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What will happen to Women's MMA now that the UFC owns SF

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What will happen to Women's MMA now that Zuffa owns SF

Do you think that Zuffa/UFC will try Women's MMA or do you think after the contracts are up they will disband it all together. ?
 
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If they really do keep Strikeforce seperate it will probably carry on. But if they merge them within the next year or two they'll probably cut it. Hopefully they keep it either way, theres not much talent but they don't have to have a ton of fights.
 
#4 ·
No...


No they ****ing don't.

It's actually an embarrassment to the sport.

I might have to strangle Dana if he sells out.

That Coenen vs that gorilla **** was probably one of the worst displays of fighting I've ever seen. The punches from full mount were the absolute epitome of little girly punches.


I'd tolerate a junior division with kids before I tolerate women.
 
#5 ·
Business as usual... lol

Seriously though unless a big infuse of talent come along in the next couple years when they merge with the UFC it will get debanded. Not enough quality fighters.
 
#8 ·
Good thing they won't. Strikeforce and the UFC will be separate entities. This won't be like the Pride deal because the office structure is already in place at Strikeforce. Also, Zuffa won't be dealing with the mafia in an attempt to even keep a foothold.

Strikeforce will be Strikeforce, the UFC will be the UFC. Changing of owners does not equal changing of all staff. I just foresee a lot of fighters released from the UFC going to Strikeforce and a lot of fighters in Strikeforce being promoted to the UFC. The UFC will be come the elite organization while Strikeforce will be like the development league.
 
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Sadly, I have to agree with the gentlemen above. It won't live because it's neither good right now on a business standpoint or by the fans' standpoint.

I'd like to compare it to NBA vs WNBA. NBA simply has more guys at this top level than the WNBA does. It's why the WBNA has empty seats, and a only VERY poorly run NBA organization has empty seats on a consistent basis.

Also, I hate to admit this. Half the reason (at least half, I think) women's MMA got even a touch of fame is because Gina Carano was a good looking girl. Was she even the best? She was relatively good. However, she wasn't the best.

The audience is predominantly male in the ages of 18-40. Yeah, we appreciate good competition. The women's division isn't providing good fights consistently enough to warrant keeping them.
 
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I think once the Showtime contract is up, the women are gonne. I find that unfortunate because the best of them are good fighters, and the best fights are very entertaining. But there just aren't enough good fighters. The Coenen-Carmouche was a good fight. So was Coenen-Kaufman.

If Cyborg was willing to drop down, you could have a decent 135 women's division. Cyborg, Coenen, Kaufman, Bazsler, Carmouche ....

But none of this is relevant, because Dana has long said he won;t promote women's fights, and unless somebody compelling comes along, he won't change his mind. Compelling meaning brings their own audience a la Lesnar.
 
#21 ·
There's really no reason to disband women's MMA. White has said that the only reason there's no women's MMA in the UFC right now, is the lack of high level talent, per weightclass. Overall, there's a decent talent pool, but, there's not a big number of high level competitors in each weight class.

However, I can go on Youtube and link dozens of videos of women competiting in MMA. Which means that its an innevitability that more high level female competitors will come to light over the next 3-5 years. Especially when you can put women's MMA and the UFC in the same sentence.

I expect that in 3-5 years the women's MMA landscape would look similar to the HW division's landscape. A handful of seriously skilled and wellrounded competitors, a bulk group of meh quality ponies, and a bunch of cans.

This however is comparing an entire segment of the sport to one division. My personal opinion: Lose 145, leave 135 (WW) and add 125 (LW). These weight classes cater to a larger group of competitors, hate to suggest to screw Cyborg, but Carano and Coenen fought her at nearly their walking weight. That change can add significantly to the likelihood of a deeper talent pool. Which is what White wants.

Look at the UFC's history. They closed down divisions because of a lack of talent. Zuffa did the same with the WEC, closing their LHW, MW, and WW divisions. I think a change in division is a much more intelligent option than throwing women's MMA out.
 
#29 ·
I'd say cut it or have it on as prelims or something. As womens mma goes cyborg is the only legitimate fighter I've ever seen. And people are all over her mad skills.. They are mad skills because she is a she. She doesn't hold a candle to even the mediocre fighters that are her male counterparts. I watch fights to the best fight. Don't get me wrong I enjoy an occasional brawl, but I pay to see the best.
 
#31 ·
I'd say cut it or have it on as prelims or something. As womens mma goes cyborg is the only legitimate fighter I've ever seen. And people are all over her mad skills.. They are mad skills because she is a she. She doesn't hold a candle to even the mediocre fighters that are her male counterparts. I watch fights to the best fight. Don't get me wrong I enjoy an occasional brawl, but I pay to see the best.
Coenen, Carano, Fujii. Just to name three other legitimate well rounded fighters.

I think they compare remarkably well to their male counterparts by weightclass. (135, 145, 115).
 
#30 ·
This is the only thing that concerns me in this purchase. Zuffa has made it clear that they do not want to mess with womans MMA... Strikeforce is the largest promotion that puts on womans MMA.

It doesn't look good for the girls with this purchase.
 
#40 ·
an organisation like the ufc doesnt have to waste valuable card space with these new divs and loads of talent everywhere to make room for the womens div, i mean maybe japanese promotions and bellator and smaller orgs wanna do it but no not the ufc and they shouldn't. im not going to say women dont do mma just quit, do whatever you want but most of us dont want womens fights on the biggest fighting organisation in the world.
 
#47 ·
Seriously? People still say this kind of thing in the modern day? What is the difference between men fighting and women fighting?

There isn't any difference. At all. If they want to fight let them. It's their choice. Your - rather small minded - view shouldn't affect whether or not these women can do what they love.
 
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We need to remind ourselves that the male fighters looked like complete shit 15 years ago. Its took years of evolution to reach what we see today. By comparison, women are at the beginning of their journey now. Of course they look like shit. They need to grow and evolve the same way. But no. some of you want to just eradicate it and get them biatches back in the kitchen, right? :sarcastic12:

Bollocks! I for one cant wait to see womens fighting evolve to the point where, maybe in 10 or 15 years, they will have improved as much, if not more, than the men have over their first 15 years in the sport. It needs to start somewhere. People need to stop criticizing these amazing women and support them instead.
 
#52 ·
Same here, I really enjoy female MMA for various reasons (some I'm not particularily proud of...)
But there are some decent wars in female MMA, of course the skill can't be compared to top of the line UFC fighters, but the potential is here to make it a big part of MMA in a few years of time, if promoted decently (and we know Zuffa can be pretty good at this).

SF could be the perfect "lab" for this, give it a bit more exposure, wait some time, see if you get some incoming talent and you can probably make it entertaining enough.

On a psychological level, female MMA is very different and brings another dimension to the table.

and well... I'm all for MMA and actual great fighters and whatnot, but come on, what is wrong with you guys ? you wouldn't watch two chicks going after each other for 15 minutes ?

truth is, I NEVER watch female MMA when my wife is around, I don't know how she would take it, feels a bit like watching some sort of "porn" in the way that you don't really do it in front of people... anyway...

all for female MMA, the skill's decent, so are the chicks, bring it on already!
 
#53 ·
truth is, I NEVER watch female MMA when my wife is around, I don't know how she would take it, feels a bit like watching some sort of "porn" in the way that you don't really do it in front of people... anyway...
If female MMA is some sort of lesbian porn substitution, what makes that then of male MMA¿ :confused02:
 
#55 ·
The people talking against Women's MMA sound just like the nay-sayers back in '92 and '93 when the Men's UFC first started. The talent pool was a hell of a lot shallower in the Men's ranks then than it is in the Women's ranks now, but people saw it for what it was - a genuine expression of combat, which showed the world what worked and what didn't.

Lots of people said it was too violent, even barbaric, that no one wanted to see blood pouring from huge gashes, that no state would sanction such a spectacle.

A funny thing happened, though - those in the know saw the true value of what was being presented, and it went on to change the face of martial arts and televised sporting events forever.

I wouldn't even consider paying to see a boxing match, but I'm the first one out the door to the local sports bar on UFC PPV nights. Lots of other guys feel the same way, and I think a lot of girls would too if they could see other girls testing their skills and determination and making a name for themselves.

The UFC really didn't take off until you could see fights for free on Spike, after which time everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Now, we need to do the same for the Women's division, give them the exposure they need to become mainstream and build a following.

The guys who are queasy about seeing girls defend themselves make me wonder - what would you want them to do if some putz assualted them and you weren't around? I would want my girls to be able to handle themselves confidently, using the skills that they picked up watching and practicing what worked for other girls in the same situation.

If you didn't mind watching teeth fly out of that sumo's mouth or seeing that pony-tail guy get a big new bald spot back in UFC1 and 2, I think you can handle a couple of sturdy girls duking it out for a few rounds. If not, vote with your remote. In any case, we should give them the mainstream exposure that the men get and see what happens. You just might be surprised...

More at:

http://open.salon.com/blog/sprawl_n_brawl/2011/03/14/womens_mma_and_girls_wrestling
 
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