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#1 ·
Great fighter or Greatest fighter?

lol, but srsly. he was good back in the day and helped raise the sport to the level it is now. so how do you feel about ken shamrock? and does anyone know who/if he plans to fight?
 
#490 ·
What happens if Machida loses?

I was reading an old thread about Machida/Ortiz and someone brought up a good point. What happens if Machida loses to Ortiz at UFC 84? Now, this thread isn't for me to talk about Machida's overratedness on this forum, nor is it a thread for people to say "HUR, but Machida won't lose, HUR". I'm just interested in people's opinions on what would happen to him if he were to lose to Ortiz. Also, what do you think would happen to Ortiz if he were to beat Machida at UFC 84?

Let me clarify, I don't want people to say "But he won't lose" or "Won't happen" or any such thing. It is discussing a hypothetical situation whereby Machida loses to Ortiz. If Machida loses, and loses badly I see him dropping off the radar a bit and fighting on an undercard or two. However if he loses a close decision he'll probably stay on the main card and fight similar competition to Nakamura/Sokky (not those specific fighters, but people on the same level).

So what do you guys think would happen if he loses?
 
#491 ·
If tito wins I still don't see him staying.
Machida would probably fight like the loser of Rashad-Chuck, or maybe Shogun when he returns, Boetsch or Hammil. I really have no idea, but I doubt he get relegated to the pre-lims or anything.
 
#492 ·
The guys undefeated in the UFC with solid wins, a loss to Tito wouldn't send him that far back. A fight with Shogun would be cool though, both would be coming off losses if this scenario occured.

Now Tito, a win over Machida would help him out, Machidas getting alot of hype and being the first man to beat him would make his cash benefits go up and possibly put him into title contention. I actually would see him staying with the UFC if that happened. Well, actually it depends how he beat him.
 
#493 ·
If Tito really layed a hurtin on Machida, I wouldn't see Machida drop too far off the radar, I mean the guy is a good fighter with a solid record, he's not the most exciting but fans would still appreciate seeing his face.

I think he would fight a non ranked 205er like Hammil or Boetsch like TheNeg suggested.
 
#494 ·
Simple......They will put a 1 in the L column. He will fight again against someone that was mentioned by others. It will put him back to needing to get another 3 victories in a row or so for a title show instead of 1 or 2 more wins.

For Tito? Well, it would at least show he still has something left. Tito would use that as a bargaining chip for his new contract thinking he deserves a lot more. If Tito loses....he will go to a lesser organization and be top dog since he can't hack it in the UFC any more:dunno:
 
#495 ·
You can stick a fork in Tito Ortiz. He's done.

I'm sad to say that I expect him to go the way of the dodo (or at least the way of Ken Shamrock) and fight in smaller shows (though probably for more money).

I think that's what will happen even if Tito destroys Machida the way he did Evan Tanner. That said, I don't think it will happen.

However, if Machida does lose, I think that Thiago Silva will be very happy, and he should be. After all, then he's the only really streaking LHW. While he knows he probably won't get the title shot right away, I can't help but feel that without Machida, he's a much more legitimate contender (because Machida has remained undefeated despite fighting Sokoudjou, who many thought was the future of MMA).
 
#496 ·
I would kind of like to see Tito win this fight because I think it would increase the likeliness that he would stay in the UFC. I think there are some interesting fights for him still like Tito vs. Shogun, Tito vs. Silva 2 or Tito vs. Jardine.

A win over Machida would probably put Tito right back into the contender mix. As for Machida, I don't think a loss to Tito would set him back that far. Unless Tito really dominated him and finished him in the first or second round. I don't think that will happen though. I could see Tito grinding out a decision however.
 
#499 · (Edited)
We will be stuck with Tito Ortiz longer instead of just having him sink into oblivion. Then the plagues and natural disasters will happen and armageddon will begin. Before you go to sleep, pray to your god that Machida wins.

The funny thing is, Dana is really banking on Machida to destroy Ortiz so he won't look like such a dick for the adversity. And I think Ortiz is lame enough to actually come out and win just for that reason.
 
#503 ·
The funny thing is, Dana is really banking on Machida to destroy Ortiz so he won't look like such a dick for the adversity. And I think Ortiz is lame enough to actually come out and win just for that reason.
Ok I don't understand this you think Tito wants to win just to get to Dana? Don't you think Tito would want to win to make more $$ and possibly get into title contention if he were to stay with the UFC?

P.S. I do agree Dana is a motivator for him but it isn't the only reason why he would want to win the fight.
 
#500 ·
If Machida loses then he will probably have to work his way back up the ladder like anybody else that loses, He is 4-0 in the UFC and 12-0 overall, so he would still have a 750% win percentage in the UFC, which is better than alot of guys who are in contention ATM. You would also have to factor in what the other LHW contenders do in thier upcoming fights to see where he stands. An immediate Title shot would definetly be out of the question, but with a couple of wins and some other guys losing then he would probably be back in the Title picture.

It's not like Tito is a can or some no-name fighter, he is a former champ with a win over the current #1 contender as well as a draw with Rashad who is also a top contender.

If Tito wins, what happens to him will be up to him. He isn't getting a title shot unless he signs a contract, but if he beats Machida and signs a multi-fight deal than he will definetly be on the short list of Title Contenders. Even though Dana doesn't like Tito, Zuffa knows that Tito fighting for a belt = big PPV buys, so he might have to win one more or they would give him an immediate shot, this also depends on what happens to other fighters.
 
#505 ·
I think if Machida loses, he still doesn't fall far. The UFC's LHW divsion is quite stacked and he'll still be pitted against another top contender even with a loss...

If Ortiz wins, I think he still won't stay. His head and heart seems to be too involved in business ventures outside of the cage and White has treated him like shit...
I can imagine Ortiz taking the mic away from Joe Rogan and becoming all emotional as he tells the fans he loves them and that the octagon will always be his house...After which he gives Dana White a double flip-off and retires...
 
#506 ·
if machida loses the way i expect he will (to lay n pray tactics), then there will be a barrage of 'machida is overrated' topics on the front page. it won't affect him too much in the title hunt though, the lhw division is pretty messed up in terms of title contenders. (pretty much everyone has lost recently, or not fought big enough names)


tito will leave the ufc with his biggest win in years, he may even breach the top 10. i doubt he'll stay in the ufc as he's clearly stated that this is his last fight with them. he'll probably move on to other organisations and fight when he's a little low on cash.
 
#507 ·
If Tito wins very well, I see him signing back with the UFC. He would probably get more money, assuming its an entertaining fight/beat down.
For Machida, I honestly think Dana wants him to lose due to Machida not being a draw. This would be an excuse to have him fight on undercards again, and its probably what Dana is somewhat hoping for. Personally thats fine by me as I would much rather see other people (i.e. Thiago Silva).
 
#509 ·
I think even if he does lose that he wont drop too far, he will definately still be on the main card until he loses at least one more. The UFC will just have to find someone else to fight the winner of Forrest/Quinton and Machida will probably end up with the either Rashad or Chuck.
 
#511 ·
I like Tito Ortiz so if he wins I would be happy. He would leave with a win and over a really good fighter. I think the odds are against him to win, but he could. Machida is a good fighter, but Tito has a lot of experience. If Lyoto loses it will set him back a little but probably not too much. It's not like he will be getting a title shot soon anyway, the next season of TUF has to go through before we even see Rampage vs. Forrest.
 
#512 ·
If machida loses it will be his 1st loss in the UFC and also hes 1st loss in his career.. i think that will really hurt him.. losing to a former champ is not that bad.
 
#513 ·
We would welcome back tito to the top 10 205lbs in the world. He would likely sign another contract with the UFC, basically he would become hot shit, and be on the list "due for a title shot". While we're talking "what ifs" what if forrest beats rampage? Forrest would for sure be looking to avenge his close controversial loss to tito.. I see tito being back in business if he beats machida and maybe someone else after.
 
#514 ·
2 big things would change is Machida loses.
1) Machida may get under-carded until he gets a win or 2. The shows are so big now that unless you seem to be on a win streak or have a fued it is hard to get on the main card. Machida is an awesome fighter and I would hate to see this happen to him.
2) Everyone else would have a playbook on how to beat Machida. This is assuming that it isn't a 1 punch KO, which I am not really expecting from Tito, but hey it could happen.

But lets take the most likely way for Tito to win, a round 1 take down and quick GnP session, a la Forrest vs Tito. No one is going to take anything away from Machida for losing this way. Tito has finished much bigger names this way (none current, but you get the point). When Tito is good and comes hard all you can really try to do is like Forrest and survive, no one will blame him if he gets overwhelmend by a man who has been doing this for years. At the end of the day Machida gets a loss, goes back to training, and comes out and beats the next guy so hard Tito thanks the stars that he got the win instead of the beating.

And this is coming from a Tito fan.
 
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