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Strikeforce vs. UFC, who wins?

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UFC vs. Strikeforce

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#1 ·
SF HW > UFC HW
SF LHW = UFC LHW
SF MW < UFC MW
SF WW = UFC WW
SF LW < UFC LW

That is my diagram of how I think the divisions stack up against each other, NOT which champion I think would win. If it were done that way, SF would win every bout but LW.

If it werent for the MW division being so low I would say SF has the exact same caliber fighters as the UFC. Their HW division is tons better. I could see any of their champions beating any of the UFC champions, minus Gilbert beating BJ Penn. Thats it.

Discuss and vote.:thumbsup:
 
#3 ·
kind of an odd thread, but ill put my two cents in

HW= Fedor vs Lesnar- too unpredictable, see any of the million threads about this.

LHW= Machida vs Mousasi- I would have to give this to Machida, but again, very unpredictable

MW= Shields vs Silva- Shields gets his shit pushed in

WW= Diaz/Zaromskis vs GSP- GSP beats either of them at this point IMO

LW= Penn vs Melendez- Penn wins anywhere he wants.

Thats just the champs, and honestly this is the only format Strikeforce could be competitive in, if you faced off the top five or ten fighters in each weightclass, Strikeforce wouldn't have the depth to compete.

UFC has the bigger roster and alot of the Strikeforce fighters are UFC castoffs. If Strikeforce continues to grow the way they are now, this could be way more competitive in a year or two.
 
#10 ·
That pretty much sums it up :thumbsup:

The only devision SF has wich can compete against the big UFC is the HW devision (And even those would lose in my mind). SF can't compete with the UFC..not yet!

Mousasi would not be the LHW champion!
Shields would not even come close to be the champ at MW!
Melendez beating The Prodigy no way!
Diaz vs. GSP lol

But one guy wins Fedor!!! ;)
 
#6 ·
I would take the top 5 fighters from any division in StrikeForce besides the MW division up against the top 5 in the UFC any day. The HW division especially would own the UFC's. Hands down.

I believe that sometimes the only reason people are so up on the UFC being the best is that is all they watch, and are used to hearing it all the time. You have become brainwashed IMO, and need to actually learn more about the fighters from SF before you judge.

Jake Shields has a MUCH MORE impressive resume than Anderson Silva. Check it out before you think Silva would "push his shit in"...

SF TOP HW

Fedor
Overeem
Werdum
Rogers
Silva

UFC TOP HW

Lesnar
Mir
JDS
Nog
Velasquez

Granted, it depends on who is matched with who but I think SF would win the majority of the fights.
 
#7 ·
There are a few big name stars in Strikeforce, but I think the UFC's got far more depth in basically every division. The only one that's up for contention is the HW division for me. You've got Lesnar, Mir, Nog, JDS, Velasquez and Carwin for the UFC compared with Fedor, Overeem, Werdum, Rogers and Silva for Strikeforce. Pretty even that I'd say.
 
#8 ·
I always liked the underdog more then the favorite, so i would say Strikeforce .. but since they have people like Fedor Dan Mousasi and many others i would be really careful by calling them a underdog..

Financially UFC is probably untouchable.. but i can only be sure if all these orgs would let me in their secrets of how much they really have..
 
#12 ·
Shields has a 'much more impressive' resume than Silva? Seriously? Shields has notable wins over Miller, Daley, Condit, Okami, Thompson and Lawler. That's hardly a mega impressive list of top tier fighters, especially when you consider that Silva's beaten Franklin twice, Henderson, Marquardt, Cote, Leben, Leites and Griffin. That's a better list of wins AFAIC.
 
#17 ·
The nature of the win was more impressive than the name, but Leben was seen as a real top quality prospect before that fight. He was on a 6 fight win streak and unbeaten in the UFC, with wins over Cote and Rivera. He's not a top tier fighter, but he's not far off the level of Shields' most impressive victories tbf.

Not really. Nog would beat Werdum, JDS would beat Rogers, Lesnar would beat Overeem and I'd back Velasquez to beat Silva. Only win for Strikeforce comes from Fedor.
 
#24 ·
Yes SF has 4 or 5 good HWs but UFC has 10-15 good HWs and its the same in any weight class its the same with DREAM they have a few good ones but UFC has far more this allows better comp and better match ups and this always gives you the question of are they only good because they not fighting the best ? e.g overeem he is ranked high in HW but has not beat anyone great in mma in a long time

oh and u cant have overeem in SF he not had a fight they in years....
 
#26 ·
And your just going off the Champs thats it??? UFC has everyone Else....

There Champs dont match up, I see brock winning, machida beating Mousasi, Anderson is just obvious, GSP, Obvious.... Bj Penn... And Other then StrikeForces champs they don't have any challengers.... UFC has a line in most....

Scott Coker, says there not trying to Challenge the Beast in UFC, just trying to put good fights together...

Lets dip in a little bit of UFC's fighters JUST in LHW on the top of my head....

Machida, Shogun, Rampage, Rashad, Jone Jones, Thiago Silva, Cotoure, Forrest Griffin, Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz.... And the other Champs like GSP, Bj, Brock, Nog and Mir, Carwin, Cain, Kongo, JDS....

Those names alone i just mentioned is more then there WHOLE organization....

StrikeForce.... More Talent? I haven't even got into the other Divisions....
 
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#27 ·
the op is so biased its no wonder this was started in the ufc thread because his opinion would deservedly get negative replies.

how can you say that the ufc and sf have equal welterweight divisions when you can barely name 5 of the guys in that weight class:confused03: much less rate them in any top ten list.

sf middleweight champ is really a welterweight in disguise and i notice that when someone put up the competition silva has faced vs. shields you immediately mentioned chris leben when i would put him up above most of the guys shields has beaten. its obvious who has faced the better competition:sarcastic12: because rich franklin is a can, lutter's a bum, cote has no chin or heart, and lietes has no ground game:bye02:

im not gonna even touch the light heavyweight nonsense because that is the most troll worthy of your entire opinion. Man i love mousasai but even with him them being equal to the ufc lhw division is too much much of a stretch to be taken seriously.
 
#29 ·
Gentleman, does anyone understand middle ground and being reasonable? In case my post is to long just read the bold part.

If Strike Force where to compete champion for champion, it would do alot better than if it had compete as a whole.

Let us set the rules. If Strike Force had to compete for 2 to 3 ppvs, using different fighters, with no repeats against vs the ufc how would it do if the 2 to 3 events where graded as a whole.

the events will be 8 fighters just for example

Fedor vs Brock... meaning win or lose the ufc or Strike Force would not be able to book Fedor or Brock again after this fight.

Strike Force does have it's front runners that might be able to beat some of the ufcs. Ranking means jack shit once your in a cage with someone. Brett Rogers proved that already. So assuming there are 16 to 24 fights... I'd assume Stike Force would get Molly wapped.
5-8 wins tops. The ufc just has deeper roasters to book, and Strike force would be forced to us to many B and C level fighters.
 
#30 ·
SF Hw really only has Fedor. Otherwise there division depth is way weaker than UFC. Werdum was 2-2 in UFc and hes probably there second best fighter. Fedor without a doubt though best HW ever.

LHW they got Mousassi and.... Babalu? haha UFC owns this weight class Gegard needs to go to UFC if we really want to see how good he is. There just isnt enough depth in SF to measure how good he is.

MW Anderson Silva would kill Jake Shields. Jake Shields has a record padded with guys who couldnt even get into the UFC and had a hell of a time with frickin Mayhem miller and almost got subbed by him.

WW Here its not even close Nick Diaz wasnt even very good in the UFC and the division has improved immenily since he left. I like the prospect Tyrone Woodley in SF though really good fighter with potential.

LW: I think melendez and thompson are both good fighters and would do well in UFC LW division just not good against Penn but nobody really would. I think they could win a lot of fights in UFC lw division though. But really all they got is those 2 guys and maybe Aoki if hes there.

UFC>SF easily
 
#31 ·
SF HW > UFC HW
SF LHW = UFC LHW
SF MW < UFC MW
SF WW = UFC WW
SF LW < UFC LW

That is my diagram of how I think the divisions stack up against each other, NOT which champion I think would win. If it were done that way, SF would win every bout but LW.

If it werent for the MW division being so low I would say SF has the exact same caliber fighters as the UFC. Their HW division is tons better. I could see any of their champions beating any of the UFC champions, minus Gilbert beating BJ Penn. Thats it.

Discuss and vote.:thumbsup:

You think Jake f***ing Shields could beat Anderson Silva? WTF
 
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