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post #81 of 275 (permalink) Old 06-14-2007, 12:39 AM
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It's unimportant to me whether TKD would be effective in mma or a street fight. I do it for the conditioning, which is excellent, and the speed, balance and agility I mentioned before. someone said it's all in how you train, which I agree with wholeheartedly.

Having said that, i would take judo before muay thai if I had the opportunity to take an aggression-based as opposed to a self-defense art. because in judo you learn techniques that can circumvent if yr. a lot smaller than your opponent. all my sparring partners are 4-6 inches taller than me with a vastly longer reach, longer legs and heavy hands, and getting hit by them is a useful dose of what i might (hopefully not) experience in the real world.
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It's unimportant to me whether TKD would be effective in mma or a street fight. I do it for the conditioning, which is excellent, and the speed, balance and agility I mentioned before. someone said it's all in how you train, which I agree with wholeheartedly.
So why not do a martial art that is effective and condition yourself at home?
In all my experience of martial arts, the only training that pushed me as far as conditioning went was boxing, and first thing I had to do when walking in there for what I thought webe some easy training was 200 press ups, never mind the cardio workout. I don't mean to badmouth your TKD training or anything, but when I was doing it the conditioning was piss, less difficult even than the kickboxing place I went to.
I am doing thai boxing now, twice a week, and the only people who find it difficult are the people I know do not train outside of the few times they goduring the week.
You do not need to pay a TKD instructor to have good coonditioning...
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What if that's the only thing around? What if a person likes doing that more than running around the block or lifting weights? Some places actually give their students training of worth, and (gasp) are not "McDojos". Does it still behoove the modern MMA-ites a grain of validity outside of preening their own elitist attitude by telling someone not to take up art "A" over art "B"?

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What I like about tkd Is what are called forums. wich are a string of movements put together.

Tae Kwon Do Forms

This creates mussel memory.

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What I like about tkd Is what are called forums. wich are a string of movements put together.

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Muay Thai does the same thing! cept MT calls 'em drills.

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So why not do a martial art that is effective and condition yourself at home?
In all my experience of martial arts, the only training that pushed me as far as conditioning went was boxing, and first thing I had to do when walking in there for what I thought webe some easy training was 200 press ups, never mind the cardio workout. I don't mean to badmouth your TKD training or anything, but when I was doing it the conditioning was piss, less difficult even than the kickboxing place I went to.
I am doing thai boxing now, twice a week, and the only people who find it difficult are the people I know do not train outside of the few times they goduring the week.
You do not need to pay a TKD instructor to have good coonditioning...
I don't pay my instructor for conditioning, I do it on my own 5x a week at my local Y, high intensity on various cardio machines, except the treadmill b/c my ankle break isn't completely healed yet. he requires it in one of the two classes i take per week. normally i would be running 4-5 miles a day 5 days a week. you need to understand that i live in a small city where there isn't any muay thai, bjj, kune tao, jkd or whatever instruction available, and i have no interest in sport karate. Whether or not a martial art is effective in the general sense is a matter of opinion.
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What I like about tkd Is what are called forums. wich are a string of movements put together.

Tae Kwon Do Forms

This creates mussel memory.
forms are useful for creating muscle memory, it's true, but i am so f***ing sick of being tested on 3-4 of them every time i go up for rank. for green belt i have to know a f***ing 29-move black belt form (hwa-rang) plus a tae geuk form PLUS a creative form and i hate making up forms, for testing this is way too much rote memorization esp when you consider also having to know 15 one-steps, an exercise for stances called earth than has 30 moves or more, long ass punching drills, etc etc. this is why i refuse to test in the 6-mth cycle, especially since i will probably have to take a few private lessons here and there to polish my boxing for the crazy amount of continuous sparring required when we test for rank.
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I used to take TKD as a kid and I hated it, but saying it's useless and a shitty martial art is not giving it enough credit.

The reason people think it's shitty is because they see the "sport" version of it (like the one I took). However, "real" TKD like old-school styles are very different. My Muay Thai trainer is a black belt in TKD from an old-school dojo, and he said most of the masters were scarred up and badass fighters who did full-contact training. Hell, I've seen some middle-aged ladies at my gym do a "sport" version of Muay Thai for the cardio, so someone could get the wrong impression of MT if they watched them.

That being said, I personally like Muay Thai better because it teaches very effective punch/kick/knee/elbow combos, it's fun as hell (especially when taking classes with friends), and you don't have to memorize forms to pass tests. God I hated that in TKD.
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I just remembered something I thought I would point out. My TKD teacher was the first guy to teach groundfighting to me. He taught me how to pull guard and avoid mount. And a lot of other useful stuff.
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forms are useful for creating muscle memory, it's true, but i am so f***ing sick of being tested on 3-4 of them every time i go up for rank. for green belt i have to know a f***ing 29-move black belt form (hwa-rang) plus a tae geuk form PLUS a creative form and i hate making up forms, for testing this is way too much rote memorization esp when you consider also having to know 15 one-steps, an exercise for stances called earth than has 30 moves or more, long ass punching drills, etc etc. this is why i refuse to test in the 6-mth cycle, especially since i will probably have to take a few private lessons here and there to polish my boxing for the crazy amount of continuous sparring required when we test for rank.
ya i feel you i hate patterns so ******* much i just recently tested for my 1st degree international thats 12 patterns i needed to know which is about 170 motions thank god i passed

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