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Old 10-30-2007, 09:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is Muay Thai practical for self-defense purposes?

Like a lot of other people,my first awareness of Muay Thai came from the Jean Claude Van Damme movie Kickboxer.My next source of infor was a rather fine article in the periodical The Village Voice where a journalist described in unbelievable detail the real deal as he saw it in Thailand itself.He made the movie seem like some lame ass sh--!
compared to the real thing.
So yes, I know that Muy Thai is a very demanding discipline.My questions are these:
1.I have seen an excellent book on the self defense applications of Tai Chi.Is there a similar one on Muay Thai?
2.One of the problems that I have conceptually about the self defense practicality of Muay Thai arises from the fact of where self-defense encounters usually occur:A crowded space,for example,between parked cars in the mall parking lot, a crowded space where you can't throw roundhouse kicks and stuff.Or a bar or a disco or someplace where there are a lot of obstructions and the environment(the slippery linoleum for example)is not conducive to a number of Muay Thai techniques that are indisputable devastating in the ring.
How say you,gentlemen?
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe the most common and effective Thai technique will work in any one of those places you named, and that is the elbow to the bridge of the nose. That then leads to the clinch and "riding a bike" as some would like to say. Basically kneeing in the clinch.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Like a lot of other people,my first awareness of Muay Thai came from the Jean Claude Van Damme movie Kickboxer.My next source of infor was a rather fine article in the periodical The Village Voice where a journalist described in unbelievable detail the real deal as he saw it in Thailand itself.He made the movie seem like some lame ass sh--!
compared to the real thing.
So yes, I know that Muy Thai is a very demanding discipline.My questions are these:
1.I have seen an excellent book on the self defense applications of Tai Chi.Is there a similar one on Muay Thai?
2.One of the problems that I have conceptually about the self defense practicality of Muay Thai arises from the fact of where self-defense encounters usually occur:A crowded space,for example,between parked cars in the mall parking lot, a crowded space where you can't throw roundhouse kicks and stuff.Or a bar or a disco or someplace where there are a lot of obstructions and the environment(the slippery linoleum for example)is not conducive to a number of Muay Thai techniques that are indisputable devastating in the ring.
How say you,gentlemen?
Respectfully submitted,
Ferdelance
A big misconception is that Muay Thai is purley kicks. It's not. Their clinch game is amazingly tough. If you clinch with someone who doesn't know what to do there, you will demolish them. The control that you get on the back of their neck is amazing, and all you have to do in unload the knees into their ribs and face. They arn't big on punches, but they do train with their fists. Also, elbows are one of the most devestating things you can throw. Cut em above the eye and just run. They'll be like "Aaaa! I can't see!" lol
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Dude, Muay Thai kicks ass in a street fight.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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yeah... the most important part would be not the technique itself - which is still important But the punching and kicking skill that you will get. i first started with boxing - the coach was super good - Olympic level - very very demanding guy, you could never do anything right.
one of the most important things he taught me - how to punch hard - and believe the way boxer punches is nowhere near any regular person. after couple of months when the new guys would come and you spar with them - it's just ridiculous how slow, not accurate and weak their punches are. on MT coach was that demanding anymore but i already knew how and what and it was much easier to pick it up with kicks. Again new dudes never even came close.
Meaning that if you kick somebody good, even low kick, be almost sure that the guy will freak out and probably fall on the ground. good punch will do the same if not worse.
IF you learn it good - if the coach is good, of course. and wasnt even talking about when you get good with combinations and fancy moves.

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Old 11-01-2007, 01:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Dude, Muay Thai kicks ass in a street fight.
Again,my problem lies both in my own ignorance and my perception of what you call "a street fight." for exampleoes Muay Thai teach weapons disarming techniques like Krav Maga or Russian Sambo or some TMA schools. I admit that the knee and elbow techniques of Muay Thai are unquestionably devastating when properly executed, but in my ignorance, I wonder againoes Muay Thai teach you how to deal with a gun,knife,machete, beer mug, etc. wielding opponent. That is why, at the present time, I am leaning towards Krav Maga for my future studies, because Krav Maga assumes that the indiviual(s) that you are fighting are not very sporting individuals.
But listen:thnks,man. I do see your point if the fight is limited to what people once called "fair fist and skull."
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Again,my problem lies both in my own ignorance and my perception of what you call "a street fight." for exampleoes Muay Thai teach weapons disarming techniques like Krav Maga or Russian Sambo or some TMA schools. I admit that the knee and elbow techniques of Muay Thai are unquestionably devastating when properly executed, but in my ignorance, I wonder againoes Muay Thai teach you how to deal with a gun,knife,machete, beer mug, etc. wielding opponent. That is why, at the present time, I am leaning towards Krav Maga for my future studies, because Krav Maga assumes that the indiviual(s) that you are fighting are not very sporting individuals.
But listen:thnks,man. I do see your point if the fight is limited to what people once called "fair fist and skull."
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The best defense against knife is to run away as quickly as possible or use a gun.
You don't want to start with a guy and then learn that he's too quick or did Krav Maga himself or that you skills arent what you thought.
But seriously - do what you think is best. or try both.
i always thought that defense systems like Krav Maga and Systema (russian spec-ops) is not very easy and would be much more effective if you already knew how to fight.
Planning to do one of those, Systema probably, in some future
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In my oppinion, Muay Thai taught with a Self-Defense mindset isn't a bad option for life "out in the wild." If you always keep in mind to hit the person enough to discourage them from coming after you (up to and including into unconsciousness) and ensuring that you can escape the situation safely, then yeah Muay Thai is a lot better than being left with nothing at all.

You're probably thinking I can break it down to a scenario to technique type deal, but I'm a pessimist when it comes to "Street Fights." Ergo, the scenario is going to be multiple attackers with at least one of them armed in some form or fashion. In that case, I'm not going to tell you to clinch up with someone and knee the stuffing out of them if you aren't sure they aren't going to knife you.

Actually, keep it simple. Kick the person in the stomach, leg, groin if you have the chance. If they go down and you have an avenue to escape, beat feet! Simple as that. Don't think it's going to make things easy or make you any less immune to injury than any other person. If you don't believe me, just Google "Alex Gong" and you'll know why I hold that view.
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The best defense against knife is to run away as quickly as possible or use a gun.
You don't want to start with a guy and then learn that he's too quick or did Krav Maga himself or that you skills arent what you thought.
But seriously - do what you think is best. or try both.
i always thought that defense systems like Krav Maga and Systema (russian spec-ops) is not very easy and would be much more effective if you already knew how to fight.
Planning to do one of those, Systema probably, in some future
That's a bet!I have read what the other gentleman said about Muay Thai building punching and kicking power;I notice that in all discussions of self-defense against a weapon,they all agree upon one thing:first you have to control the weapon,but once the weapon is controlled, you have to do something to the person who is wielding it,the saying being:Attack the man, not the weapon.AFter you have that knife or gun pointing in another direction, you have to punch out, kick out or choke out the weapon wielder.
Thus Muay Thai for striking ability and Systema or Krav Maga for weapos defense skills seems to be the way to go.
By the way, I was speaking of tangling with a weapons wielding opponent only in situations where you have no other options,where fleeing or escape is not an option.What brought me back to the martial arts after a long sojourn( I
took Kyuokushinkai Karate in high school) was an incident that happened to a friend of mind in the local mall.He and his special lady happened to be there on what is called "gang initiation night."Cut to the chase:They weren't satisfied with robbing him;they wanted to have fun with his lady.He got shot four times but his lady came away with nothing worse than a fractured wrist she suffered in the struggle.
That is my point: If I can run away, I will. IF I can escape,I will.If somebody only wants my wallet,fine.They can have it.If they want to hurt my special lady or someone in my family or something,then I see no other option but to take them on, no matter what kind of blade or piece or whatever they got.
Thanks for some great feedback, guys!
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think Muay Thai would help alot in a street fight. You would most definatly have an edge over the person attacking you.
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