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#1 ·
Great fighter or Greatest fighter?

lol, but srsly. he was good back in the day and helped raise the sport to the level it is now. so how do you feel about ken shamrock? and does anyone know who/if he plans to fight?
 
#749 ·
I am very excited about this fight. I think its a really good one. It will tell us a lot of stuff. Like: Does Randy still have it? Can he still hang with the younger guys? Can Vera take on and beat a Legend? What will be next for the winner?
 
#750 ·
I'm not all that excited for it. The fact it is free will be the best part because I don't think I would have ordered it or wasted money at the bar on it. It will be interesting to see what happens after the fight though because I get the feeling if Vera loses he might have to find a new job.
 
#757 ·
UFC 105 isnt going to be pay per view? I actually very interested in the fight but I wouldnt pay for it. I am just interested in seeing who wins. I am a big fan of Vera so I hope he wins. I really want to see Dan Hardy fight. But if its free I will definitely watch it.

I agree with andrewp I think its time for Couture to really retire, same with Chuck Liddell.
 
#759 ·
Why do fighters do it?

We saw it in fights like Winner/Delgado, Henderson/Bisping, Rampage/Wanderlei 3, Gonzaga/Crocop, the list goes on and on.

Why do fighters throw those unnessecary punches or strikes once their opponent is already out cold? I don't buy that "heat of the moment" argument, because it is clear to everyone watching the fight (and I would think especially the fighter's opponent) that one fighter is out cold and any further strikes are simply not needed.

I think, that if there were to be a serious injury in the UFC it would come by way of an unnessecary strike once the opponent is out. I don't think the refs are to blame because these KO's happen fast and they cant always get there in time. The problem I think lies with the fighter, they need to understand that if their opponent is out, you don't need to risk serious damage by a flurry of power punches against a lifeless opponent.

Also, I'm certainly not against finishing a fight, but there is a huge difference between winning a fight by TKO and throwing stupid strikes against an already KO'd opponent.
 
#768 ·
We saw it in fights like Winner/Delgado, Henderson/Bisping, Rampage/Wanderlei 3, Gonzaga/Crocop, the list goes on and on.

Why do fighters throw those unnessecary punches or strikes once their opponent is already out cold? I don't buy that "heat of the moment" argument, because it is clear to everyone watching the fight (and I would think especially the fighter's opponent) that one fighter is out cold and any further strikes are simply not needed.

I think, that if there were to be a serious injury in the UFC it would come by way of an unnessecary strike once the opponent is out. I don't think the refs are to blame because these KO's happen fast and they cant always get there in time. The problem I think lies with the fighter, they need to understand that if their opponent is out, you don't need to risk serious damage by a flurry of power punches against a lifeless opponent.

Also, I'm certainly not against finishing a fight, but there is a huge difference between winning a fight by TKO and throwing stupid strikes against an already KO'd opponent.
What if you're fighting a guy like Randy who can take shots like that but snap back into it by the time they hit the ground?
IMHO it is fully on the ref to jump in and grab the other fighter.

But I do agree that those shots on a defenseless opponent can be extremely dangerous, I just think its a matter of the refs acting quicker.
 
#760 ·
I am going to go out on a limb and say you aren't someone who earns a paycheck or can advance your career by winning fights?

The fight isn't won until a the ref steps in, I am sure you know that.
There is so much riding on these fights for these guys. I think every single one of them would rather punch someone when they didnt need to, than let a victory slip away because they thought someone was out cold, when they aren't.

This isn't ballet. Why do people constantly bring this topic up? They are paid to win fights.

And win fights they do. I think you are a fan of the wrong sport if you find this a problem.
 
#762 ·
Meh, Mousasi has the class enough to stop when he KNOWS someone is out. But at the same time, where do you draw the line? When he KO'd Jacare by upkick he punched him a few times after he dropped, would you penalize him for that?

Or how do you judge when to punish a fighter? Not all cases will be obvious like Rampage vs Wanderlei III.



So what... should he get his pay docked? Or have the fight ruled a no contest? Or no penalty at all?

Who gets to choose when it's wrong or right?


It's up to the ref to step in, and I doubt there's ever going to be a case of a serious injury after the fighter was unconcious. Usually the KO punch does the most damage.
 
#764 ·
It depends on who is layed out on the mat. If it is an asshole like Sokoudjou who fought with the ref to continue when he beat Jan Norte and Bob Sapp, let his silly ass take as many extra shots as possible. Honestly though, there is to much gray area to make a firm rule on this, it would have to be on a completely case by case basis which would leave to much room for arguement. Keep it like it is now, its fair game until the ref stops it.
 
#765 ·
One solution can be that they are not allowed to, or are less likely to get KO of the night if whoever picks the winner of that decides there were unnecessary shots after they were KO'd. That way they can still keep destroying the guy if they want with no worry about getting in any trouble, but they won't if they want a sweet win bonus. That should prevent them from throwing extra shots when they KNOW that they are out.
 
#766 ·
This horse has already been made into glue, but since this is a thread you made and it is suprisingly not inflammatory, I can has answer.

I imagine the it's much harder from the fighter's perspective to know that the person it out. Also, what if the person is not out and the one that through the kick or punch let's off and ends up losing the fight?

Not a great angle, but what if while Hansen while celebrating, (because he thought he was out) Imanari got him in a knee bar that that Hansen couldn't spin out off? That shit would have about 12,000 threads on here saying how stupid he was.



As I said before, fighter's job is to fight, ref's job is to ref...seems simple enough.
 
#767 ·
It is a bit unsporting, and most people would rather cheer for a guy with honour. Then again at the same time, Hendo earned lots of respect for that punch on Bisping, I guess it works both ways.

Ultimately though, both fighters know the risks and fight willingly. You fight until it the bell or the ref stops it. It is one of the most violent sports in the world - the very idea of it is to inflict injury onto your opponent to stop him.

Anybody who has been in a real fight can tell you that when your adrenaline is pumping, especially if you have bad blood with your victim, primal instinct will usually take over.
 
#771 ·
I say you don't stop fighting until the ref stops you. However, there are some cases where it's obvious the fighter is done, so you should not follow up with strikes.

On the other hand, sometimes people play it off like the fights over which is even worse IMO. A good example is Thiago vs Koscheck... although I think the stoppage was good, I bet it would have lasted longer if Thiago went to the ground with him instead of just doing nothing and acting like he already won.
 
#773 ·
I think I should make it clear that I am talking about punching or striking an already KNOCKED OUT opponent. As in, his body is lifeless. The examples I gave were good examples of that.

Imagine the ref is really slow to stop it. How many more hits do you think Delgado or Bisping would have taken before it got ridiculous? Fighter's aren't caged animals incapable of rational thought, if a fighter is out...clearly out...you don't hit them any more, simple as that.
 
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