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Ferdelance · 08-09-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Micker

Well I think that Muy Thai>>>>any other martial art in terms of real world use. One thing is that its very practical and it is perfect for how most fights really work. Flying/spinning kicks, flashy moves don't work. Self defense techinques don't really work. Elbow strikes, Knees, jabs, uppercuts, leg kicks/sweeps, headbutts, all at close range are what will win a real fight. On top of this, Muy Thai training has a lot of sparring and fighting, where other martial arts focus mainly on hitting air or pads(katas etc.).

Don't believe me? Look at the peole who win UFC now. The top ones use Muy Thai techniques/training and BJJ for the ground grappling. You saw how the karate experts got their butts kicked when they first competed and styles weren't the mixed like they are now. I truely believe that regular martial arts are not made for making you a fighter, more then making you better physically and mentally. You will be a better fighter if you are a black belt in TKD, but that doesn't mean you are a good fighter. Muy Thai is based on fighting and fighting efficently to knock out your opponent. Of course you will need some ground skills to be a good fighter, almost every real fight I have ever seen has gone to the ground, unless one of the people are VERY outmatched.

What about the idea is that the greatest master is the man who never had a fight in his life? You know, I had an experience in high school some years back.I was in a band that was doing well, we were playing dances every weekend. Naturally, at some of these things there were punks and thug wannabes, guys who were punks trying to be thugs and as a result, there were fights and various encounters. The drummer in my band was into Jay Gluck's classic paperback entitled "Zen Combat," especially for the section on Aikido, and when he heard that a genuine Aikido master from Japan was going to give a demonstration in a nearby city, he thought that we should check it out.
We did. I was impressed, especially when that old man took on like nine or ten guys, and those ten guys weren't B.S.ing.I was all psyched up when the time came when we could talk to the master personally, and when it was my turn, I asked him about this one trick that the punks liked to pull to sucker a guy. I figured that if anybody knew an effective counter to it, he would.
And you know what he said to me? He said,"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
I never forgot that. I think that truer words were never spoken to me,
"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
Ninety nine times out of a hundred, you can see trouble coming. These guys have to psyche themselves up to swing at you. They have to provoke an argument by talking trash.Sometimes you can just see them coming.
After what the master said to me, I never had anymore problems. If my band did a gig at a bar and somebody had one too many and wanted to argue over who won the penant in 1997, I'd be like," Oh, sure, man. YOu're right. You are so right. Donald Duck's team won the penant in 1997 ! What in the world was I thinking about. Listen: It's been great talking to you, but I got to get back to the band."

The Don · 08-10-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferdelance

What about the idea is that the greatest master is the man who never had a fight in his life? You know, I had an experience in high school some years back.I was in a band that was doing well, we were playing dances every weekend. Naturally, at some of these things there were punks and thug wannabes, guys who were punks trying to be thugs and as a result, there were fights and various encounters. The drummer in my band was into Jay Gluck's classic paperback entitled "Zen Combat," especially for the section on Aikido, and when he heard that a genuine Aikido master from Japan was going to give a demonstration in a nearby city, he thought that we should check it out.
We did. I was impressed, especially when that old man took on like nine or ten guys, and those ten guys weren't B.S.ing.I was all psyched up when the time came when we could talk to the master personally, and when it was my turn, I asked him about this one trick that the punks liked to pull to sucker a guy. I figured that if anybody knew an effective counter to it, he would.
And you know what he said to me? He said,"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
I never forgot that. I think that truer words were never spoken to me,
"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
Ninety nine times out of a hundred, you can see trouble coming. These guys have to psyche themselves up to swing at you. They have to provoke an argument by talking trash.Sometimes you can just see them coming.
After what the master said to me, I never had anymore problems. If my band did a gig at a bar and somebody had one too many and wanted to argue over who won the penant in 1997, I'd be like," Oh, sure, man. YOu're right. You are so right. Donald Duck's team won the penant in 1997 ! What in the world was I thinking about. Listen: It's been great talking to you, but I got to get back to the band."

excellent post man... Thats basicly what I have always been taught that the highest form of self defense is to not get into a fight in the first place.. That if you found your self in a situation where it has become physical you messed up somewhere along the way. but you train so that when you do make a mistake you are prepared to handle it as efficently as possible and that ideally you can go through life with out ever having to throw a punch in self defense. just training/.

Shadowslan · 08-26-2006, 11:42 PM

But, you forgot what we were talking about. Whether, kung fu is better than muay thai. Muay thai is so much more practical for fighting. However, if you want to do martial arts for the "Spirituality" kung fu is better. That's the end of it

The Don · 08-27-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowslan

But, you forgot what we were talking about. Whether, kung fu is better than muay thai. Muay thai is so much more practical for fighting. However, if you want to do martial arts for the "Spirituality" kung fu is better. That's the end of it

the Muay thai system may be designed better for more practical use but that does not mean every Muay thai fighter can defeat every Hung Fu fighter.. it all comes down the the individual

Shadowslan · 08-29-2006, 09:26 PM

A well trained Thai fighter can beat a better trained kung fu practitioner because of the obvious fact that Thai fighters can take a lot more damage, can deal more damage, and they are physically (and for fighting mentally) in better shape.

In some lucky circumstances, a kung fu fighter may defeat a thai fighter, but it is very, very unlikely

mgibbins · 10-08-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowslan

A well trained Thai fighter can beat a better trained kung fu practitioner because of the obvious fact that Thai fighters can take a lot more damage, can deal more damage, and they are physically (and for fighting mentally) in better shape.

In some lucky circumstances, a kung fu fighter may defeat a thai fighter, but it is very, very unlikely

i agree with this. the reason why the muay thai fighters won is because they have had full contact hits since they were as young as six or even younger. But the kungfu fighters arent used to this. So while the kungfu fighters may have been more skilled technically they could hit a muay thai fighter a few times and not phase him, but 1 blow from the muay thai fighter could cause a knockout.

Shadowslan · 10-11-2006, 10:34 PM

mgibbins is exactly right

Split · 10-11-2006, 11:23 PM

The only reason muay thai is considered by many better than kung-fu is better it takes so little time to develop the very few techniques that muay thai has. And if u(whoever i read the post) cant take a blow, its because u dont train for it, thats all. Muay thai fighters use a stick(steel, wood whatever) and they rub very stronly the front part of their legs so they dont feel anything when they kick on any parts of the opponent's body. There are a lot of other ways to acheive the same goal in kung-fu(with potions, but basically the same thing).

Most of the "masters" in kung-fu today dont have 50% of what their own masters had.. and im not trying to offend any1 here, but im pretty sure they would agree themselves.. so its only natural that today's muay thai fighters, who dont have much to teach to their students, are a lot more closer to the original muay thai than today's student are to kung-fu.

If u take any masters that created their own style a few hundred years ago compare to any muay thai fighter, its just game over.
muay thai fighters works on kicks, knees, elbows, thats it. Kung-fu works on all those, + the rest, up to fingers. enough said i think.

Asian Sensation · 10-12-2006, 12:03 AM

stfu with all this nonsense of comparing styles and watch MMA lol as much as i am a fan of kung fu most of the forms ive seen/learned are uneffective its good to look at but no very effective when fighting where as muay thai is used in MMA ALOT and alot of the top fighters are well versed in it but muay thai alone cant be effective there are just so many other factors but comparing the two in terms of effectiveness hahahaha wake up kung fu fans IT WONT WORK

Sydon666 · 10-15-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote Split: The only reason muay thai is considered by many better than kung-fu is better it takes so little time to develop the very few techniques that muay thai has.

Muay thai has been simplefied for the sport. The traditional muay thai also uses a lot advanced elbow- kneestrikes and grappling moves including groundwork. Muay Thai is a combatsystem and kung fu is a fighting style.

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