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Old 02-02-2009, 08:23 PM   #61 (permalink)
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U think the mma guy who fights in the ring wont be just as lethal on the streets as u? Ur deluded man.
I say no kangaroo because when it comes to the street there is ony one thing that wins. Glockfu is my style.


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Old 02-03-2009, 03:23 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I trained in kung-fu for 5 years. It was clearly better for a high schooler to train in a martial art rather than MMA. I'd do the same thing with my kids.

Now that I have that background, I'm currently training in MMA. It helped me formulate a solid base for my training.
Yes, before u go into mma, u have to start with a solid background in an art. Once u have that, u develop it into mma and cross train.


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If confronted on the street (assuming by guys who want to hurt you), you're saying that you wouldn't be that lethal? You'd have the cognitive capacity to hold back at appropriate times? Or would you snap the elbow of the guy holding the knife?
The kung fu guys always talk about eye gouges and kicking balls as real self defence. How mma is only a sport.

What i asked was, now that kung fu guys said that, do they really have the guts to do that to someone? Are all kung fu guys going to live up to their reputation as lethal eye gougers and ball kickers and do it to the assailant?


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A lot of kung fu techniques are based simply on self defense. MMA is competition. UFC bans groin shots and eye gouges and the like. Those aren't competitive techniques. Those are low blows to be used only when confronted with a situation that requires defense.
I heard this argument many times and its really weak.

First, all martial arts were made for streets. Real self defence. MMA was designed so martial artists can fight as close as they can to a real fight which is LEGAL.

Martial artists are not exactly going to pick a fight on the streets everyday to test out their skills are they?
The only way to test it out legally is to fight in the ring.

Now to these so called groin strikes and eye gouges. Come on dude...this is hilarious.

So for kung fu techniques to be fully effective, they have to use groin strikes and eye gouges? Apart from that, practically every thing u learn in kung fu is useless? Is that what kung fu guys are saying cos that what it sounds like.

And for the renowned wing chun sticky hands and chain punching. These are supposed to be the best self defense, even better than what the mma guys do.

So tell me, can kung fu guys not use this in the ring and beat other mma guys? Its supposed to be the best right? But the argument i hear always is "its unfair cos mma has rules and ban groin, ball and neck strikes".

So if thats the case, then why bother learning sticky hands and chain punching? Why waste time? Why not just tell the people to simply resort to eye gouge and ball kicking and then finish then off with the good old basic street fighting like stomping their heads?


Now for MMA. So for the people to say its only a sport and not real fighting, u telling me muay thai knee strikes, flying knees, front kicks, boxing hooks to the head and face, ju jitsu grappling and throwing u are NEVER used in the street?

U telling me none of this will knock ur attacker down if he mugs u? Ok, whatever.


Its ludicrous when mma guys train, spar and fight in the ring, even though its with rules for the kung fu guys to boast "its not real fighting".

So what makes the kung fu guys training any more real? I would love to hear the answer!!!! What makes practising sticky hands and chian punch against a willing fellow wing chunner a REAL FIGHT? Tell me.....

So u spar with another fellow wing chunner, what makes that any more real than an mma fight where the guys actaully are going for each other?

Ok, u practice lethal groin, neck and eye strikes which are designed for bad intentions. Man...u really are naive. Im sorry to sound so harsh.

But u really assume an mma guy or ur opponent on the street is going to stand still for u to do this arent u? U think no matter if u get hit with a front kick, low kick, hard boxing hooks to the face, flying knee, u will miraculosuly survive all this and then....come back to deliver ur eye gouge or buddha exploding palm technique?

I have to remind u ur opponent now is not the WILLING wing chunner who allows u to hit him for the countless wing chun demonstrations on youtube u know.


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I've seen kung fu guys defend themselves on the street and kick ass. And I'm sure it's gone the other way, too.
This is something i dont doubt. But now answer me honestly....did they use their classic kung fu techniques which are recognisbale? Did they use the blatant wing chun punches? Did they use five point exploding palm (DIM MAKS)? Did they use crane, tiger claws, bak mei, drunken boxing?

Or did they use basic street fighting like boxing and kicking which closely resembles mma?

And i've seen many fights on tv and real life. They really are all basic kicks and punching apart from the odd exception where there are gangs looking to kill each other with weapons.

Honestly, if u ever see or hear a kung fu guy who gouged someones eye or kicked thier balls, please let me know.


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However, if you're trying to say that a guy training only in Kung-fu wouldn't do well in the octagon, I'd entirely agree with you. We've seen it before.

Again, welcome to the boards.
thank u. Im sorry to sound harsh but thats my view. Hope to chat more with u guys

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You really hate those kung fu losers, don't you Kangaroo? What did they do, use the five point palm exploding heart technique on your dog?
No, they used it on my pet mammoth.

What i hate is not kung fu itself but for the practioners to say mma is only a sport and not real fighting. But then thye somehow think practising and rehearsing their flowery techniques and killer strikes is.

That they think they are guaranteed to get a firm grip on the opponent to do all this.
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:31 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Having trained for years in both Kung Fu and Muay Thai I'm not surprised but I'd like to see the videos of the fights. I've seen a lot of kung fu fighters lose against muay thai fighters.

One problem of kung fu against muay thai are the kicks. Kung fu is not designed to defend against muay thai kicks. The second problem is using gloves. I'd much rather see kung fu against lithwei/burmese boxing.

Some people have posted some really stupid comments. Kung fu is effective in a fight. The basic philosophy "respond to violence with more violence" can be devestating depending on the application and the strong stances make it a hard style to beat.

Kung fu teaches you to control your opponent and finish the fight quickly where as muay thai is a much more relaxed style of fighting and professionals are used to fighting for fights lasting 15 minutes at a time. Don't forget you are comparing a martial art to a sport.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:51 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Kung fu has many styles, a combination would bring balance to control all 3 centers in a fight. One style that is interesting is Pai Lum Tao.
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Old 03-27-2009, 12:15 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Kangaroo, i agree wing chun and especially classic kung fu styles have many flaws, but each person trains and understands the concepts differently.

MMA guys don't constantly fight full force, they too train with willing partners.

You don't actually comprehend why the illegal moves are relevant though. It's a lot to do with the fact that a fraction of training time has to be used up practicing things that wouldnt be allowed in MMA fights. You really sound obsessive about this eye and balls issue..

sticky hands is good for reaction accuracy and speed, and control in clinch, trapping as well which can be wicked effective. chain punching shouldnt be used in long bursts in my opinion, but really its another good technique with particular applications. more weapons in the arsenal if you will. why not?
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Usually eye gouges, neck chops, groin hits put me in a frenzy, not a good thing to do for an art that requires finese

Brute strength that includes pain supression> Finese
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:45 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Muay Thai uses way more weapons than Kung Fu such as elbows and knees. I'll have to give it to Muay Thai, because its more practical in real combat.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:30 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Muay Thai uses way more weapons than Kung Fu such as elbows and knees. I'll have to give it to Muay Thai, because its more practical in real combat.
Speaking from a person who probably never took kung fu lessons. The styles that I learned incorporates knees and elbows. So before you start posting lies, please do your research first.

But I do agree that muay thai is more practical in real fighting.
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Old 06-25-2009, 10:16 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Kangaroo, i agree wing chun and especially classic kung fu styles have many flaws, but each person trains and understands the concepts differently.

MMA guys don't constantly fight full force, they too train with willing partners.

You don't actually comprehend why the illegal moves are relevant though. It's a lot to do with the fact that a fraction of training time has to be used up practicing things that wouldnt be allowed in MMA fights. You really sound obsessive about this eye and balls issue..

sticky hands is good for reaction accuracy and speed, and control in clinch, trapping as well which can be wicked effective. chain punching shouldnt be used in long bursts in my opinion, but really its another good technique with particular applications. more weapons in the arsenal if you will. why not?

I agree with what you say.

I think all martial arts have their uses and it depends on the individual person too, whetehr he/she can make it effective.

I think muay thai fighters are among the toughest in the martial arts world and we have more than enough evidence seeing it on tv and mma. This is more or less how real fights will go.

But in saying that, just cos a mauy thai fighter will beat most kung fu guys, doesnt mean kung fu is useless. A tough kung fu guy will perfectly capable of defending himself on the street. Its just that when you compare kung fu v mauy thai, mauy thai comes out the best mainly.

Example, a tiger will rip a panther apart but that doesnt mean the panther is weak does it? One has to be tougher than the other.

Illegal strikes like eye gouges, neck strikes, hair pulling etc are all crucial for sure in a real life or death fight. One has to do whatever they can to survive.

Make sure your striking and grappling is good enough cos these are a fighters most basic tools. But also remember to utilise dirty tactics such as eye gouges if your life is threatened.
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I haven't studied Kung Fu yet, but I hear it can be really effective when you use it to it's fullest.

For Muay Thai, I've seen the real damage it can do. So it's really hard to say because they're both really good styles. The thing I notice about Muay Thai nowadays is that it's simple yet extremely effective.

For now, I'll have to go with Muay Thai.
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