I trained in kung-fu for 5 years. It was clearly better for a high schooler to train in a martial art rather than MMA. I'd do the same thing with my kids.
Now that I have that background, I'm currently training in MMA. It helped me formulate a solid base for my training.
Yes, before u go into mma, u have to start with a solid background in an art. Once u have that, u develop it into mma and cross train.
If confronted on the street (assuming by guys who want to hurt you), you're saying that you wouldn't be that lethal? You'd have the cognitive capacity to hold back at appropriate times? Or would you snap the elbow of the guy holding the knife?
The kung fu guys always talk about eye gouges and kicking balls as real self defence. How mma is only a sport.
What i asked was, now that kung fu guys said that, do they really have the guts to do that to someone? Are all kung fu guys going to live up to their reputation as lethal eye gougers and ball kickers and do it to the assailant?
A lot of kung fu techniques are based simply on self defense. MMA is competition. UFC bans groin shots and eye gouges and the like. Those aren't competitive techniques. Those are low blows to be used only when confronted with a situation that requires defense.
I heard this argument many times and its really weak.
First, all martial arts were made for streets. Real self defence. MMA was designed so martial artists can fight as close as they can to a real fight which is LEGAL.
Martial artists are not exactly going to pick a fight on the streets everyday to test out their skills are they?
The only way to test it out legally is to fight in the ring.
Now to these so called groin strikes and eye gouges. Come on dude...this is hilarious.
So for kung fu techniques to be fully effective, they have to use groin strikes and eye gouges? Apart from that, practically every thing u learn in kung fu is useless? Is that what kung fu guys are saying cos that what it sounds like.
And for the renowned wing chun sticky hands and chain punching. These are supposed to be the best self defense, even better than what the mma guys do.
So tell me, can kung fu guys not use this in the ring and beat other mma guys? Its supposed to be the best right? But the argument i hear always is "its unfair cos mma has rules and ban groin, ball and neck strikes".
So if thats the case, then why bother learning sticky hands and chain punching? Why waste time? Why not just tell the people to simply resort to eye gouge and ball kicking and then finish then off with the good old basic street fighting like stomping their heads?
Now for MMA. So for the people to say its only a sport and not real fighting, u telling me muay thai knee strikes, flying knees, front kicks, boxing hooks to the head and face, ju jitsu grappling and throwing u are NEVER used in the street?
U telling me none of this will knock ur attacker down if he mugs u? Ok, whatever.
Its ludicrous when mma guys train, spar and fight in the ring, even though its with rules for the kung fu guys to boast "its not real fighting".
So what makes the kung fu guys training any more real? I would love to hear the answer!!!! What makes practising sticky hands and chian punch against a willing
fellow wing chunner a REAL FIGHT? Tell me.....
So u spar with another fellow wing chunner, what makes that any more real than an mma fight where the guys actaully are going for each other?
Ok, u practice lethal groin, neck and eye strikes which are designed for bad intentions. Man...u really are naive. Im sorry to sound so harsh.
But u really assume an mma guy or ur opponent on the street is going to stand still for u to do this arent u? U think no matter if u get hit with a front kick, low kick, hard boxing hooks to the face, flying knee, u will miraculosuly survive all this and then....come back to deliver ur eye gouge or buddha exploding palm technique?
I have to remind u ur opponent now is not the WILLING wing chunner who allows u to hit him for the countless wing chun demonstrations on youtube u know.
I've seen kung fu guys defend themselves on the street and kick ass. And I'm sure it's gone the other way, too.
This is something i dont doubt. But now answer me honestly....did they use their classic kung fu techniques which are recognisbale? Did they use the blatant wing chun punches? Did they use five point exploding palm (DIM MAKS)? Did they use crane, tiger claws, bak mei, drunken boxing?
Or did they use basic street fighting like boxing and kicking which closely resembles mma?
And i've seen many fights on tv and real life. They really are all basic kicks and punching apart from the odd exception where there are gangs looking to kill each other with weapons.
Honestly, if u ever see or hear a kung fu guy who gouged someones eye or kicked thier balls, please let me know.
However, if you're trying to say that a guy training only in Kung-fu wouldn't do well in the octagon, I'd entirely agree with you. We've seen it before.
Again, welcome to the boards.
thank u. Im sorry to sound harsh but thats my view. Hope to chat more with u guys
Originally Posted by Couchwarrior
You really hate those kung fu losers, don't you Kangaroo? What did they do, use the five point palm exploding heart technique on your dog?
No, they used it on my pet mammoth.
What i hate is not kung fu itself but for the practioners to say mma is only a sport and not real fighting. But then thye somehow think practising and rehearsing their flowery techniques and killer strikes is.
That they think they are guaranteed to get a firm grip on the opponent to do all this.