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Who wins between Nick Diaz and BJ Penn

NIck Diaz vs BJ Penn

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#1 ·
Who takes it?
 
#3 ·
Pre-Frankie Edgar, I would have said Penn by frikkin annihilation. But after watching Diaz vs Daley, and seeing Penn's heart fall apart in Edgar 2, and vs Fitch, I really don't know... I still lean towards Penn but wouldn't be surprised if Diaz pulled it off.
 
#12 ·
Squirrelfighter Pre-Frankie Edgar, I would have said Penn by frikkin annihilation. But after watching Diaz vs Daley, and seeing Penn's heart fall apart in Edgar 2, and vs Fitch, I really don't know... I still lean towards Penn but wouldn't be surprised if Diaz pulled it off.
Bj wouldn't let some punk kid beat on him, i see BJ out classing the stand up. And Diaz trying to hard and BJ smashing him down...

I see this fight as a BJ vs Sanchez remake :thumbsup:

BJ via ass whooping, JUST because someone like Frankie can do what he did, there is no way in hell Daiz would of lasted with Fitch like BJ, so if you want to ignore styles makes fights than think about his LAST fight lol against Fitch where he won the first 2 rounds hands down


And obviously Diaz isn't going to be able to pull of some Gorilla BJJ
 
#18 ·
fitch and diaz are completely different fighters. fitch lasted because he's well-rounded with a powerful threat of takedowns. but he's not a very good striker. good enough to defend and set up his ground game, but not finish. diaz has no takedowns so any fight with bj would be a standup war. i think it could go either way. barring a cut diaz has a great chance to win this hypothetical fight.
 
#13 ·
Taking BJ by TKO 2nd round. Would be an excellent fight. It's a shame Nick has said he'll never fight Penn.
 
#16 ·
I think BJ takes it, It think BJ has better boxing, you can talk about all Diaz`s wins standing but lets be real the guy gets punched in the face a lot, something Penn doesn`t do. Even if Diaz does somehow gain an advantage standing BJ could take him down at will and despite having a good BJJ game something Diaz has never done is earn any hardcore BJJ credentials and BJ has been to the top of the mountain. Better ground game, better wrestling and IMO better striking. This is BJ`s fight and stylistically the worst match up outside GSP for Diaz in the entire WW division.
 
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#19 ·
Honestly i think BJ Penn is better at everything ( IMO ) other than having an aggressive guard.

Diaz only has a reach and size advantage to utilize IMO, but that really does matter in fighting so i think it would be close and it would depend upon how Penn's cardio is, if its reasonable and holds up for 3 rounds he will take the fight.
 
#24 ·
Diaz has great recovery because of his cardio, but he does get dropped pretty regularly against good strikers. The strikers he has been facing have been hesitant to follow him the ground. BJ wouldn't have that problem and would follow up with some nasty G'n'P for the win.
 
#26 ·
Standup - BJ
BJJ - BJ
Cardio - Diaz
Wrestling - BJ

On paper, BJ is the better fighter and I think he'd be motivated for this fight.
 
#27 ·
BJ. He won't let Diaz bully him in the stand up by being forced into the cage. I think BJ will land flush and drop Diaz, then follow up with some GnP and a RNC.

BJ is better in every area. Stand up is debatable, but Diaz leaves himself wide open. BJ's chin is also better, and he hits harder.

Not saying it's an easy fight, Diaz isn't an easy fight for anyone. But BJ takes it imo.
 
#32 ·
One question: how high is Nick Diaz during the fight?

I think Diaz wins the fight if you let him take some bong hits in the back before the fight, he'll test positive but he'll pull off an inverted gogoplata or TKO Penn using his stoner boxing. If he has to pass a drug test then BJ should win the fight without too much trouble.
 
#33 ·
If they were the same size I would pick BJ Penn, because overall he's the better skilled fighter. But when you take into account the height advantage (5'9 compared to 6'0), reach advantage (which Nick uses really well), and endurance factor I have Nick edging over. BJ is know to lose a bit of heart if he isn't dominating his opponent, and Nick's the opposite. Both have similar skills sets (Boxing, weak wrestling, good BJJ), but you have to add in all the other intangebles. Not to mention that I believe Penn peaked 2-3 years ago, and Nick is now peaking.
 
#36 ·
If they were the same size I would pick BJ Penn, because overall he's the better skilled fighter. But when you take into account the height advantage (5'9 compared to 6'0), reach advantage (which Nick uses really well), and endurance factor I have Nick edging over. BJ is know to lose a bit of heart if he isn't dominating his opponent, and Nick's the opposite. Both have similar skills sets (Boxing, weak wrestling, good BJJ), but you have to add in all the other intangebles. Not to mention that I believe Penn peaked 2-3 years ago, and Nick is now peaking.

Would that be BJ's weak wrestling that has given him almost legendary TD defense or the weak wrestling he used to out wrestle the former captain of the Purdue wrestling team and NCAA Divsion 1 wrestler? :dunno:
 
#37 ·
Good point and you are right. Weak wrestling is a big term that doesn't apply. The only reason I said that is because he rarely uses it (exception being TDD which is great at) and I don't see him using it with Nick. He'll stand a bang, which is his strongest point anyway IMO.
 
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