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#1 ·
bloodyelbow said:
Chuck Liddell is training with American Top Team in a bid to get back on track after his knockout loss to Rashad Evans at UFC 88.

The news was revealed by his coach John Hackleman, who trains and manages Liddell at The Pit, the gym he represents when he fights.

Hackleman appeared on FightHype to answer questions from fans, one of which was whether Liddell was trying to round his skills out by training with ATT.

"Yeah, you learn something new wherever you train. He's always cross-trained and had people come in. He will definitely learn from Liborio and Matt," replied Hackleman.
Source:http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/12/5/682767/chuck-liddell-training-wit

I think this is good for Chuck but he still won't hold the title ever again.
 
#6 ·
thank God
now I can finally be excited about Chuck fighting again
hopefully he'll listen to these guys so he can get back to knocking fools out with that insane power hes been wasting lately
 
#14 ·
Liddell matches up with Silva perfectly I mentioned it before their fight even though I picked Silva my head was telling me Liddell would win.

However Liddell is a one trick pony. A counter striker who needs people to come towards him and fighters have figured that out.

Evans, Rampage, and Jardine all showed if you make him come foward Liddell isn't all that good.

Wandy won't win the title again either however Wanderlei's style gives him a chance to win any fight.
 
#15 ·
But there may be a change in styles, possibly to the really aggressive Chuck that was shown at UFC 40 against Babalu where Rogan said "Chuck never moves backwards"
 
#16 ·
That was against Babalu who was no threat striking.

And also Chuck has been coming foward it's just that he sucks at it.

Rashad KO'd him coming foward and so did Rampage.

He's 39 and in a stacked division full of guys who are better then him.
 
#17 ·
I think everyone is counting Chuck out way too early. I still think he has alot left. One thing that doesnt go away with age is power, and Chuck still has plenty of it. nI just think he has to tweak a few things in his striking. He obviously has a few holes and hopefully a ATT can help him with that. It also depends on who he gets matched up against. Im very curious what caliber of fighter they are going to give him in his next fight. Im not saying give him a can, but I think they should give him an opponent he matches up well against. Matt Hammill, or the winner of Shogun/Coleman.
 
#19 ·
Beating Matt Hammill proves nothing that guy is trash.

Liddell's biggest problem is that he is losing to guys striking who aren't even the best strikers at 205.

Rashad, and Jardine aren't excellent strikers at 205.

I mean I would rank both of them behind Rampage, Lyoto, and Anderson.

It's just different Fedor>ALL. Wandy will come right at you and he has a chance to drop you even if you have a smart gameplan him being a brawler gives him a chance no matter what, Liddell if you have the right gameplan is kinda screwed look at the fight with Rashad. They are both one dimensional.
 
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#22 ·
Chuck was winning on the score cards in the fight with Rashad though until he got knocked out, from what I recall. Rashad was trying to pull a Machida, but he loaded up on one punch and dropped Chuck. By no means was Chuck screwed in that fight. Chuck and Wanderlei are cut from the same cloth in my opinion, they're both relatively sloppy brawlers that can end a fight in one punch---coming forward and countering. :dunno:


Wandy uses knees amd clinch work, along with fists and kicks.

And a win over Hamill might not do anything for Chuck rankings wise. But it could help him with his timing and get his confidence back.

And Hamill is not terrible. I truly believe he held back against Franklin because of their friendship.
That's kind of stupid, no offense. Why would he choose to stand and punch his friend in the face if he didn't want to hurt Rich? If he truly held back, he would have just kept taking Rich down and laid on-top of him. Rich just tooled him with a more diverse arsenal, plain and simple.
 
#21 ·
Wandy uses knees amd clinch work, along with fists and kicks.

And a win over Hamill might not do anything for Chuck rankings wise. But it could help him with his timing and get his confidence back.

And Hamill is not terrible. I truly believe he held back against Franklin because of their friendship.
 
#24 ·
Chuck could probably be very boring and win a lot of fights by decision the way he won the first round against Rashad.

The difference between Chuck and Wanderlei is that Chuck is at his best when his opponent comes to him Wanderlei is at his best when he attacks his opponents.
 
#25 ·
Chuck could probably be very boring and win a lot of fights by decision the way he won the first round against Rashad.
I'd probably blame Rashad for that though, seeing as he took a round to figure out Chuck's rhythm.

The difference between Chuck and Wanderlei is that Chuck is at his best when his opponent comes to him Wanderlei is at his best when he attacks his opponents.
Yeah, but both guys can do the opposite of their strength as well. Wanderlei actually out-countered Chuck in the second round of their fight, and Chuck was actually more effective when he was the aggressor.
 
#26 ·
I agree but if an opponent doesn't come to Chuck he really can't do anything.

Chuck vs Wanderlei was a different type of fight IMO.

I don't see the way those two fought in it to carry over to fights against other guys.

Chuck comes foward and gets knocked out for the most part look at Rampage and Rashad. If he won't come foward Jardine showed you can just outscore him with kicks.

Wanderlei isn't a great counter puncher he eats a lot of shots and likes to just throw which works at times but he will lose his share of fights. He can also beat anyone at LHW but that's just how it goes.
 
#32 ·
I agree but if an opponent doesn't come to Chuck he really can't do anything.

Chuck vs Wanderlei was a different type of fight IMO.

I don't see the way those two fought in it to carry over to fights against other guys.
How so? Wanderlei countered Sakuraba beautifully knocking him out, and Chuck went balls to the wall against Babalu the second time they fought and he was the aggressor against Tito both times.

Chuck comes foward and gets knocked out for the most part look at Rampage and Rashad.
But those are two fights, I can name more fights where he comes forward and is the one knocking guys out. Rashad and Rampage are just better technical strikers, look at how low Chuck's hands are all the time, he's very unorthodox in comparison. Technicality has a lot more to do with him getting KO'd in those last two fights, not just the fact he likes guys coming to him because he's proven in the past he can be the aggressor.

If he won't come foward Jardine showed you can just outscore him with kicks.
Yes, and Chuck's best moments in that fight were when he was the aggressor, not when he was countering (in fact Jardine dropped him with a counter punch).

Wanderlei isn't a great counter puncher he eats a lot of shots and likes to just throw which works at times but he will lose his share of fights.
He throws a lot wilder than most guys, but I definitely think he's a capable counter puncher with his explosive short hooks.

He can also beat anyone at LHW but that's just how it goes.
Anyone can beat anyone in this sport, that's just how it goes.

Randy just sharpened up his striking and his grappling and he got older he didn't reinvent himself really. Also he went to two divisions that weren't close to as loaded as LHW is right now.
I agree, Randy didn't reinvent himself, he refined himself. That said, he refined his abilities enough to hold two more belts. If Chuck can tighten his striking, I really doubt that he'll have less of a chance at holding the belt than Randy did. Sure the LHW division is more stacked, but like we already concluded, it takes only one punch for someone's night to be over. The belt doesn't offer immunity to being knocked the hell out, and I guarantee Chuck will get a title shot again before his career ends.
 
#30 ·
Randy just sharpened up his striking and his grappling and he got older he didn't reinvent himself really. Also he went to two divisions that weren't close to as loaded as LHW is right now.

LHW had Tito and Chuck and HW had Sylvia and Arlovski.

Chuck would have to actually reinvent himself and at 39 in a loaded division it's just not happening.
 
#31 ·
Not with that kind of attitude :)

Chuck is still considered a top 5-7 LHW in the general rankings, i feel people are looking at him as 15+ LHW. will he ever be a champ again...prop not, but hesure as hell can make a huge impact on the LHW division
 
#33 ·
Well I guess it can't hurt him to try something new. Hopefully they will teach him to put his hands up. He's getting to old and slow to be fighting the way he does.

It's also hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I could see him beating forest, but not any of the other top lhw's, and by the time he got a fight with forrest, that belt forrest is wearing will be long gone.
 
#34 ·
Because the techinical skill of strikers now is to the point where Wanderlei isn't going to be countering the top guys.

Wandy isn't going to be able to counter strike against the bigger strikers of now day. I love Sakuraba but he doesn't compare to todays top LHW's in striking skill and power. Wandy loves to take a punch and give a punch when he counters and that works sometimes and other times he gets Knocked out.

Yes Fedor>all but how many of those fights you list are against good strikers? Babalu although I love the guy sucks on his feet Tito is solid but not an excellent and not on the level of today's top LHW's.

I mean Rashad lost the stand up to Bisping and then came back and KO'd Liddell while I'm sure Rashad improved a lot I think some of it has to do with Liddell just not being able to handle guys who sit back and wait for Chuck to leave them openings.

Wandy can counter punch he just eats punches when he does which is dangerous when you are probably the smallest guy in your division.

I mean that in his take a punch land a punch style he is basically playing rockem sockem robots hoping his opponents block gets knocked off first.

I don't see it I think Chuck is really done. Unless he fights Shogun or Wandy again someone who isn't a skilled striker the guys at LHW have a way to beat him now.
 
#37 ·
Because the techinical skill of strikers now is to the point where Wanderlei isn't going to be countering the top guys. Wandy isn't going to be able to counter strike against the bigger strikers of now day.
That remains to be seen. Keith Jardine is a fairly skilled, technical striker (not the best in the division) and he got his shit wrecked by a counter-punch from Wanderlei lol.


I love Sakuraba but he doesn't compare to todays top LHW's in striking skill and power. Wandy loves to take a punch and give a punch when he counters and that works sometimes and other times he gets Knocked out.
He doesn't compare, but I think anyone would get knocked the **** out throwing a kick like that at Wanderlei, regardless of caliber. I was just using the example to illustrate Wanderlei's ability to counter, which he further showcased against Jardine.

Yes Fedor>all but how many of those fights you list are against good strikers? Babalu although I love the guy sucks on his feet Tito is solid but not an excellent and not on the level of today's top LHW's.
Babalu sucked on his feet, he's actually come a long way, specifically with his boxing. Truth be told, most of the LHW fighters out there aren't technical strikers. They're diverse, but most are just moderately technical (like Jardine, Forrest, Rampage, and Rashad). There isn't really a LHW with the striking abilities anywhere near that of say Anderson Silva.

I mean Rashad lost the stand up to Bisping and then came back and KO'd Liddell while I'm sure Rashad improved a lot I think some of it has to do with Liddell just not being able to handle guys who sit back and wait for Chuck to leave them openings.
I'm still skeptical of Rashad's striking. He has good head movement and fast hands, but a lot of the stuff he was throwing at Chuck wasn't really landing, until the big one.

Wandy can counter punch he just eats punches when he does which is dangerous when you are probably the smallest guy in your division.
Yeah, thankfully he has a legitimately solid chin.


I mean that in his take a punch land a punch style he is basically playing rockem sockem robots hoping his opponents block gets knocked off first.
:laugh:, yeah, but he usually ends up throwing the best counters in those exchanges.


I don't see it I think Chuck is really done. Unless he fights Shogun or Wandy again someone who isn't a skilled striker the guys at LHW have a way to beat him now.
Really depends on who they match him up against and what he improves at.
 
#38 ·
Apollo Creed speaking to Rocky: "remember, you fight great, but I'm a great fighter"

Thats the Randy and Chuck situation. Randy is a great athlete and a great fighter, but Chuck just fights great...sometimes. Chuck is going to have a lot more trouble refining himself than Randy did, but its still possible. Chuck can beat most of the LHWs and I think he would do especially well against Griffin. But Chuck will never be able to beat Rampage, his style just cant get it done, which means Chuck will have to circumvent him to get a title again.
 
#41 ·
Yea I like Chuck I just don't see him getting to the top of the division but we shall see.

With Wandy I could see him going on a run of KO'in people I could also see him getting knocked out in a bunch of fights in a row it's kinda a crap shoot with him.
 
#42 ·
Am I the only one who thinks Wanderlei is still the exact same fighter he used to be. Same speed, power, and ability Its just that he fights nothing but tough guys. No more Japanese cans that dont deserve to be in the ring with him. He is bound to lose a few when hes fighting Hendo, Crocop, Liddell, and Jardine. Back in Pride he would fight a good fighter maybe once a year. Now he fights a stud every time he fights.
 
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