn't read any of the other posts, just the topic..and all i have is one reason...HAVE YOU EVER SEEN RAMON DEKKERS FIGHTS? come on man. plus the question was TKD or Muay Thai, it's just a throw in that TKD won't work in MMA. what's your reasons that it can be used cause i've got to believe you're one of the very very few that actually believe that bullshit. and name one fighter in mma that states their fighting style as TKD, they would be the laughed at and humiliated. and you list your fav. fighter as anderson silva, a muay thai fighter so i would beleive you're just tryin' to spark more intellegence from me, and all i gotta say again is RAMON DEKKERS.
Well, I don't care if you throw names around. It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm asking you for technical reasons for why you believe that it can't work. And keep in mind that, just because something hasn't worked as of late, doesn't mean that it never can. I want to hear specific reasons, because I'm an actual practitioner of martial arts. And as such, I like to discuss the techniques. If I was talking about sambo, and someone says "it's good 'cause...well look at Fedor!!!" ... Well, while I do agree that he uses it very well, that isn't enough for me.

Anyway, I wouldn't argue that TKD is more effective than Muay Thai simply because it doesn't practice clinch fighting. If not for that, I don't believe that a good TKD fighter would be utterly screwed against a Muay Thai practitioner. Well...that and conditioning. But again, I ask that you supply legitimate reasons. In fact, I challenge you to respond without saying the name 'Ramon Dekker.'
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Well, I don't care if you throw names around. It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm asking you for technical reasons for why you believe that it can't work. And keep in mind that, just because something hasn't worked as of late, doesn't mean that it never can. I want to hear specific reasons, because I'm an actual practitioner of martial arts. And as such, I like to discuss the techniques. If I was talking about sambo, and someone says "it's good 'cause...well look at Fedor!!!" ... Well, while I do agree that he uses it very well, that isn't enough for me.

Anyway, I wouldn't argue that TKD is more effective than Muay Thai simply because it doesn't practice clinch fighting. If not for that, I don't believe that a good TKD fighter would be utterly screwed against a Muay Thai practitioner. Well...that and conditioning. But again, I ask that you supply legitimate reasons. In fact, I challenge you to respond without saying the name 'Ramon Dekker.'
MT also has utilizes elbows and knees(don't have to be in clinch to use all knees)and their amazingly strong kicks. I'm sure TKD has some good ones too but MT kicks are just so dang strong and powerful. Yeah, their conditioning is off the chart. It's killing me trying to keep up with some of those guys. AND they're in their mid 40's. Damn, I hate admitting that.
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