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Old 06-24-2010, 02:43 AM   #31 (permalink)
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If you think about it.....a tree is immobile....so if you kick trees that is utter stupidity.
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:13 AM   #32 (permalink)
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If you think about it.....a tree is immobile....so if you kick trees that is utter stupidity.
it is not, if it was a mobile target then it would not harden your shins. The fact that it is immobile is the whole point.
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So let me get this straight then....if you want to kick at 1/16 power just so you can not walk....then this is good?
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Well I plan on using a heavy bag soon, but I was just looking for a substitute until I have one available. I was thinking using that using shin guards against a tree(with the hard part removed, leaving a somewhat thick cushion) would be similar to kicking a slightly cushioned heavy bag.

Also, I've read that using the bottle method/other similar methods only deadens nerves, but doesn't actual strengthen shins. I'm looking for ways to actually strengthen my shins, not just to remove pain from them.
Just kick thai pads, the bones and muscles will get used to the impact and gradually build resistance and strength.
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So let me get this straight then....if you want to kick at 1/16 power just so you can not walk....then this is good?
Yes, if you have ever kicked someone shin to shin in a fight you would understand. You will still walk, it isn't like you go all out at once. You work your way from soft targets to harder targets.
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:42 PM   #36 (permalink)
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don't do your kicking a tree idea. Aside from the fact that Mr Miagi taught us all in Karate Kid III that trees don't attack us... You're gonna hurt yourself.

If you cant afford a bag, check for a used one on kijiji or craigs list. If you can't afford a used bag... i dont know, maybe something filled with sand? Just don't go kicking an immovable object like a tree unless you've got a hankering for some serious shin injury. it takes time to build up your trebeculi -- don't rush it and break the thing making it weaker.

striking a tree with your shin, with force = terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
Actually, its part of regular training at places like The Shaolin Monastery in Japan....its done to icrease bone density and the trebeculi i mentioned earlier in the thread and it is very efective. Look at any Japanese fighter trained in Japan and their knuckles for example are totally flat....flat equals harder....
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This man here. He knows what he's talking about.

There are a great many ways to condition your shins:
1. Hitting a heavy bag. Throwing kicks to a heavy bag, especialy leg kicks to the bottom of the bag where it is hardest.
2. Checking kicks. Doing attack and defense drills with a sparring partner, i.e. checking leg kicks and countering, things like that is an effective overall training method that happens to include great shin conditioning. Warning! Edemas(fluid filled bulbs) all up and down your shins with this one!
3. Traditional Conditioning. In traditional Martial Arts, specifically Japanese and Chinese arts, there is a form of conditioning that includes a 1/2-1 inch thick piece of wood and shin checks. In this case, your parnter holding the stick swings it in a kicking motion and the defender checks the kick.

I've found that #2 is the best option. But everyone is different and different training works best for everyone. I'd try a few things out and see what flows best!
Thank you Sir, I have had extensive training in this area....with the use of what would be #3 on your list...basically no pain no gain....that simple!!

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Hey Squirrrelfighter,

For right now I use option one.

But I'm curious as to if there is any way to accelerate the growth of the trebeculi?
Use option #3 with epson salts...it helps but like i stated above dude this isnt a process that happens over night and it hurts...it works...it just hurts...

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Well I have found that while Option 1 is effective, Option 2 causes much more trauma to the shin. And the whole idea of it is, that by causing trauma to the shins the body adapts and adds density to the skin on top of the shin, as well as said trauma deadening the nerves.

My theory on this subject is that induing the most trauma possible, with the most effective recovery time, is the best option. I've found Option 2, followed by 2-3 days were needed in the beginning for the Edemas to decrease in size and for the bruises to heal sufficiently enough for me to continue conditioning. The more trauma you can indue the more quickly the nerves will die and the body will adapt.

My sparring parnter, a practitioner of Northern Shaolin Kung Fu, prefers Option 3. I tested this option while still learning Shotokan Karate using a Kendo Sword and found it lacked a lot of the realistic trauma that comes from checking an actual kick.

All in all. I place them in this order of effectiveness:
1. Checking live kicks.
2. Shin kicking the lower portion of a heavy bag
3. Using a stick/Kendo Sword
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If you think about it.....a tree is immobile....so if you kick trees that is utter stupidity.
Actually, it isnt, if you think farther into it. it makes total sense, a stationary object that allows you to plant and strike effectively...

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So let me get this straight then....if you want to kick at 1/16 power just so you can not walk....then this is good?
To build trebeculi in the bones and strengthen bones yes, thats what the topic of the thread is....and yes it is good if you are looking to accomplish this...
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Don't kick trees with soccer shin guards on your legs! That is a bad idea! Kick the lower part of the banana bag; after kicking the lower part banana bag umpteen times you will have strong shins! Checking live kicks hurts, but is very effective, too.

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Old 08-09-2010, 12:24 AM   #38 (permalink)
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ya you can fill up a tube sock up with something hard ie marbels sand small pebels and go at it ,it takes alot of time and is painful
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ya you can fill up a tube sock up with something hard ie marbels sand small pebels and go at it ,it takes alot of time and is painful
no. bullshit.

its not painful, its uncomfortable. but that is a massive difference. pain means damage. find a kickboxing bag and practice good form kicks, it just takes time.

if it hurts, stop.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:34 PM   #40 (permalink)
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no. bullshit.

its not painful, its uncomfortable. but that is a massive difference. pain means damage. find a kickboxing bag and practice good form kicks, it just takes time.

if it hurts, stop.

That I have to disagree with. Pain doesn't mean damage, not by a long shot. Pinch yourself, that hurt, doesn't mean you damaged your skin.

Checking live kicks is very, very painful for months, and months. You develop hemotomas on your shins/calves, and serious bruising that covers your entire lower leg. But its extrememly effective. It deadens the nerve endings in the shin, it develops the trebeculi. And its terribly painful, until your successful. Then you never have to worry about it again.

The pain = no gain concept doesn't work in any aspect of this sport. In competition your opponent's whole goal is to cause enough pain and discomfort for you to quit. You have to train to have a higher pain and discomfort tolerence than your opponent. Whether it be in sparring, conditioning, or even stretching. Moderate pain = the most possible gain.
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