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Thiago Silva hurt, Shogun's people "want nothing to do with Glover Teixeira"

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Thiago Silva hurt, Shogun's people "want nothing to do with Glover Teixeira"

The UFC's injury woes continue as Brazilian light heavyweight Thiago Silva has been forced to pull out of July's UFC 149 event in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Luckily for UFC president Dana White, promotional newcomer Glover Teixeira (18-2 MMA, 1-0 UFC) is both healthy and hungry for a big fight after a scintillating win over Kyle Kingsbury at this past weekend's UFC 146 event.

There's just one problem: According to White, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (20-6 MMA, 4-4 UFC) – Silva's original opponent – won't take the fight.

"With Thiago hurt, we turned to Glover and asked him to go right back in to fight 'Shogun' at UFC 149," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "But 'Shogun's' people are adamantly refusing to take the fight. They want nothing to do with Glover."

Teixeria, of course, is a protege of UFC Hall of Famer Chuck Liddell. The Brazilian started his career in 2002 fighting in the U.S., including four WEC appearances in the company's pre-Zuffa days. Visa issues forced the heavy-hitter to return to Brazil, where he continued to fight on his native country's regional scene while awaiting a chance to return to the U.S. In the process, he built a 15-fight win streak that included 12 victories in the opening round.

Teixiera finally resolved his immigration paperwork issues earlier this year and promptly signed with the UFC. He made his debut at this past weekend's UFC 146 event, where he wobbled Kingsbury with heavy leather before swarming for a submission finish with an arm-triangle choke.

After the win, Teixeira told MMAjunkie.com Radio that he was dreaming of potential fights with big names like Rua or Quinton "Rampage" Jackson. Now the UFC appears happy to oblige, providing Rua will eventually agree.

Rua is a former UFC light heavyweight champion who earned the title with a UFC 113 win over then-champ Lyoto Machida before surrendering to current title holder Jon Jones at UFC 128. Rua then rebounded with a knockout win of Forrest Griffin at UFC 134 before dropping a unanimous decision to Dan Henderson at this past November's UFC 139 event in a bout many experts considered 2011's "Fight of the Year."

White said there is currently no timeframe on an official announcement of the new matchup, but he and UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta are both diligently working to secure the new fight. One fighter is in, said White. Now he's just waiting on the former champ.

"'Shogun' wants nothing to do with Glover," White said. "But that's the fight Lorenzo and I are trying to put together."

Featuring a featherweight title fight between current champ Jose Aldo and top contender Erik Koch, UFC 149 takes place July 21 at Calgary's Scotiabank Saddledome. The evening's main card airs on pay-per-view.

For more on UFC 149, stay tuned to the UFC Rumors section of the site.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/28995/thi...9-ufc-wants-shogun-rua-vs-glover-teixeira.mma

What the hell's so special about Glover Teixeira?
 
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Are Shogun's people afraid of him or what?

so what if Shogun would get KO'd? As long as he comes to fight and does his best it's all good.
 
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The Hype Joe Rogan made about the guy his last fight probably has Shoguns camp a little spooked. Add in the fact that he isnt a big name and there is basically little motivation to accept the fight. Ofcourse not wanting to accept this fight while Dana White is trying to make it happen will probably get him a pay bonus incentive to take it.
 
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The Hype Joe Rogan made about the guy his last fight probably has Shoguns camp a little spooked. Add in the fact that he isnt a big name and there is basically little motivation to accept the fight. Ofcourse not wanting to accept this fight while Dana White is trying to make it happen will probably get him a pay bonus incentive to take it.
Do you really think Shogun and his team need Rogan to tell then who Teixeira is?
He's been "killing" people left and right in Brazil,
i'm sure they know how good that man is and how likely a loss against him is.
 
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Fellow MMAFORUM members what would YOU do if you were Shogun and what would YOU do if you were his manager.

I highly doubt Shogun is afraid of anybody...period. From a managerial and career standpoint what does Shogun have to gain from fighting a rookie... Glover should be fighting Gustaf, The Janitor, The Hippo...not a fricken bonafide legend at this stage of his career.

Damn right they refused cuz Glover is dangerous and there's NO UPSIDES to this fight other than money. I think it's an embarassment the UFC even offered it. Having the accolades (Pride/UFC LHW, Grand prix champ) and history Shogun or any legend has should hold some value.

I want to see Shogun vs Rampage x 2, Thiago Silva, Rashad, Lil Nog x 2, Hendo x 2, not a rookie man...not until Glover proves himself worthy.
 
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Fellow MMAFORUM <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">members</a> what would YOU do if you were Shogun and what would YOU do if you were his manager.

I highly doubt Shogun is afraid of anybody...period. From a managerial and career standpoint what does Shogun have to gain from fighting a rookie... Glover should be fighting Gustaf, The Janitor, The Hippo...not a fricken bonafide legend at this stage of his career.

Damn right they refused cuz Glover is dangerous and there's NO UPSIDES to this fight other than money. I think it's an embarassment the UFC even offered it. Having the accolades (Pride/UFC LHW, Grand prix champ) and history Shogun or any legend has should hold some value.

I want to see Shogun vs Rampage x 2, Thiago Silva, Rashad, Lil Nog x 2, Hendo x 2, not a rookie man...not until Glover proves himself worthy.
I hope you're not talking about Alexander Gustaffson, because Gustaffson's literally one win away from a title shot, some guy who just beat up Kyle Kingsbury shouldn't be getting top five fights.

Shogun vs. Gus works, Shogun vs. Rashad would be even better too and you can just give Gustaffson the winner of Jones/Hendo. I've wanted to see it for years and no one wants to see Shogun/Jones 2 or Jones/Evans 2, they're regressing, Jones is progressing. So why not? People aren't gonna buy UFC 149 anyway because of Aldo/Koch, Shogun/Rashad would easily help that card out big time.
 
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Rua and his management probably don't feel that Glover is a big enough name and doesn't deserve to fight a guy like Rua. I guess I can see it and I sort of agree. But at the same time this guy has a pretty impressive record and has not lost since 2005. In any case Rua has a lot more to lose in this one. Rua obviously has no desire to fight this guy, if this fight happens Rua might lose only because he will not have the motivation.
 
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This is one of those incredibly rare moments I find myself appreciating Chael Sonnen... just fight. If it's a fight the guy doesn't deserve because he's not good enough for you, then you should beat him soundly right? If he beats you, he clearly deserved the fight in the first place.
 
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I feel for Shogun, the guys willing to fight Rampage...who pulls out then Thiago Silva who pulls out and now he get's an unknown fighter who he won't be able to study and properly train for. It's rough for the guy.

However,

He was given a title shot against Machida with wins over Coleman and Liddell, a title shot which he lost and was then granted an immediate rematch. The UFC needs men to fight for the 205 title which means developing prospects. Also keep in mind he's facing someone who is actually two years older than him. But if Shogun loses then it's time to drop down to MW. Hell retire Anderson and hold a Grand Prix.
 
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is he even able to drop to MW?

and if he could, dropping weight is not the solution to everything. Draining your body affects your cardio and, I believe, shortens your career in the long run.
 
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Right now he's a .500 fighter at 205 in a division that's going to likely be reenforced with HW's. The current MW top five all features men who fought at 205. And for Shogun with his knee issues, cutting down his body weight can only help him. Right now he has maybe two years left at 205 at MW maybe he'll last till 40.
 
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Rua is 4-4 in the Ufc now, and were I can understand some points I can't understand others. Thiago Silva was probably a worse fight for him, silva is on a 3 fight losing streak and is probably lower in the ranks than glover. I feel like Rua maybe a bit scared here, he doesn't want to lose and he has nothing to gain, but I think he has nothing to gain from any other fight at the minute either. I think he's maybe 3 fights away from another shot at the title and I think he needs to realise that.

Shogun vs Davis makes sense here with everything happening.
 
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I understand why Shogun wouldn't want to take the fight. Glover is still unknown to a lot of casual fans, but he still has a lot of skills to give Shogun potential problems. In a nutshell, he's a nightmare for any top 5-10 guy who wants big names. It's almost like your fighting a can in casual fan's eyes that might hand you your ass, and if you win in a tough fight, no one is going to care even though you just beat an extremely solid opponent.

Ranking wise, Shogun can't complain. Silva has been going down hill and has been inactive a lot, so Glover is actually ahead of Silva in the rankings. Silva just has a lot more name value which ultimately should be what a fighter is after if they want to sell themselves. In my personal opinion, I think that Glover would beat Thiago Silva decisively and I'd enjoy watching that fight, so I'm sure Shogun's camp isn't trying to insult Glover or anything.

Props to Teixeira because of him looking for tough fights. He's obviously in a hurry to become a contender and it's nice to see he's not ducking anyone along the way. It would actually be cool to see him fight Shogun in more ways than one. Such as possibly wanting to avenge his friend's loss. :) They could hype him up as Chuck Liddell's protege wanting revenge. Kind of a stretch, but I can't say I wouldn't be excited.
 
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SideWays222 said:
the fact that he isnt a big name and there is basically little motivation to accept the fight.
That's your issue. Glover has some big power and looks pretty impressive, but he still has no name. Shogun has nothing to gain and everything to lose in this fight


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One word, Gustafsson. He and Shogun are two of my favourite fighters but I would love to see them go at it.

I was initially surprised at the idea that Shogun turned down a fight, but it does make sense. Word is that he's on very good form in training and coming off fight of the year with the current title challenger, fighting Glover is understandably not appealing to him. I think he'd accept fights with Gustaf and Evans, either one is a great match and makes more sense in the rankings.

Not sure why Dana is putting so much pressure on him to take the Glover fight, I hope this is sorted soon and Rua stays on the card.
 
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Dana is trying to push up and comers through the ranking for Jones other wise the devision is stuck. Using big names for up and comers is smart and if glover was to win then he would only be 1 fight away from title shot and jones has challengers. Problem is when fighters start to think there to good for fighters like glover then the devision is in trouble.
 
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Here are my top replacements.

1.) Gustaf
2.) Lil Nog
3.) Davis

Now if Shogun took Glover and took him out viciously I think that would put the LHW immediately on notice. But is the reward worth the risks. He loses to Glover and his stock will plummet like the Facebook stock!
 
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Thiago Silva suffered an injury and is out of UFC 149 event scheduled to take place in July in Canada, UFC and working to get a new opponent for Shogun.*

In an interview with MMAJunkie, the organization's president, Dana White revealed that the team turned down a fight against Shogun Glover Teixeira athlete who debuted last Saturday with victory over Kyle Kingsbury, but they have not given up this fight to marry .*

"We asked for Glover if he would accept this fight with Shogun, but Shogun's staff is refusing this fight. They want nothing to do with the Glover, "said the hat.*

Shogun, a former champion of the class comes from defeat in the epic struggle against Dan Henderson, while Glover has just made its debut in the category.

"But this is the struggle that I and we are trying to marry Lorenzo," added the president.*

Wanted by the tatami, Shogun's manager, Julio Heller, said that has not received any official statement from the UFC.*

"I read this issue and am waiting for the official position of the UFC. This (denying the fight with Glover) is unfounded. We are awaiting confirmation of the injured Thiago to see the options we have," said the manager.*

Asked if he would accept the duel x Shogun Glover, manager preferred to wait for confirmation of the UFC and said he will discuss the possibilities with the fighter and his trainer, Andre Dida, before taking any decision.*

The main event of UFC 149 will be between Aldo and Erik Koch, the belt of featherweights.
Dana, recently confessed to lying to Faber, may be blowing some hot air in our direction right now, I'm waiting for more info.

http://tatame.com.br/2012/06/01/UFC--Thiago-lesionado-UFC-quer-Shogun-x-Glover
 
#33 ·
This fight should never have been offered to Shogun. I'd rather See:

-Machida/Shogun III
-Rashad/Shogun
-Gustaffson/Shogun
 
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This was probably a get right fight for Shogun, the UFC is probably gonna do Shogun/Machida III for TUF Brazil and they likely want both guys coming off wins.

Rashad isn't a good style match up for Shogun, Shogun has gassed in every grappling heavy fight he's had in the UFC and Jones/Gustaffson is easier to market than a rematch between Jones and Shogun.

Really hope they do Shogun/Rashad though.
 
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Except, Glover is a gimme fight for no light heavyweight. He may not be well known, but the guy is legit and wouldn't be a walk in the park for Shogun. Of course the UFC may not have realized this yet.
 
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