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UFC 123: Rampage Jackson vs Lyoto Machida

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#31 ·
This fight is another good example of why wrestling gets too much credit in the UFC's scoring system. Rampage pulled a Couture v Vera cage lean win, while Machida did some seriously effective striking, and grappling, including take downs and a full mount.... Rampage landed how many strikes??? not too many.

Garbage.
 
#33 ·
The funny part was that I think Machida did just as well against the cage as Page did. He reversed and had Page on the cage himself several times. I think where he lost was his response to Rampage's striking. The judges saw Machida backpedal in the first two and assumed it was because he was getting hit, when in fact he was simply avoiding being hit. Machida took some of the most solid strikes of the fight when he was engaging and besting Rampage in the third imo, but judges don't always see that. Close decision, but I thought Machida won 2 and 3. Certainly I can see how someone might call it a Page win on the 10 point must system, unfortunately that system kinda sucks. Judge the fight as a whole please...
 
#34 ·
Im sorry, but Machida literally did nothing during the first two rounds apart from one takedown that Rampage immediately got up from. I dont see how anyone can possibly give machida either of the first two rounds, all he did was back up and try not to get hit. He wouldnt even have won that fight if it were a point sparring match. The judge who gave the fight to machida is retarded.
 
#36 ·
And what did Rampage do in the first round? Oh that's right, he did some nice cage leaning after taking some leg kicks... I mean the first round was nothing really for either guy, but if you give points on strikes landed you'd give the first round to Machida, 2nd to Page, and 3rd to Machida.
 
#40 ·
Rampage clearly won round 2, Machida clearly won round 3. Machida did land couple leg kicks in round one but I do think Rampage did more on that round and deserved a win from it too, so pretty clear 29-28 decision to me.

I am amused though that Machida fans are calling this decision a robbery after that bs we saw on Shogun vs. Machida 1. :)
 
#43 ·
True Ape!

Many things worked against him in this fight, also the mental pressure coming in.. wich he talked about so many times.

Do you wanna see the rematch Ape? I think I would even prefer a match with the winner of Franklin/Griffin.

I think the UFC will try to get Rampage into a title fight somehow now..

Glad you recorginzed his weight difference too Ape. I truly believe it hinders him in his entire movements.
He just isn't the light Machida anymore.. he stands so heavy in there.. :(

I would really love to know how much he really weighed at fight night?!
 
#44 ·
Machida going for takedowns against Rampage would have just been a waste of energy and a big mistake likely ending with him on the bottom or against the cage eating shots or getting caught by a big hook.

He did exactly what he should have done although he needs to be a little more aggressive so he doesn't get robbed of decisions becuase of a lack of aggression/octagon control.

The problem with Machida is he is a one trick pony and guys are starting to get him figured out. He is a great counter striker but his opponents don't even have to throw punches to back him up.
 
#45 ·
Ape is just saying, that one or two Takedowns in the first or second, would have scored at least one of these close rounds to Lyoto (comfortably). Thats all he needed to get a deserved W.
Wich he is absoluetly right with!

On the other things you said, I disagree strongly of course.
 
#47 ·
Of course 1 or 2 takedowns would have won him the fight. Going for those takedowns would have lost him the fight in a more dominant fashion imo.

Machida trying to outwrestle Rampage is a horrible game plan... It keeps him out of his effective striking range and he isn't a great wrestler while Rampage has pretty good wrestling/clinch and is at home fighting in a short distance.

I don't even know where this takedowns talk is coming from... The guy has tripped/knocked down opponents a handful of times over his career, never dominated a fight on the ground and yet you think that should have been his gameplan? He is an elusive counter striker not a wrestler...
 
#49 ·
Of course 1 or 2 takedowns would have won him the fight. Going for those takedowns would have lost him the fight in a more dominant fashion imo.

Machida trying to outwrestle Rampage is a horrible game plan... It keeps him out of his effective striking range and he isn't a great wrestler while Rampage has pretty good wrestling/clinch and is at home fighting in a short distance.

I don't even know where this takedowns talk is coming from... The guy has tripped/knocked down opponents a handful of times over his career, never dominated a fight on the ground and yet you think that should have been his gameplan? He is an elusive counter striker not a wrestler...
...whut?

Machida took down, mounted, and attempted to submit Rampage with three separate techniques in the third round. He outgrappled him with ease in the third. I attribute the ease of te takedown as being part of Rampage getting rocked, but most of that groundwork was with a recovered Rampage (I see him as being "recovered" when he had the presence of mind to close his half-guard).
 
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