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Old 04-05-2007, 03:35 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 04-08-2007, 02:47 AM   #32 (permalink)
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One thing is for sure.. the chances of getting caught in a street fight is one thing, the chance that your attacker will be either a Muay Thai or Kung Fu expert is another. As far as self defence goes, being proficient in virtually any fighting style will drastically improve your odds.

That being said, as far as "styles" go, obviously the surprise / unknown element of a "street fight" cannot be compared to a pre-arranged controlled MMA environment.

Some Martial Arts are more geared towards the element of surprise and not as effective if your opponent knows what to expect.. For example, I personally wouldn't expect an Akido expert to make it far in the Octagon against a pre arranged Muay Thai opponent in a planned event. However if the two went at it in a bar room brawl or street fight and each assumed the other was just an average Joe.. who knows what the outcome would be.

Anyhow thats my blah for the evening!
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Old 05-03-2007, 02:46 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I always see Kung Fu based tournament style movies feature Muay Thai, however MT always fells to make it past 30 sec against the Kung Fu star. If there was a "real life" battle of styles fight, I would bet my money for the Muay Thai fighter
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Old 05-06-2007, 07:02 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Personally I think it all depends on the experiences of the people involved. If a Black belt in Muay Thai has never been in a real fight before (face it, sparring isn't a real fight), and the kung fu master has been in a thousand fights, the kung fu master will win based off of experience. The same goes for if the muay thai black belt had been in a lot of fights and the kung fu master hadn't. With that being said, I think Muay Thai is more practical, but if you haven't had the opportunity to use the skills you've developed, you aren't going to have a clue of what to do against someone who is way more experienced in combat.
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Old 06-03-2007, 03:43 AM   #35 (permalink)
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One thing is for sure.. the chances of getting caught in a street fight is one thing, the chance that your attacker will be either a Muay Thai or Kung Fu expert is another. As far as self defence goes, being proficient in virtually any fighting style will drastically improve your odds.

That being said, as far as "styles" go, obviously the surprise / unknown element of a "street fight" cannot be compared to a pre-arranged controlled MMA environment.

Some Martial Arts are more geared towards the element of surprise and not as effective if your opponent knows what to expect.. For example, I personally wouldn't expect an Akido expert to make it far in the Octagon against a pre arranged Muay Thai opponent in a planned event. However if the two went at it in a bar room brawl or street fight and each assumed the other was just an average Joe.. who knows what the outcome would be.

Anyhow thats my blah for the evening!

I like your answer.

For me the greatest difference to keep in mind between the two is that for the most part Muay Thai is sport oriented, and Kung Fu is not. Obviously, that is not an absolute truth, but probably fits for the majority. Sport fighting has rules. That is the nature of sport. The rules in MMA attempt to allow for a contest that most closely mirrors that which might occur in the street, but there are many many differences between any sport fight and a street fight. In these differences lies the difficulty in judgeing one system or style superior to another based on its effectiveness in a sport setting only. An arguement could be made that many of the "strengths" of a Kung Fu system for example might lie in techniques that are not legal in any sport fight. Small joint locks and manipulations, and other pressure point attacks would be one example (See Chin Na for examples). For further examples simply look at the rules for Muay Thai and MMA and examine those techinques that are "illegal".
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:10 AM   #36 (permalink)
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San Shou

First and foremost, I believe that its the artist not the art that makes the fight. Having said that, though, I'd like to comment a little bit about the styles...

First off, 'Kung Fu' addresses a bajillion different styles which are very diverse. To make blanket statements about Kung Fu is rather illogical because of that. But to be honest, I don't know much about most of these. There is one division of Kung Fu that I am relatively knowledged in, however, and that is San Shou.

San Shou is essentially Muay Thai without elbows and with throws/takedowns. However, there are several counterparts to San Shou. There is military San Shou, which encompasses basic standup (elbows included) as well as ground fighting. That is a form of kung fu, which would probably defeat Muay Thai in most instances, simply because it would be a standup/clinch/ground fighter vs a standup/clinch fighter. One would be versed in all ranges of combat, and the other would be versed in only two. Another variant is civilian self defense San Shou. I...can't say I know what that is, but it sounds like it would be similar to the militarized version, but perhaps slightly watered down. And finally, there is sport San Shou (this is the variant, which doesn't allow elbows).

An interesting fact is that San Shou has participated in quite a few style vs style competitions and has been relatively successful. In fact, San Shou had been pitted against Muay Thai several times and yielded good results. Now, yes, some fights were held in China. But, actually, some were held in Thailand. And surprisingly, with Thai judges, a San Shou fighter pulled out a decision victory.

regardless, I just wanted to point out that San Shou which has/can easily hold its own against Muay Thai is a form of Kung Fu. But, of course -- as stated at the beggining of this post -- what really matters is the individual.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:55 AM   #37 (permalink)
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They lost because muay thai is better. kung fu is to spiritual and unrealistic.
Your assuming that every kung fu practitioner believes in its 'spiritual' or mystical aspect.
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Old 08-14-2007, 08:38 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Back on the second page or so, I read a post saying that Thai boxers only practice kicks, knees, punches and elbows.

That's not true. You also work defenses for each of these, combinations of each of these, the thai clinch (which is hard to master) and lots of moves that take years of practice to become devastating. The conditioning is also the hardest thing to achieve, countless hours of conditioning (and not rubbing your shins with sticks or kicking banana trees) is very hard to do.
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:36 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Personally I think it all depends on the experiences of the people involved. If a Black belt in Muay Thai has never been in a real fight before (face it, sparring isn't a real fight)
Whoa, whoa, now hold up.

I know you said if, but I felt I had to say this.

Any GREAT Muay Thai trainer will beat your ass all over the gym when training you. The reasoning behind that is because you're not prepared to be hit, unless you've BEEN hit. Who better to prepare than the person training you? They know how to hit and they know how to make it hurt, which is something you have to get used to.

A Muay Thai fighter who doesn't get hit by his trainer isn't learning from a GREAT Muay Thai fighter/trainer. Maybe a good one, but nothing more.
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Old 02-29-2008, 08:02 PM   #40 (permalink)
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im pretty sure in one of the first ufc's they had kung fu vs muay thai and mt won
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