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CamTheCaveman 06-13-2010 06:20 PM

probably a stupid question
 
to get to the question, ive got to tell a story. Im new to mma, having only been attending my school (JG MMA in west chester ohio) for a week and a half. After the first muay thai class, i loved it, even though it beat my ass. At my last class, we worked on bobbing and weaving out a single collar tie. I thought I got that down pretty well. After that we moved on to taking bobbing and weaving further. Instead of an uppercut-jab combo at a focus mitt and then bobbin and stepping out, we just bobbed, stepped aside, trapped the arm and then got into a muay thai clinch. My sparring partner noticed i was incredibly inexperienced since i couldnt get the clinch right. At first i just had a (boxing/training glove covered) hand on each side of his neck. He then told me the "correct" way was to have one hand sort of cup the back of his neck and then put my other hand over that. So far in none of my previous class, despite having plenty of other beginners, weve done nothing about the correct way to be in the clinch, just basic strikes, combos and the bobbing/weaving. So I come to ask, how is the correct or best way to do it? I know I could ask my instructor, but id rather see if what my partner had told was the right way before asking him. thanks for any help

Squirrelfighter 06-18-2010 12:21 PM

I think its more a stylistic thing than anything else.

Some people wrap their fingers around the sides of the neck and hold their opponent that way, while others cup the back of the neck with one hand and cup their own hand with the other to hold their opponent.

If you are able to control your opponent and land effective strikes with your hands on the neck, why change what works? But if you are having issues landing effectively, I would recommend either going with the cupping style, or just ask your instructor to assist you.

CamTheCaveman 06-20-2010 04:30 PM

when we were practicing the knees, i could land them pretty good. and when we were told to put power into kneeing the practice pads, i found it easier to pull down on my partner and put more power into it. I think its because i was too busy trying to get the "right" hand placement to worry about anything else. Ill try it again next time, both ways.

I have another question, which i doubt there is an exact answer for, but how long did it take you to get used to having the weight of thai pads on your arms? we usually do half an hour of practicing, and the past four classes weve spent ten minutes using the thai pads, and about half way through, my left arm just loses all strength and can barely keep it up. I can keep the right up for the whole time though. Dunno if its because im not used to the weight and just need to get used to it, or if im just weak on the left side.

Squirrelfighter 06-20-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CamTheCaveman (Post 1206043)
when we were practicing the knees, i could land them pretty good. and when we were told to put power into kneeing the practice pads, i found it easier to pull down on my partner and put more power into it. I think its because i was too busy trying to get the "right" hand placement to worry about anything else. Ill try it again next time, both ways.

I have another question, which i doubt there is an exact answer for, but how long did it take you to get used to having the weight of thai pads on your arms? we usually do half an hour of practicing, and the past four classes weve spent ten minutes using the thai pads, and about half way through, my left arm just loses all strength and can barely keep it up. I can keep the right up for the whole time though. Dunno if its because im not used to the weight and just need to get used to it, or if im just weak on the left side.

You're right there isn't an exact answer. Its just a matter of the isometric conditioning or the arms/shoulders/traps. You're holding up a weight of between 3 and 5lbs, depending on the brand of pad for ten minutes straight. Its innevitable your arms will go all weaksauce eventually. After a while, you'll adapt and your arms won't tire as quickly, but will eventually, nobody's conditioning is that good! As a matter of fact the conditioning aspect is one of my favorite parts of holding the pads for someone.

As for weakness on one side opposed to the other, if your a righty, your right side will be naturally more developed than your left side. The bones, muscles, tendon, etc are denser than on your "off-side". Its just a natural aspect of human physiology that can be pretty effectively overcome with proper conditioning, but assuming you are symetric in your workouts, your right would always be stronger/more developed than your left.

TheGrizzlyBear 06-21-2010 02:26 PM

also one reason you want to cup the back of the neck with one hand is so you can keep your elbows closer together leaving less space for your opponent to be able to pumble back in and break the clinch.

CamTheCaveman 06-21-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGrizzlyBear (Post 1206713)
also one reason you want to cup the back of the neck with one hand is so you can keep your elbows closer together leaving less space for your opponent to be able to pumble back in and break the clinch.

That was one thing i found easier to do. Before I just had my arms just hanging loose except for when i pulled him into the knees.


and squirrel, do you have any ideas for workouts that could help strengthen the left side alone?

xgarrettxvx 07-01-2010 04:42 PM

forearms against neck hand over hand on the crown or back of skull, don't interlock fingers.

Buhler 10-03-2010 11:51 PM

When it comes to the clinch, I try to just control the inside as tight as possible, even if that means grabbing my forearm/bicep (assuming you're using mma or grappling gloves) and not being able to throw a knee right away, and just pulling my opponent around for a bit before throwing knees


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