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JDS vs K1 strikers? jds has this in the bag.

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#1 ·
he 2-0 against K1 strikers and he dispatched both of them with relative ease. cro cop verbally submitted after being boxed up for 3 rounds. Yvel got destroyed in 2 mins. sure hunt is making a great comeback(storyline-wise) but come ufc 160 hes gonna be in for a rude awakening. jds will box with hunt and make look like a fool, jds is faster, younger, longer, taller, more aggressive, more KO power and a better chin. i see a jds KO or a one sided beatdown for a UD win for jds.

Thoughts?
 
#3 ·
jds power is more proven hes KO'd higher caliber fighters and the same opponent they in common, struve, jds blasted a fresh struve in less than a minute, it took hunt 3 grueling rounds to finish him

jds power >>> hunt power
 
#4 ·
I'm hoping he's ditched his boxing first mentality.

He had so many chances to jump on Cain when he was missing those takedowns, its so hard rewatching that fight because Junior could have gone on top and beat Cain up but went back to the center to box.

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#6 ·
If he stands with hunt he will be crushed, yvel and cro cop are scrubs and this is mma striking anyways and hunt has already shown how much better he is than nearly everyone he has faced standing bar a mr. manhoef. JDS wins if he plays the takedown game
 
#7 ·
If he stands with hunt he will be crushed, yvel and cro cop are scrubs and this is mma striking anyways and hunt has already shown how much better he is than nearly everyone he has faced standing bar a mr. manhoef. JDS wins if he plays the takedown game
and what makes you think jds will be crushed, jds has destroyed elite calibre opponents and hunt has not. + hunts striking looks good because hes fighting scrubs and bottom level fighters.

KOing elite fighters like cain, mir, werdum >>> KOing scrubs like kongo, struve, tuschererer.
 
#17 ·
im not using mma math or k1 math you fool, still its proven jds has the advantage anywhere this fight goes.

power, chin, speed, reach, youth, aggressiveness all areas jds is better at, im sure you would love for hunts cinderella comeback story to come to fruition but you will be surprised with how easily jds will dispose of hunt.
 
#87 ·
it look like he almost finished both roy and carwin and he beat mirko to submission also he destroyed a fresh struve in less than a minute and it took hunt 3 grueling rounds to finish him. more proof that jds chin and power >>> hunts chin and power.
Both the dropping shots on Roy and Carwin were well timed punches, not huge power shots. The punch to Mirko was in his eyeball. None of that even comes close to proving your point.

I guess you didn't watch the Hunt/Struve fight where Hunt was purposely going into Struves guard and proving that he worked on his ground game. Then he proceeded to break the man's jaw.
 
#91 · (Edited by Moderator)
Both the dropping shots on Roy and Carwin were well timed punches, not huge power shots. The punch to Mirko was in his eyeball. None of that even comes close to proving your point.

I guess you didn't watch the Hunt/Struve fight where Hunt was purposely going into Struves guard and proving that he worked on his ground game. Then he proceeded to break the man's jaw.
if that shot that dropped carwin isnt a power shot then i dont know what is.

still jds finished a fresh struve in less than a minute jds dont need to prove no gay shit like grappling, he came and took care of business.

Yes because no possible way struve improved at all in the four years between those fights. Hunt is also significantly shorter than JDS so he was literally punching up which took something off his shots against struve.

Please stop with mma math.

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to me is jus sounds like you are making bs excuses for your hero, but when it comes down to it you know deep down that jds power and chin >>> hunt powe and chin. also jds victory over struve was more impressive than hunts.

It took Junior Dos Santos 3 rounds to beat Mirko CroCop. It took Gonzaga all of one round to KNOCK OUT Mirko CroCop.


Gonzaga Power and Chin >>>>>>>>> JDS

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yea sure but just remember jds brutally KO'd gonzaga in 1 round.



so your argument is worthless.
 
#13 ·
sorry bad guy i think your losing this one


Hunt is a clever fighter with not much to lose. Junior will be cautious. should be a decision to junior or ko for hunt

either way i agree that even the mma/k-1 math you are using doesnt add up

as has been well proven by others in this thread
 
#14 ·
If it was JDS vs. Semmy Schilt, stand up only, Semmy would likely murder him. JDS is my favorite fighter, but K1 strikers are in a different league.

To even bring up his fight with Cro Cop and Yvel is laughable, seeing as both of those fighters were WELL past their prime when they fought JDS.
 
#16 ·
that k1 tournament was a joke all the good hws are in glory and the only two good ones (hari after a jail sentence and gerges) were injured and he fought anothe rno name in the final.
 
#34 ·
Crocop was catching JDS repeatedly for most of that fight. Stop with the revisionist history he was winning but it wasn't a one sided fight until he finally managed to trap and swarm him which lead to the finish.

Striking is completely different in kickboxing and MMA so beating two completely over the hill exkickboxers in mma fights doesn't really tell us much other than he would probably be competitive.
 
#45 ·
I like both JDS and Hunt.

But it is funny when people try to analyze fights like it is a video game. JDS has this this and that. Who cares about reach, speed, and whatever? Roy Nelson and Hendo have some of the least technical striking, no reach at all, and they are fairly slow. Yet they find KOs over and over.

Why? Because they have elite timing. They have elite chins to get them inside. They have a sense of counter punching and finding an opening. No one talks about the important attributes. People like to talk measurable. How tall is he? Reach? Speed? Does he look technical? \

When you can put fist to face, none of that stuff matters much.
 
#49 ·
^^^^^All of this.

In another note. I can't say who has the better chin between Hunt and JDS, but JDS chin has been tested by taking several clean bombs from Cain, who was measured the most powerful hitter among a great number of HW, including professional HW boxers. If I remember well, Carwin tagged JDS very firmly as well.

And please ppl, don't refer the JDS knock out blow to Cain as a lucky punch. Perfect timing, precision and power led to that knock out and those you get by practicing a lot.
 
#48 ·
I like Mark Hunt a lot but I really think this fight will burst his bubble. Hunt is slow, flat footed, doesn't cut angles, and doesn't have very many weapons. He's also giving up 6" of height. That didn't matter against Struve but tons of people KO Struve, but JDS is certainly not Struve.


I hope this fight is competitive but if I were a betting man, I'd bet that JDS drops Hunt in the first and then picks him apart for two rounds. 30-26.
 
#53 ·
IMO, Hunt is beasting at this point in his career- he seems to have found a winning formula, and a real hunger in the octagon.

Couple that with the possibility that JDS's confidence may be at an all-time low...

Logic seems to point to JDS's speed/timing/technical ability as giving him the edge here, but I hafta' say, I have a sneaking suspicion that JDS may very well be damaged goods, and so I'm predicting MArk Hunt to punch his ticket for him.

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#69 ·
Getting KOs is more about where the punch lands than how powerful it is. If you have ridiculous power you can stun guys with blows to bad spots but if you don't land chin, temple, or behind the ear it is still unlikely you can put them away with one blow from it. When you are talking about middle weight and up the guys who have any kind of striking ability who don't get KOs are just landing in bad spots consistently. That is really all there is to it.
 
#70 ·
Absolutely. Technique over raw power. Anderson KOed Griffin with a backpaddling jab. However, in order to KO someone, you need the precision to hit the spots you mentioned and, of course, a minimum power to implement the KO as well.
So, to someone to claim Cain Velasquez lacks KO power is beyond comprehension when it is clear with a little more precision, so less power is required to do the job.

Edit: Absorbing capability of receiving chin plays major factor in this equation.
 
#90 ·
Motivated and fit Hunt is the most dangerous stand up fighter JDS has ever faced. Hunt is striking legend and to many people take him for granted. Long time best chin in the K1 bussines(maybe even in UFC) and brutal power in hands, plus tons of expirience.
I hope JDE desides to stand with him and dont take him to the ground. I belive he ll do that, stand and trade.
 
#92 · (Edited)
Was that seriously a triple post.....

Okay, first use the edit button.

Second, Bad Guy if you keep using MMA math no one will take you seriously.

Third, this thread is long run its course and is now just going in circles and is now going to be closed.
 
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