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If you are training for MMA, Muay Thai would be a much better style than Krav Maga to prepare yourself to fight in the octagon. If youre training for street fights, the shooting range is the skill to go with.

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Again,my problem lies both in my own ignorance and my perception of what you call "a street fight." for exampleoes Muay Thai teach weapons disarming techniques like Krav Maga or Russian Sambo or some TMA schools. I admit that the knee and elbow techniques of Muay Thai are unquestionably devastating when properly executed, but in my ignorance, I wonder againoes Muay Thai teach you how to deal with a gun,knife,machete, beer mug, etc. wielding opponent. That is why, at the present time, I am leaning towards Krav Maga for my future studies, because Krav Maga assumes that the indiviual(s) that you are fighting are not very sporting individuals.
But listen:thnks,man. I do see your point if the fight is limited to what people once called "fair fist and skull."
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First off, your main question .. Muay Thai absolutely rocks in a street fight. In all the closed spaces you mentioned, elbows and knees, the principle weapons of MT, are extremely effective. A standing elbow is rarely seen in an octagon because of wide open space, but is deadly in close range streetfights. I've only had to use it once, in the only real 'street' fight to my name, outside a bar in a VERY cramped space. But it was over before it began (although too be honest the guy was pretty wasted too). You probably won't be able to throw too many flashy kicks, but that eliminates most traditional martial arts like TKD etc. right there. Plus MT will build up your power, and use it far more effectively than any other art out there. A lot of traditional martial arts will have flashy flying kicks and stiff punches with little leverage or momentum behind them. A MT punch/kick/elbow/knee done well will knock out guys twice your size, break noses and crack chins almost effortlessly.

As for weapon defence from Krav Maga or the like .. it sucks. That stuff is completely stiff, choregraphed and impractical in a street fight. Seriously, they never even do completely free for all rubber knife sparring to prove the effectiveness of their techniques. The most they do is those fake demonstrations of "If you come at me THIS way, I'll do THIS .. wait, not so fast.. and quit faking stabs, you're supposed to be predicatable. Now ..hold still while I twist your arm ... THERE! INVINCIBLE WEAPON DEFENSE!!". The best unarmed defense against a weapon is this: RUN. I trained Kali knife arts for over a year, and the one part that I thought was ludicrous was the unarmed knife disarms/stab-backs (same stuff as Krav Maga disarms). They worked well enough when we trained them slow.. but when it came to rubber-knife sparring, a guy that had only been coming for a month got 9 out of 10 stabs (in "instant kill" spots) on the unarmed "pros" who'd been practising these disarms for years. He wasn't even exceptionally quick or anything.. he just didn't fall into the trap of being "nice" and predictable. 1/10 is pretty shitty odds. As for their Isreali military claim to fame, when was the last time someone in the military fought someone with their hands? They have guns, remember?

And those "chick tricks" that Krav Maga always teaches i.e. kick to the balls / eye gouge .. those aren't so easy. Anyone who's not retarded or completely slow will keep those areas partially protected or fully mobile for dodging. If you really want to protect against weapons, you'll have to carry one, but that's a BIG responsibility and illegal in some countries. A flip open pocket blade is even better than a gun at close range and can be carried anywhere, but you need to learn how to use it. Kali/Eskrima are good arts for that.. even a few months of them are good enough for basic handling, stance, and reflexes; after that natural speed and talent is what counts.

EDIT: Krav Maga case in point, this:
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(gun to side of head)
will get you fcking killed. You try to swipe gun like that from a guy who can see your hands in plain sight, he'll splatter your brains on the floor before you can say Kra..aagh.

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First off, your main question .. Muay Thai absolutely rocks in a street fight. In all the closed spaces you mentioned, elbows and knees, the principle weapons of MT, are extremely effective. A standing elbow is rarely seen in an octagon because of wide open space, but is deadly in close range streetfights. I've only had to use it once, in the only real 'street' fight to my name, outside a bar in a VERY cramped space. But it was over before it began (although too be honest the guy was pretty wasted too). You probably won't be able to throw too many flashy kicks, but that eliminates most traditional martial arts like TKD etc. right there. Plus MT will build up your power, and use it far more effectively than any other art out there. A lot of traditional martial arts will have flashy flying kicks and stiff punches with little leverage or momentum behind them. A MT punch/kick/elbow/knee done well will knock out guys twice your size, break noses and crack chins almost effortlessly.

As for weapon defence from Krav Maga or the like .. it sucks. That stuff is completely stiff, choregraphed and impractical in a street fight. Seriously, they never even do completely free for all rubber knife sparring to prove the effectiveness of their techniques. The most they do is those fake demonstrations of "If you come at me THIS way, I'll do THIS .. wait, not so fast.. and quit faking stabs, you're supposed to be predicatable. Now ..hold still while I twist your arm ... THERE! INVINCIBLE WEAPON DEFENSE!!". The best unarmed defense against a weapon is this: RUN. I trained Kali knife arts for over a year, and the one part that I thought was ludicrous was the unarmed knife disarms/stab-backs (same stuff as Krav Maga disarms). They worked well enough when we trained them slow.. but when it came to rubber-knife sparring, a guy that had only been coming for a month got 9 out of 10 stabs (in "instant kill" spots) on the unarmed "pros" who'd been practising these disarms for years. He wasn't even exceptionally quick or anything.. he just didn't fall into the trap of being "nice" and predictable. 1/10 is pretty shitty odds. As for their Isreali military claim to fame, when was the last time someone in the military fought someone with their hands? They have guns, remember?

And those "chick tricks" that Krav Maga always teaches i.e. kick to the balls / eye gouge .. those aren't so easy. Anyone who's not retarded or completely slow will keep those areas partially protected or fully mobile for dodging. If you really want to protect against weapons, you'll have to carry one, but that's a BIG responsibility and illegal in some countries. A flip open pocket blade is even better than a gun at close range and can be carried anywhere, but you need to learn how to use it. Kali/Eskrima are good arts for that.. even a few months of them are good enough for basic handling, stance, and reflexes; after that natural speed and talent is what counts.

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(gun to side of head)
will get you fcking killed. You try to swipe gun like that from a guy who can see your hands in plain sight, he'll splatter your brains on the floor before you can say Kra..aagh.
What would you recommend in a situation where you have no other options but to fight an armed opponent while you yourself are unarmed?
Like the situation that I previously mentioned, where you are going about your personal affairs, or maybe you are on a date with that special lady in your life, and you encounter some criminals who are armed and they are not satisfied with robbing you of your cash, nosiree, they decide that they are going to have some fun with your lady.
What if you have to defend yourself or a lady friend or a family member? What would you recommend in those circumstances?it is my awareness of the increasing prevalence of incidents like that that brought me back to studying the martial arts.
And by the way:Thanks for a great post!
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Heh, thanks, appreciate it.

anyway.. like I said, even the best unarmed weapon defence has a low probability of success at best, and it's next to suicide against a guy who really knows how to use his weapon (luckily, most street chumps don't fall into that category, but still, a knife is a knife and a gun is a gun). So if you feel like you'll be travelling into areas or situations where you might encounter such dangers (eg: night-time in big cities etc.), the best and only real defense against a weapon is to have your own and know how to use it. Flip knives are good for carrying, and a gun is good to have in your house if you live in a dangerous area. If the possibility of stabbing another guy, even in self-defense, is a little gut-wrenching for you, there's other non-lethal weapons like mace/pepper spray and tazers/stunners available. Sorry to bust your bubble man, I'd like nothing better than to just tell you to "learn so and so martial art and instantly kick the ass of 4 guys with knives, then cooly finish your martini as the last guy falls to the floor, grab and lean over the love of your life into a deep kiss, and walk off slowly into the sunset..". But the real world just doesn't work like the movies. If any MA makes such a claim, stay away from it, it's a McDojo (McDojo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) or bogus art that's after your money .. Aikido is a pretty bad culprit here.

That being said, if you somehow get caught in the situation you described, you don't have any weapons of your own on you, and running isn't an option since there's a loved one with you, you throw the dice and hope for the best. To be honest, your chances are probably pretty shitty no matter what you know, but then life has a funny way of beating the odds sometimes. I've never personally been in such a situation, but the guy that I learnt Kali (Knife MA) from had some tips that I thought were very rational and applicable, just my humble opinion:

1) In case of knives/melee weapons, first, try to grab ANYTHING that could act as your own weapon or shield.. it'll multiply your chances ridiculously if you have something besides your soft flesh to parry and block the cuts, and allow you to be more offensive. It's hard to attack when you know the slightest mistake will spill your guts on the pavement. Even if it can't be used for blocking, it might allow you to knock the guy out easier. It could be a metal rod/stick/bottle/garbage-can lid/decoration .. whateever. If nothing else, if you have time, quickly flipping and wrapping a jacket/sweatshirt around your forearm (on the non-dominant side, left for most people) can serve as a basic shield/parry. I thought it made a huge difference in our knife sparring sessions, being able to parry/tie the guy in with my wrapped left hand while I moved in for a disarm/KO. Speaking of jackets, wearing a hard leather jacket can in itself be a slight protection against knives (in addition to looking badass ).. they won't save you from a strong stab from a good knives, but they'll definitely protect against all slashes. Knife disarms can also somewhat increase your chances, but they're hard to pull of. The best defence is a good offence .. if you've found a weapon, try to bash the guys skull in before he can hit a vital spot; the human body is pretty resilient, you could get stabbed a bunch of times and have innumerable cuts, but your adrenaline will keep you going unless you get hit in a critical spot like the lungs/liver/heart.

Speaking of which, keep them protected by keeping your left (for most people) forearm up to cover those spots in a completely side-facing stance to give your opponent the smallest possible target, and keep the distance until you see an opening. Kali/Escrima are good MAs for this situation if you really feel the need for it. I still wouldn't recommend Krav Maga.. my brother took it for more than a year and I tried it for a few weeks, and most of that stuff looked like reckless suicide to me. It smelled of the typical bravado stuff to trick dainty women and little boys into thinking they could beat down a 300 lb thug armed with an AK, as long as they paid their instructors well . Of course the thugs never resisted or reacted, but that's ok, you're invincible remember!

2) Against a gun .. you're pretty fukd. Honestly, as long as the guy with the gun is at a slight distance, you can't do shit. Just do as he says until somehow the distance closes or the cops come. If he closes the distance, you can throw the dice .. the key is to control the gun hand first and foremost. Say your prayers, make the fastest grab you can, keep you fingers closed over his so he can't switch the gun to another hand. Then do what you can. I guess anything could work here.. a good knee, an eye gouge, a disarm, twist back the gun and fire, whatever. But honestly, this'd be pretty hard to pull off outside a movie, by now you'd probably be shot about 10 times.

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Muay Thai is perfect for self-defese, and it's one of the main styles used in Vale Tudo, which is pretty much MMA with no rules. Utilizing knees, kicks, elbows, and punches will throw off 99% of people trying to attack you. Most street fights are just wild punces and ignorance, so being skilled in any form of martial arts gives you the advantage.
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Heh, thanks, appreciate it.

anyway.. like I said, even the best unarmed weapon defence has a low probability of success at best, and it's next to suicide against a guy who really knows how to use his weapon (luckily, most street chumps don't fall into that category, but still, a knife is a knife and a gun is a gun). So if you feel like you'll be travelling into areas or situations where you might encounter such dangers (eg: night-time in big cities etc.), the best and only real defense against a weapon is to have your own and know how to use it. Flip knives are good for carrying, and a gun is good to have in your house if you live in a dangerous area. If the possibility of stabbing another guy, even in self-defense, is a little gut-wrenching for you, there's other non-lethal weapons like mace/pepper spray and tazers/stunners available. Sorry to bust your bubble man, I'd like nothing better than to just tell you to "learn so and so martial art and instantly kick the ass of 4 guys with knives, then cooly finish your martini as the last guy falls to the floor, grab and lean over the love of your life into a deep kiss, and walk off slowly into the sunset..". But the real world just doesn't work like the movies. If any MA makes such a claim, stay away from it, it's a McDojo (McDojo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) or bogus art that's after your money .. Aikido is a pretty bad culprit here.

That being said, if you somehow get caught in the situation you described, you don't have any weapons of your own on you, and running isn't an option since there's a loved one with you, you throw the dice and hope for the best. To be honest, your chances are probably pretty shitty no matter what you know, but then life has a funny way of beating the odds sometimes. I've never personally been in such a situation, but the guy that I learnt Kali (Knife MA) from had some tips that I thought were very rational and applicable, just my humble opinion:

1) In case of knives/melee weapons, first, try to grab ANYTHING that could act as your own weapon or shield.. it'll multiply your chances ridiculously if you have something besides your soft flesh to parry and block the cuts, and allow you to be more offensive. It's hard to attack when you know the slightest mistake will spill your guts on the pavement. Even if it can't be used for blocking, it might allow you to knock the guy out easier. It could be a metal rod/stick/bottle/garbage-can lid/decoration .. whateever. If nothing else, if you have time, quickly flipping and wrapping a jacket/sweatshirt around your forearm (on the non-dominant side, left for most people) can serve as a basic shield/parry. I thought it made a huge difference in our knife sparring sessions, being able to parry/tie the guy in with my wrapped left hand while I moved in for a disarm/KO. Speaking of jackets, wearing a hard leather jacket can in itself be a slight protection against knives (in addition to looking badass ).. they won't save you from a strong stab from a good knives, but they'll definitely protect against all slashes. Knife disarms can also somewhat increase your chances, but they're hard to pull of. The best defence is a good offence .. if you've found a weapon, try to bash the guys skull in before he can hit a vital spot; the human body is pretty resilient, you could get stabbed a bunch of times and have innumerable cuts, but your adrenaline will keep you going unless you get hit in a critical spot like the lungs/liver/heart.

Speaking of which, keep them protected by keeping your left (for most people) forearm up to cover those spots in a completely side-facing stance to give your opponent the smallest possible target, and keep the distance until you see an opening. Kali/Escrima are good MAs for this situation if you really feel the need for it. I still wouldn't recommend Krav Maga.. my brother took it for more than a year and I tried it for a few weeks, and most of that stuff looked like reckless suicide to me. It smelled of the typical bravado stuff to trick dainty women and little boys into thinking they could beat down a 300 lb thug armed with an AK, as long as they paid their instructors well . Of course the thugs never resisted or reacted, but that's ok, you're invincible remember!

2) Against a gun .. you're pretty fukd. Honestly, as long as the guy with the gun is at a slight distance, you can't do shit. Just do as he says until somehow the distance closes or the cops come. If he closes the distance, you can throw the dice .. the key is to control the gun hand first and foremost. Say your prayers, make the fastest grab you can, keep you fingers closed over his so he can't switch the gun to another hand. Then do what you can. I guess anything could work here.. a good knee, an eye gouge, a disarm, twist back the gun and fire, whatever. But honestly, this'd be pretty hard to pull off outside a movie, by now you'd probably be shot about 10 times.
Anybody who claims to be able to give me better advice than this is just trying to see if he can get me to go for an offer on the Brooklyn Bridge, priced for quick sale.
Thanks again for the best advice I've ever heard.
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Listen: Your advice about Escrima has paid off big time in a totally unexpected way. It goes like this:
I don't know if you've seen one of my latest threads,the one "Which is the best martial arts for a woman?"but,I am going to take the risk of redundancy and assume that you didn't, and repeat myself here:
My friend's wife is a nurse.Another nurse was attacked in the elevator at the hospital where she works.At first that sounds totallly insane;there are security guards in the building, there are cops on the premises, there are zillions of other people in the hospital at any given time,it's not like she was alone in dark alleyway or something.but when I thought about it, it reminded me of two things:
1.In self-defense expert John Perkins(whom I once had the honor of meeting and talking with),in his book Attack Proof, he talks about how, when he was a police officer in Yonkers, New York, somebody actually raped somebody in the elevator in the courthouse,of all places.In thinking of this, I am reminded of:
2.The true story of how Murder,Inc.'s Pittsburgh Phil actually committed a murder with FBI agents a few feet away, and he got away with it!Apparently, Pittsburgh Phil knew that the FBI knew that he was in town to complete a contract, and they were following him around, and Pittsburgh Phil saw it as a challenge to his "Professionalism" to actually pull off the hit with federal agants right there!
So I am thinking"maybe it's the same kind of thinking,that some sickos see it as a challenge to pull off a crime or an attack on a woman with the police and security right in the vicinity.
Yes? No?
I remember when I lived in New York City,somebody actually stole a police squad car right from in front of the 9th Precinct House.
But back to your advice: Since the attack, my friend's wife signed up for this women's cardio-kickboxing self defense course they teach at the health club where she regularly works out.
You know what I think of that, don't you? My calculus professor, Professor Pocci was fond of saying,"That and a dollar won't get you a Big Mac!!!"
You know?
Exactly."Women's cardio-kickboxing self-defense" sounds so McDojo to me.
But your advice on Escrima sounds spot on for her, and I'll tell you why now:
Look at her profession!
The last time I was in the hospital with an infected hand,
the nurse took out a blade and cut off the bandages, then the lady doctor took out a blade and cut my hand wide open.Any of the blades that these nurses have access to are ferociously sharp,with the bonus:
This is a part of her job!She have every legitimate reason in the world for having one in the pocket of her uniform!
Plus, I imagine, as she is going from patient to patient,she might have several of different sizes.
So if (God forbid!) she was actually attacked and she had to defend herself in court as to why she did a number on the guy with a blade,she has a defense that will stand up way better than most as to why she had the blade to begin with!
It's a part of her job,for crying out loud!!!!
She would be in a better position than if (again God forbid!) you or I were to shoot some punk on the street,irregardless of what kind of permit we had.
What do you think?
Right know, I am trying to locate some qualified Escrima instruction for her, and run what I just keyed in here, I am going to run that by her and her husband and see what they think.
Thanx again,buddy, for some terrific advice!
I really think that if she gets good with escrima and learns how to wield a blade,she'll be in a much better position to defend herself against an attacker than she will by studying "women's cardio-kickboxing self-defense."
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Anytime, glad to help. And I'd agree with your assessment .. I've seen "Women's cardio kickboxing" classes in action before and they really are just McDojo aerobics. I saw the clumsiest, girliest, aerobics style excercise going on.. and since then I make a point to mention to everyone that I do "Muay Thai" and not "Kickboxing" (even if they have no idea what muay thai is), because what I saw was about as hardcore and useful for self defense as a paper clip.

I'd say Escrima really is the best way to go for her; it not only teaches knife, but using any available object as a weapon, and on occasion stab back an attacker with his own weapon if you get lucky. Maybe some cross training in BJJ would be perfect in those cases where the attack is sudden, she isn't able to pull out her blade and gets jumped.. the guillotine, armbar or (best) triangle choke would work perfect for a woman being pressed down by a guy because they rely move on flexibility than strength. Mace or pepper spray is a decent option if she doesn't want to put the time into any MA, but it's more easily disarmed and takes longer to aim etc. in a split second situation. Besides, like you said, she has an easy access and legal excuse for carrying around a knife.. most juries would be on her side in the event she had to use it in defence.

In most situations, there would be an opportunity to quickly grab a scalpel or something from a belt or pocket no problem, even in the midst of a struggle. And I guarantee it, strength difference or not, someone with a knife and the true skill to use it is deadly against anyone. If the attacker is at bay, she could probably scare him off with a taste. If he has her down, she could bite an arm free long enough to make a grab and stab. Either way, it's far more effective than trying to stand and knock out an attacker with a 100lbs on her.
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Anytime, glad to help. And I'd agree with your assessment .. I've seen "Women's cardio kickboxing" classes in action before and they really are just McDojo aerobics. I saw the clumsiest, girliest, aerobics style excercise going on.. and since then I make a point to mention to everyone that I do "Muay Thai" and not "Kickboxing" (even if they have no idea what muay thai is), because what I saw was about as hardcore and useful for self defense as a paper clip.

I'd say Escrima really is the best way to go for her; it not only teaches knife, but using any available object as a weapon, and on occasion stab back an attacker with his own weapon if you get lucky. Maybe some cross training in BJJ would be perfect in those cases where the attack is sudden, she isn't able to pull out her blade and gets jumped.. the guillotine, armbar or (best) triangle choke would work perfect for a woman being pressed down by a guy because they rely move on flexibility than strength. Mace or pepper spray is a decent option if she doesn't want to put the time into any MA, but it's more easily disarmed and takes longer to aim etc. in a split second situation. Besides, like you said, she has an easy access and legal excuse for carrying around a knife.. most juries would be on her side in the event she had to use it in defence.

In most situations, there would be an opportunity to quickly grab a scalpel or something from a belt or pocket no problem, even in the midst of a struggle. And I guarantee it, strength difference or not, someone with a knife and the true skill to use it is deadly against anyone. If the attacker is at bay, she could probably scare him off with a taste. If he has her down, she could bite an arm free long enough to make a grab and stab. Either way, it's far more effective than trying to stand and knock out an attacker with a 100lbs on her.
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My question:It is permissible to click on those little scales and rep you twice?
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