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Vancouver Riots Blamed on UFC, NHL By School Board Chair

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#1 ·
Media and society played a role in building up the atmosphere that contributed to last week’s riot, according to Vancouver School Board chair Patti Bacchus.

Bacchus has been tweeting about the violent fallout from the Stanley Cup Final for several days. She has been highly critical of demonizing the vandals and for suggestions they be jailed.

Bacchus’ tweets included:

—Oh critical thought & analysis—why have you forsaken us? Quality of post-riot discourse by media and politicians most embarrassing of all

—Important to reflect on why so many young men feel so apparently alienated and angry in our society

—Talking tough on law and order and locking up perps not the authentic solution to deeper societal problems.

The Vision Vancouver trustee argues restorative justice is the best way to deal with rioters, particularly first-time offenders.

“From the perspective as a parent and trustee, [the reaction has been] shocking to me because the justice system doesn’t jail young people who do one stupid thing as a first-time offence, that have never been in trouble before, particularly under extremely unusual circumstances that we don’t fully understand,” she told the Courier. “We have a justice system that acknowledges that minors don’t have the full brain development even to be fully responsible for their actions. The fact that we didn’t see 50-year-old women rioting tells me there’s something physiological and biological going on that makes these young men and teenage boys particularly vulnerable to a situation of mob hysteria.”
Bacchus said a teen’s impulse control isn’t fully developed and that, and other factors, should be explored in the wake of the riot. She added the hype was cranked up in the days before the final with sentiments such as “We’re all Canucks.”

“The painted faces and hockey itself—it’s aggressive, they celebrate the brawling on ice, it’s winning, it’s dominance. If kids are all watching a UFC game and cheering someone for bloodying up someone else’s face, how big a leap is that from cheering on someone smashing a window?It’s very mixed messages we’re sending to young people who are still in a stage of developing their impulse control and moral development.”
Windermere secondary uses restorative justice to deal with disputes, violence, bullying and vandalism. It’s a voluntary process where victims and perpetrators meet to discuss the crime and its effects, and to determine a consequence.

“Part of the purpose of restorative justice is to give the young person a chance to take responsibility and set it right and go away with feeling they’re more of a man or woman for the process—it’s not shaming, it’s not humiliating,” Bacchus said. “It’s acknowledging people make mistakes and part of doing the right thing is learning from your mistakes.”
Associate superintendent Jordan Tinney said the district hasn’t received confirmation of Vancouver students being involved.

“[But] we offered [the police] the services of any of our secondary school administrators to view any of the photos or video images of anyone involved in the riot to provide our support,” Tinney said, noting secondary schools have police liaison officers, so there may be conversations at the school level.
Vancouver police aren’t revealing if Vancouver students have been implicated due to privacy laws.
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How ignorant can you be...
 
#4 ·
I get what you're saying.
But it must piss you off when someone opens their mouth without using their brain.

1. why haven't we seen any riots after the UFC 115 event in Vancouver?!

2. why haven't we seen any riots after other UFC event in Canada - Toronto or Montreal?!

3. there have been more than 170 UFC events since the UFC started. How many of them have been followed by riots?!

ZERO!!!


Brent Brookhouse (Bloody Elbow) said it best:

And really, it all makes sense.

In 1994, after losing game seven of the Stanley Cup finals to the New York Rangers, Vancouver fans rioted. This, mere months after UFC 2. The angry mob was, of course, not driven by a combination of angry Canucks fans and idiots looking to cause trouble. They were fueled with the anger of 1,000 Pat Smiths, ready to lapel choke the city after yet another Royce Gracie tournament win.
:sarcastic12:

It didn't seem ignorant or stupid to me, I guess I'm a dummy too. What's the "smart" answer? boys will be boys??

advice worth heeding.
There's a saying in romanian:

"Rather than say something stupid, better take a s*it in your mouth and shut up"
 
#3 ·
i read this hours ago the school deputy or whatever sounds cunty, and wacth a UFC game? you dumb hooker shut up before you say dumb shit
 
#7 ·
I really hate when people blame things on what they think influences them.(bviously mentally stable people are not who I am about to talk about because if something is wrong with you then the norm doesnt apply)

Truth is this after a certain age maybe 6 to 7 a child knows what consequences are, some younger even fewer older. We are talking about teenagers and older being influenced by something THEY choose to be influenced by. NOONE does anything they dont want to do PERIOD!
They blame cartoons, but no one has ever walked off a cliff...BECAUSE THEY WOULD DIE! They blame music, but no one OD's on drugs....CAUSE THAT WOULD SUCK FOR THEM! They blame video games, but...do I really even need to go there.

People do what they want to do and are influenced by things they already have an interest in. If the UFC did anything it was let people know that there is an outlet for your frustration in which you can be on TV and get paid.
 
#11 ·
This is so sad really. Its tough to take this topic seriously at all just by reading the title. If rioting was a direct result of the UFC wouldn't we be seeing riots after every event in every city?

Of course the problem with the writer of the article is that no matter what we said they would still have that same opinion. It's ignorant attitudes like this that work as hard as they can to fight against the progress of MMA into the mainstream.

Sure MMA is a great scapegoat, its violent and it generally attracts a certain crowd. Somehow this crowd is able to go through a whole evening of drinking and high energy action and goes home or to the hotel without burning cars, breaking windows and trying to beat up the local police.

But this same crowd apparently waits until another sport comes along and riots because they are displeased, all because they are UFC fans......hmmmm.

The police and the media are reading way too much into this riot. You have 100k + people standing outside for hours and hours. Most of them are piss drunk, lots of them are at that age where they have nothing to lose (or so they feel) and their emotions are at a peak due to the nature of the scene and the event. A few jackasses decide to cause so havoc and their primal instincts kick in and chaos ensues. This has nothing to do with MMA or the UFC, it has everything to do with people looking for trouble.

Anyways I get the feeling I could rant about this for the whole day. My point to the writer, you really are a sad individual. To the rioters, get your heads on straight.​
 
#13 ·
Not only do people cheer, but the Refs actually hold people back to let the fight ensue.

If we want to blame a sport ... let see now... how many times has Vancouver been in the final stanley cup playoffs? uh, 2 times... how many times have we had riots during that time? hmmm... see now... 2 times. So we are one for one riot per hockey playoff final... lets see... clearly its the UFC's fault :sarcastic12:
 
#15 ·
It is funny that the writer completely ignored the fighting aspect of hockey. For anyone that doesn't watch or doesn't know, fighting in hockey is one of the times during the game that nobody is going out to get popcorn or going to the bathroom. Its an important part of the game that obviously creates a lot of excitement for the fans and the players as well. We don't see riots after hockey games with lots of fights, typically we have fans that enthuse about it after the game is over and its left at that.​
 
#17 ·
Fights are needed in hockey because if Player A boards Player B then Player C needs to punch him in the face repeatedly. A lot of fights are for show but the self policing is necessary otherwise you get things like in the NBA with the Suns/Spurs a few years ago. Nash gets kneed in the balls and body checked into an announce table and the Suns get no justice and more players suspended somehow. Hockey fights aren't exciting to me but I'll be done with the NHL the second they take them out.
 
#19 ·
Totally agree here. When I see well experienced, trained professionals engaging in their careers I feel the need to go out and senselessly recreate it.

In the same way that when I watch police shows I feel the need to pull guns on people.

In the same way when I watch military shows I invade Poland.
 
#20 ·
Nice to see people using logic and common sense on this board.

I just remembered: last month when FC Barcelona won the UEFA Champions League in soccer, their supporters celebrated on the streets of Barcelona, but later, the celebration turned ugly: broken cars, store windows...stuff like that.

I guess it's just human nature, like demoman said.

I believe people would have rioted in Vancouver no matter the outcome of the hockey game.

If the Canucks would have won it would have been the same thing no doubt.

It's just a shame stuff like this happens.

And it's even worse that public figures - paid from the contributors' money - talk s*hit without knowing what they're talking about. :thumbsdown:
 
#25 ·
If the Canucks would have won it would have been the same thing no doubt.
no they wouldn't have, just like they didn't when canada won gold in vancouver last year... if anyones to blame its the retards in vancouver who decided it would be a good idea to have multiple locations through out the city where mass amounts of people could gather together to watch the game on jumbo trons when they already have a passed history of rioting. they should be more focused on keeping people off the streets in those situations
 
#21 ·
How about they blame alcohal? You can bet they were liqoured up, but hey lets blame it on something completely irrelevant in the UFC. Even if the UFC didn't exist, it's human nature to follow the leader, so if one bad seed wants to tip a car, you can bet the rest of the drunken goons will jump right in to help.
 
#23 ·
How about they blame alcohol?
Honestly?! NO!!!

That's everyone's excuse: everyone who drinks and than commits a crime, ****, fellony...or stuff like this - blames it on the alcohol.

It's wrong.

Everything has to do with education.

Look at this video:



A drunk guy, in the middle of the riot, who acts like a normal person should act. (starting from 2:00).

And check the guy in the hat: how he chickens-out when confronted.

It's typical crowd mentality: even the weakest person thinks he's the toughest SOB when others around him act the same way, but once he's confronted and separated from the crowd, he shows his true colours/value.

Another example here:




And of course, i don't know if you heard/seen this guy:



 
#27 ·
If this guy had said this to me I would have back handed him across the face and told him to shut his whore mouth when he spoke about mma.

 
#29 ·
You never watched wrestling as kids and went and did it in your backyard or basement?

We sure did. And some of us got really hurt.

Of course MMA encourages kids to fight and cheer each other on in schools, at bars, everywhere. It glamorizes fighting ...more importantly, winning.

The reality is, guys like Dana White think it's cool in a cage with a ref. NOT outside of a class. Whereas wanna-be tough guys think it's badass to walk around all puffed up wanting to fight anyone who looks at them badly.

I guess what I'm saying is, as a MMA fan, it's impossible to deny any of what she's saying. She didn't blame it on the UFC, she was just saying how it's a sport where people celebrate violence. And when you watch those videos, clearly people enjoy spectating, encouraging others to fight for their entertainment.

...EVEN though that has been around a lot longer than the UFC.

All we can hope for as UFC/MMA fans is for the true ambassadors to show their disgust in displays like what happened in Vancouver and show the world who doesn't yet enjoy MMA that it's more than being a tough guy on the street.
 
#30 ·
I live in Vancouver and I was in downtown when the riot occurred.

Believe me, the riot has NOTHING to do with the UFC. Absolutely ZERO.

UFC tickets were selling for chump change because of the NHL playoffs. The NHL is GOD here, UFC is jack shit compared to the Canucks. No one gave a shit about it.

The people who started the riot would have started the riot anyways. They came prepared with fuel and matches to burn cars. The riot escalated to where it did because a whole bunch of white and Hindu trash came in from the outskirts of the city to start shit.
 
#31 ·
To me this is not about hockey or the UFC. Win or lose, this riot was going to happen.

What I see, as I live nearby and have been to Vancouver more times than I can remember, is a bunch of affluent suburbanites who have been raised knowing that their actions have no consequences. The legal system is a joke and there are often little or no penalties. They are culturally void and have nothing to believe in.

I am not going to blame music, film, tv or video games, but a general decline in values and respect for other people seems to be at the core. Everyone is now a badass and what used to be one on one confrontations now results in swarming with the assailant be beaten almost to death. Really, they are a bunch of cowards.

Vancouver has one of the highest standards of living in the world, so it begs the question: what is the problem. Sure, there are some bad areas in Vancouver, but I didn't see the lower east side out ripping shit up (for those who don't know, it has the worst drug problem in the developed world).
 
#33 ·
To me this is not about hockey or the UFC. Win or lose, this riot was going to happen.

What I see, as I live nearby and have been to Vancouver more times than I can remember, is a bunch of affluent suburbanites who have been raised knowing that their actions have no consequences. The legal system is a joke and there are often little or no penalties. They are culturally void and have nothing to believe in.

I am not going to blame music, film, tv or video games, but a general decline in values and respect for other people seems to be at the core. Everyone is now a badass and what used to be one on one confrontations now results in swarming with the assailant be beaten almost to death. Really, they are a bunch of cowards.

Vancouver has one of the highest standards of living in the world, so it begs the question: what is the problem. Sure, there are some bad areas in Vancouver, but I didn't see the lower east side out ripping shit up (for those who don't know, it has the worst drug problem in the developed world).
Canada isn't a European country but they are certainly more based on the European structure than the United States. Riots seem to be the norm these days whenever people in Europe are unhappy. I don't know if it's a lack of teachings in civility or a lack of laws being enforced, but there is certainly a cultural degradation going on that is scary.
 
#34 ·
I thought no one cared about UFC 131?

Before the event, Vancouver was all about the Canucks, what happened? Oh yeah, they need a scape goat, the UFC has had a problem in Vancouver every single time they've come, with Mirko, the gay people getting beat up, now this. **** that, bring this shit to North Carolina, I know myself and a lot of others who wanna see some UFC, live and in person.
 
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