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Old 08-23-2010, 01:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Its the obvious disrespect to traditionals that disgusts me. I could care less if you don't want to learn any specific Martial Art. That's fine, you can make your own prejudices on the subject. But blatant disrespect for hundreds of years of values and beliefs, that is what's disgusting.
its even worse.. im an atheist its kinda what we do.

i respect effective fighting ability, so naturally all that other stuff like belts, forms and pretty jump kicks dont receive much from me.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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its even worse.. im an atheist its kinda what we do.

i respect effective fighting ability, so naturally all that other stuff like belts, forms and pretty jump kicks dont receive much from me.
Okay...I'm not sure what religion has to do with Martial Arts, but okay. FTR, we have the same religious beliefs.

You do understand that a form/kata is in essence a combination.

And that the exaggerated stepping movements have as much to do with building muscular endurance as they do with developing the "constant movement" mentality.

As well as the belt system denotes seniority within an organization of many members.

Also, the "pretty jump kicks" do the exact same thing a box jump does, only they include a striking motion(making them much more difficult to perform). Are box jumps useless as well?
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:09 AM   #23 (permalink)
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1. Okay...I'm not sure what religion has to do with Martial Arts, but okay. FTR, we have the same religious beliefs.

2. You do understand that a form/kata is in essence a combination.

3. And that the exaggerated stepping movements have as much to do with building muscular endurance as they do with developing the "constant movement" mentality.

4. As well as the belt system denotes seniority within an organization of many members.

5. Also, the "pretty jump kicks" do the exact same thing a box jump does, only they include a striking motion(making them much more difficult to perform). Are box jumps useless as well?
1. I was referring to

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Its the obvious disrespect to traditionals that disgusts me.. But blatant disrespect for hundreds of years of values and beliefs, that is what's disgusting.
as atheists this is just something that is common for us to do :P

2. yes

3. yes ive heard that before, wall squats are a lot better than that imo it just looks less cool.

4. yes i also know this. senority, not necissarily skill level. which is why there are a lot of karate/tkd black belt 10 year olds

5. i disagree. box jumps are much harder and you'd do frequent jumps to get the full benefit i dont imagine you'd go jump kick x 10 in a few seconds, i used to do sets of them when i was younger. pretty good, but kinda hard on your joints etc. once again id say box jumping is a lot better, but less fun if you want to pretend to be like "ninja kick"
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Old 08-24-2010, 06:54 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I think the problem with the traditional martial arts is, that hey lack a full contact competetition system. If you box, you can fight full contact boxing, same with kickboxing and thaiboxing. But martial arts like karate, wingchun and many others normally dont have a full contact tourney system.
For example in germany, 90% of karate tourneys is pointfighting. The full contact system in germany is kyukushinkai, which is senseless because you cant strike to the head. The only full contact karate tourney system I know is daido juku, but this kind is only be teached in japan and eastern europe.
The problem with full contact I have, is, that you get punched with full contact in the head too often. That cant be good.
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I think the problem with the traditional martial arts is, that hey lack a full contact competetition system. If you box, you can fight full contact boxing, same with kickboxing and thaiboxing. But martial arts like karate, wingchun and many others normally dont have a full contact tourney system.
For example in germany, 90% of karate tourneys is pointfighting. The full contact system in germany is kyukushinkai, which is senseless because you cant strike to the head. The only full contact karate tourney system I know is daido juku, but this kind is only be teached in japan and eastern europe.
The problem with full contact I have, is, that you get punched with full contact in the head too often. That cant be good.
You're probably right. And your post made me think of andy hug. He started as a full contact karate fighter, and the guy was such a badass it took cancer to take him down.

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as atheists this is just something that is common for us to do :P

2. yes

3. yes ive heard that before, wall squats are a lot better than that imo it just looks less cool.

4. yes i also know this. senority, not necissarily skill level. which is why there are a lot of karate/tkd black belt 10 year olds

5. i disagree. box jumps are much harder and you'd do frequent jumps to get the full benefit i dont imagine you'd go jump kick x 10 in a few seconds, i used to do sets of them when i was younger. pretty good, but kinda hard on your joints etc. once again id say box jumping is a lot better, but less fun if you want to pretend to be like "ninja kick"
1. Not all atheists take it upon themselves to sh*t on other people's beliefs(unless they believe in scientology that is!). And by beliefs I was not refering to Buddhism, or some form of ancestorism(a word?) I meant in reference to Martial Skill alone.

2. Nothing need be said.

3. Well its fine to believe that wall sits are better. I just find that standing and moving in an actual deep stance may in fact better develop endurance and explosiveness simultaniously, rather than statically squating against a wall(logic).

4. I never stated, nor do I believe it denotes skill level. A belt is only good for holding up your pants 9/10ths of the time(pulling chicks being #10).

5. Are you aware of proper box jump form? Jump onto the box from a squat. Stand to your full height on the box. Hop off. You can do that 10 times in a few seconds? And they are far less dangerous for the joints(especially knees)than a weighted squat. And they are not in fact pointless, I've seen a highlight reel of Rua KOing a guy with a jumping roundhouse kick.
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1. Not all atheists take it upon themselves to sh*t on other people's beliefs(unless they believe in scientology that is!). And by beliefs I was not refering to Buddhism, or some form of ancestorism(a word?) I meant in reference to Martial Skill alone.

2. Nothing need be said.

3. Well its fine to believe that wall sits are better. I just find that standing and moving in an actual deep stance may in fact better develop endurance and explosiveness simultaniously, rather than statically squating against a wall(logic).

4. I never stated, nor do I believe it denotes skill level. A belt is only good for holding up your pants 9/10ths of the time(pulling chicks being #10).

5. Are you aware of proper box jump form? Jump onto the box from a squat. Stand to your full height on the box. Hop off. You can do that 10 times in a few seconds? And they are far less dangerous for the joints(especially knees)than a weighted squat. And they are not in fact pointless, I've seen a highlight reel of Rua KOing a guy with a jumping roundhouse kick.
1. and neither do I, but like most other atheists I dont have much respect for them either.

3. well wall sits are definitely better than slow low moments. and i dont think those movements would qualify for training a persons explosiveness.

4. do chicks really dig guys who are black belts? if so i want to buy one from ebay

5. yep, did em far to many times back in high school. which guy was that? and he probably could, i mean a fighter of his calibre could be deadly with any kind of attack.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:12 AM   #28 (permalink)
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1. and neither do I, but like most other atheists I dont have much respect for them either.

3. well wall sits are definitely better than slow low moments. and i dont think those movements would qualify for training a persons explosiveness.

4. do chicks really dig guys who are black belts? if so i want to buy one from ebay

5. yep, did em far to many times back in high school. which guy was that? and he probably could, i mean a fighter of his calibre could be deadly with any kind of attack.

1. This section isn't going anywhere. You and I just have a different understanding of the term respect.

3. On the contrary. Get into a deep side stance or back stance and then move around while attempting rounhouse kicks, side kicks, and front kicks. Its extrememly effective at building explosiveness in this area comparatively to many other practices.

Another thing is to look at the time. There weren't gyms on every corner or heavy bags in every basement even 50 or so years ago in the countries we're talking about. Even Gishin Funakoshi(creator of Shotokan)in the 1940s had to rely on ancient training practices. Even if you don't believe in the practices, or want to train them, you HAVE to respect their potential to achieve the same ends as modern training activities, if not as expediantly.

4. The dumb ones do. It makes you seem mysterious and deadly!

5. I'm not really sure which guy. It was grainy video from early Pride, so it could've been any nobody he fought back then. If I can figure it out I'll edit and post the highlight reel. Its actually one of the sickest KOs I've ever seen. And frankly if jumping roundhouse kicks are good enough for the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, they sure as sh*t are good enough for someone like you or me.
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1. This section isn't going anywhere. You and I just have a different understanding of the term respect.

3. On the contrary. Get into a deep side stance or back stance and then move around while attempting rounhouse kicks, side kicks, and front kicks. Its extrememly effective at building explosiveness in this area comparatively to many other practices.

Another thing is to look at the time. There weren't gyms on every corner or heavy bags in every basement even 50 or so years ago in the countries we're talking about. Even Gishin Funakoshi(creator of Shotokan)in the 1940s had to rely on ancient training practices. Even if you don't believe in the practices, or want to train them, you HAVE to respect their potential to achieve the same ends as modern training activities, if not as expediantly.

4. The dumb ones do. It makes you seem mysterious and deadly!

5. I'm not really sure which guy. It was grainy video from early Pride, so it could've been any nobody he fought back then. If I can figure it out I'll edit and post the highlight reel. Its actually one of the sickest KOs I've ever seen. And frankly if jumping roundhouse kicks are good enough for the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, they sure as sh*t are good enough for someone like you or me.
tell you what. im tired of arguing... so im going to take off my pants..

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I'd take mine off to, but you just can't compete with my magnificence. And I'd hate to immasculate you!
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