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Kenny Florian expects to win 145-pound title, go back to 155 within a few fights

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#43 ·
The guy is draining himself too much in hopes of getting the title. Honestly he looked like a starving Ethiopian kid at 155. The guy is going to blow away in the wind if he gets any lighter. I don't see Florian doing well against a healthy and not malnourished and dehydrated Gambuyran, let alone Jose Aldo.
 
#49 ·
I like when people try to use name comparison, and "he took it almost to a judge's decision against X" etc as a compelling reason.


Here's a better idea. Just look at each fighter's individual skills and attributes.



Aldo is faster, has much more effective striking, has had no problem against strong wrestlers, trains with the best guys. Florian is slower but has more reach, has sharp elbows that he's used for stoppages, virtually no wrestling, and good BJJ (although BJ submitted him almost instantly on the ground).


Aldo is also a blackbelt though I can't imagine Kenny winning by sub. The only chance I give him (if he reaches Aldo anyway) is by cut stoppage.
 
#51 ·
I like when people try to use name comparison, and "he took it almost to a judge's decision against X" etc as a compelling reason.


Here's a better idea. Just look at each fighter's individual skills and attributes.



Aldo is faster, has much more effective striking, has had no problem against strong wrestlers, trains with the best guys. Florian is slower but has more reach, has sharp elbows that he's used for stoppages, virtually no wrestling, and good BJJ (although BJ submitted him almost instantly on the ground).


Aldo is also a blackbelt though I can't imagine Kenny winning by sub. The only chance I give him (if he reaches Aldo anyway) is by cut stoppage.
Yeah, that shit is ridiculous.

As if I'm supposed to give more credit because he ALMOST didn't get stopped, or loses a wide decision in an uncompetitive fight.
 
#53 ·
Kenny used his jab nicely against Gomi but Gomi's boxing has looked really awful in the UFC. But Aldo has exceptional head movement and a great killer instinct, things Florian is lacking.




JDS uppercut - he also has the power Florian is lacking (and should be especially lacking at 145lbs).
 
#52 ·
lol kenny could not beat aldo.. he simply doesnt have the speed..
 
#55 ·
Because he realized he had no chance at the belt at 155lbs. He should be moving to 170lbs or even back to 185lbsIMO, he's got zero power at 155lbs and he's going to be in ghastly shape at featherweight.




Minus ~10lbs? Jeesh Kenny.
 
#61 ·
Kenflo has totally lost the plot and is in for a very rude awakening, imo.

Never fully liked him anyway, his arrogance leaves a bit of a distaste in my mouth as there isn't any humour to it, and he disguises it/avoids flak for it, by being polite sounding and intelligent.

Hated all that 'I finish fights' stuff it made me cringe.
 
#63 ·
I think 155 is Kenny's best weight class but the dude needs to put on about 10 pounds of muscle. In my opinion (and I don't know his situation so this is completely couch quarterbacking) he needs to add more muscle and cut more weight to 155. He looks so thin even at 155 that he's going to be ridiculously tiny for 145.
 
#69 · (Edited)
Well Overeem is a bad example, because he munched his way on roids upto heavyweight. Naturally, no way in the world he fights at HW nearly as successful as his doing now.

You should always be going down to find your natural prime weight. For me, personally, I think for Kenny that is 145. He is way smaller than guys like Maynard etc. You can weight drain further (fluid cutting) without actually cutting fat and I'm sure Kenny doesn't struggle to make 155 when he is lean.

Someone said Anderson has power, not that much, people get power confused with timing sometimes. Anderson has timing, which gives the effect of power.

Aldo has mediocre hands. I've seen his entire career, including all his availible fights before UFC and no way you can call his hands good. Much like Shogun doesn't have that good hands (knockout power is not the same as technique). The only Muay Thai fighter with very goods hands in Anderson Silva. Other fighters who can use their hands in MMA are Eddie Alvarez, Frankie Edgar, Junior Dos Santos etc and all these guys use a boxing rather than Muay Thai base. Wait until a lot more guys use boxing, people are going to see just how good it can be if you know how to take the kicks. Look at Nathan Corbett, he is basically a good boxer and rips apart the best competition in the world at Muay Thai in multiple weight divisions.
 
#70 ·
Well Overeem is a bad example, because he munched his way on roids upto heavyweight. Naturally, no way in the world he fights at HW nearly as successful as his doing now.

You should always be going down to find your natural prime weight. For me, personally, I think for Kenny that is 145. He is way smaller than guys like Maynard etc. You can weight drain further (fluid cutting) without actually cutting fat and I'm sure Kenny doesn't struggle to make 155 when he is lean.

Someone said Anderson has power, not that much, people get power confused with timing sometimes. Anderson has power.

Also has mediocre hands. I've seen his entire career, including all his availible fights before UFC and no way you can call his hands good. Much like Shogun doesn't have that good hands (knockout power is not the same as technique). The only Muay Thai fighter with very goods hands in Anderson Silva. Other fights who can use their hands in MMA are Eddie Alvarez, Frankie Edgar, Junior Dos Santos etc and all these guys use a boxing rather than Muay Thai base. Wait until a lot more guys use boxing, people are going to see just how good it can be if you know how to take the kicks. Look at Nathan Corbett, he is basically a good boxer and rips apart the best competition in the world at Muay Thai in multiple weight divisions.
Exactly :thumbsup:

That was all what I was trying to say. Just look at Buakaw's entire career. Called the best Muay Thai fighter in the world back then. He just couldn't adapt to guys who had excellent hands got knocked down while facing great Kick-Boxers.

This is just a regular Muay Thai phenomena. Even Shogun like you said Fine Wine, doesn't even have the best hands.

Silva is by the far the best with his hands, but the reason for this is, he is not really your regular Muay Thai guy. He is a striking phenomena who uses every striking art there is combined to one deadly one.:praise01:
 
#73 · (Edited)
You've got to be kidding me.

He is 2-1 on the Brazilian bum circuit and that's a good boxing base?

Jesus Christ.

...Buakaw....the dude is something like 145 and 21, the dude only loses to other elite fighters period, regardless of style.


Saying Aldo has only faced cans is almost ignore list level stupidity. I may kist go vomit and meanwhile never post in this topic again.
 
#75 · (Edited)
he also has a Boxing base as good as most in MMA.

People try to say Nick Diaz has a boxing base because he fought cans, most guys in MMA have SH*T boxing, simple as that. Anderson has as good boxing as most in MMA (bar the few I already mentioned, particularly Alvarez, Dos Santos).

Aldos hands are not good in comparison to the top boxing guys in MMA, it is that simple. If you disagree, you need to learn punching technique. You will see when he fights Florian what a jab can do, despite Aldo being a LOT better athlete and having many more skills and natural talents than Florian, the jab will be one weapon Aldo struggles with because 1) It works, 2) Aldo has never dealt with this before and 3) Aldo doesn't have a good jab nor the technique in his punches to counter it.

And yes yes, we all know Aldo has wicked leg kicks, but this is about what people are failing to see, anybody can point out the obvious.
 
#77 ·
lol, come on, its not the leg kicks that make him a great striker, its the explosiveness, accuracy, timiing, reflexes, that he has, his actual striking instincts are way beyond the normal strikers

i agree he doesnt have great hands like boxing, but like you pointed out thats just something natural for MT guys, they tend to lack great technique in just their hands

still, they make it work in MMA, and make it work very well, at the end of the day aldo has sick MT with great speed and power, technique or not, he will always be dangerous even to boxers, also i think its simply better to have great MT instead great boxing, MT = knees, elbows, kicks and punches while boxing = punches

i think anderson proved against vitor that the more tools you have in your toolbox, the better:thumb02:

and its not as if kenny has elite boxing, he has average MMA boxing:confused03:...nothing special at all, i doubt he can actually hang with aldo

even if he had the best technique in the world, technique doesnt get you that far, any1 can develop great technique through time, but it takes a true elite striker to have that natural timing, reflexes, speed and power like aldo has
 
#80 · (Edited)
Yes, agreed, Aldo has a lot more than leg kicks, he does have all those things you stated. Completely agree. Again, I am not down playing Aldo, I'm just pointing out Florian has a very big weapon that isn't often seen in MMA.

Well pure boxing = hands. I am talking about good boxing adapted to MMA, these guys can throw the odd kick, also use knees etc. I am talking about the likes of JDS and Alvarez. This I would take any day of the week over good Muay Thai. And JDS and Alvarez, while there boxing is good, it isn't great. Wait until a lot more guys come in using their hands now it is being known as effective, you are going to get great ones (the equivelent of Aldo at Muay Thai), and they are going to be devestating. Unfortunately right now, the best guys at using their hands stick to boxing because they have the potential for a lot more money. But once again, agreed, Florian is not this.
 
#81 ·
Massive Overrating of Aldo and Massive Underrating Florian.


Kenny has 15 fights in the UFC thats amazing for starters soon to be 16.

He has 4 losses out of 15 fights while in the UFC and most you talk about him like he is a can :confused05:

3 of those losses came against the the Number 1# contender OR champion and the other at weight class he shouldn't be fighting also note this was his 5 th fight only.

13 finishes in 19 fights total and 10 while in the UFC , yea Florian is so bad :confused05:


Diego Nunes for starters is a decision machine and his best win is Mike Brown by Split decision who is also arguable Aldo's best win also has lost 4 of his last 6......


The FW division isnt that great , Florian might lose but dont just write him off like some can he might surprise you:thumb02:
 
#82 ·
No one is saying Florian is a bad fighter, people are saying that he isnt as good as Aldo.

Florian is not a championship calibre fighter, he's very good, but he will never be the best.

Aldo is a freak talent and is ultimately a more skilled fighter.
 
#86 ·
But why is he a freak talent ? he is fighting guys who arent that good and smashing them. I give credit to him for winning and looking good but he isnt some once in a life time fighter , he has lots of questions to answer and is yet to face a world class fighter , Florian so far if they meet will be the closest he is come to fighting one.
 
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