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Fedor Emelianenko Says Fight Was Stopped Early, Non-Committal on Future

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#2 · (Edited)
His eye always looks that way after a fight lol.

Im not sure if he was out. He landed in an awkward position but i imagine if his body was limp he wouldnt have been that stiff. I think he was dazed and fell in an awkward position unsure of what to do. He tossed over way 2 quickly and efficiently to have been just knocked out.

Thats my opinion. I dont think its worth arguing with people over it. You are either going to lean 1 way or the other, i dont see anyone changing their minds.
 
#7 ·
Fedor went out. Albeit only for a second but you don't flop on your face with your arm's at your side because your conscious. Dan just hit's hard no shame in gettin put to sleep by him.
 
#12 ·
Well I was about to argue the point till I saw this gif. This camera angle clearly showed he was out...sadly. Man, one punch from behind.

Well, guess that puts things into perspective for Anderson Silva. "The Spider" is the P4P greatest!
 
#10 ·
Good interview from Fedor, wouldn't be surprised if he does fight again. I'd rather see him fight other legends and lose, than see him build on his record with cans and unknowns and forever deepen the mystery of how good he actually is.

Hendo is very versatile in terms of weight but getting knocked out by a Middleweight is a sign to move down, I'd love to see Fedor fight at LHW. Fedor vs Rampage, Vladdy, Rua, sick fights, I think he could be very competetive at 205.
 
#11 ·
Back of the head ref. Id have let it go a while longer.
 
#13 ·
Yep he went out on the uppercut, faceplanted to the canvas and Hendo got a couple of more in while he was limp than woke up when Herb broke it up. It's almost one of those calls where you feel bad for the fighter because he recovered so quickly but when your out your out whether its 1 second or 1 min, so the ref has to be consistent and stop it when they go out of consciousness.

Regardless I always liked Fedor's attitude in and out of the ring a very humble and respectable fighter.
 
#16 ·
I find it weird how many people are completely ignoring those vicious shots to the back of the head and simply saying "good stoppage."

It seems after this, every fighter out there, after they rock their opponent, should just wail away on the back of their head to end the fight. The ref isn't going to give a shit because it looks like he is protecting the fighter and the winner will be able to dismiss it as the rush of finishing the fight.

Crap.
 
#19 ·
Come on man.... He was KO'd before the shots to the head but IMO those shots landed on the back of the head but you can see he is trying to hit the side of the head. But it doesnt matter Fedor was KO'd on the uppercut. Fight was over at that point in time.
 
#20 ·
I dunno, I'm usually a big herb fan but this call was questionable. Fedor did go down for a moment and was definitely dazed but he recovered right before herb intervened. Not trying to make excuses here, Dan got a good one on him, but he himself was in trouble seconds before. Fedor dropped Dan went in for some ground and pound Dan recovered, reversed and threw the uppercut that was a beauty. That gif doesn't show the whole picture IMO. For that you have to see the last 10 secs of the fight.

BTW with the exception of the knockdown, I had Dan winning the fight up until then. Fedor should take retirement into consideration, he has done enough for the sport and will always be a legend.
 
#34 ·
Fedor did go down for a moment and was definitely dazed but he recovered right before herb intervened.
Herb was on his way over to stop the fight when Fedor was KO'd though. It may be unfortunate, but he was out, and the stoppage was fine.

I don't care that it was Fedor. I'm not even a big Fan of his. It is a crap way to end a fight no matter who it is.

And I agree with you. He was probably completely out. However it doesn't matter. The shots to the back of the head are illegal, and for a reason, no matter how asleep your opponent appears.

If they never do anything about it, what is to stop fighters from doing it on purpose? Rock em, nail em in the the back of the head. It is a bad precedent.
This is something I agree with. I don't know how they should deal with it, take away the win, a fine, or whatever, but I _hate_ this crap. Don't hit a fighter in the back of the head ever, how hard is that to understand!?

If he KO'd Fedor then started headstomping him I think people would understand where we're coming from here.


Vitor vs Franklin caused me to rage at the end hard.
 
#23 ·
As long as there is a six figure paycheck waiting for him, he'll come back.

Right now, Fedor's in the same point in his career that Chuck Liddell was at when he was getting mauled by the likes of Keith Jardine and Rashad Evans.

Fedor's in the tail end of his career and like most greats, is in denial about it.
 
#25 ·
That was a perfect punch from Dan, but any chance of a recovery was muted with those bombs to the back of the head. People recover from being rocked like that all the time, Fedor moved his left arm to posture right before the shots to the back of the head. You can't ignore two illegal bombs because someone gets rocked, but I understand it's nearly impossible to call that on the spot. Herb made the right call for Fedors safety, but standing back and looking at the fight, it's tough to live with for Fedor i'm sure.
 
#28 ·
He was out for a second, but that doesnt mean the fight should of been stopped there has been a few times when a fighter has been ko'd for a split second but then come back and won. Kongo went out 2 or 3 times before he KO'd barry, but at the same time i wouldnt of argued then if herb had stopped that fight. It was a tough call, but i think either way it would of been the correct choice, but if he let it go on, he should of penalised Dan for the shots to the back of the head imo.
 
#33 ·
Lentz vs Oliveira was made a NC by the comission for an illigal strike. Could Fedor do the same? 2 shots to the back of the head that helped finish the fight. I dont think this will happen but wondered if it could?
 
#35 ·
That was his call and as a ref I understand why he made it, but when compared to fights like Maynard/Edgar and HH/Nog it looked a bit premature. Better safe than sorry I guess. I don't blame Dan for the back of the head punches, as everything happened so quickly and with the blood pumping and hurting a guy it hard not to continue to punch especially when you see he's hurt. Herb however should have stopped the fight and warned him not to hit him in the back of the head. To me it should be treated like a nut shot, stop all action and allow the opponent to recover.
 
#36 ·
Tremendously exciting fight!

Great stoppage - Those comparing this to Kongo/Barry, Kongo wasn't laying face down on the mat with his arms and legs limp, if Kongo wasn't falling down, he was recovering. Fedor was face down, limp, getting bombed on. That is the exact point a fight should be stopped.

DQ? - Well, the people calling for a DQ are the posters who are borderline... well.. whos opinions I take with a grain of salt anyway, so I don't feel compelled to make a big argument against it. I will just say that you probably don't know what it's like to try to finish a fight, let alone on that level. The shots really weren't that blatant to the back of the head, it was just the way Fedors head went limp. For the record, Fedor actually hit Henderson multiple times in the back of the head in their scramble, more than twice, and he was certainly going for the kill. I feel like some people are being a little emotional about the whole thing, but that is to be expected by passionate fans I guess.

Fedor should retire? - No, he shouldn't if he doesn't want to. He got into a wild brawl with Dan Henderson, exacly Henderson's style. He did exactly what he did in the Werdum fight, and that is fall into his opponents game. He ended up getting his lights shut out, but it wasn't so violent that it should be the end of his career.

Fedor at 205? - PLEASE!!! What the hell Fedor? Come on man, the dream is over at HW, time to get to work again and wreck shop at LHW.
 
#38 ·
DQ? - Well, the people calling for a DQ are the posters who are borderline... well.. whos opinions I take with a grain of salt anyway, so I don't feel compelled to make a big argument against it. I will just say that you probably don't know what it's like to try to finish a fight, let alone on that level. The shots really weren't that blatant to the back of the head, it was just the way Fedors head went limp. For the record, Fedor actually hit Henderson multiple times in the back of the head in their scramble, more than twice, and he was certainly going for the kill. I feel like some people are being a little emotional about the whole thing, but that is to be expected by passionate fans I guess.
First off, Don't tase me bro, I like you, just kind of responding.

Whether or not someone knows what it's like is irrelevant pertaining to this situation. No matter who is fighting (I'm not a Fedor fan at all btw) I don't care what it's like to finish a fight, you should be following the rules while you're fighting. Just because it's easier to drop bombs on his cerebellum doesn't mean one should. Dan (who I rooted for in this fight and wanted to KO Fedor) should have picked his shots.

Maybe he gets too excited after the fights and has a hard time stopping without a few more clean blows. That's not his opponent's fault.





 
#37 ·
I don't think it would be a good move for Fedor to move down to 205. One of the many reasons for his success was being able to be quicker, more explosive and have better technique then his heavier competitors. He won't have that advantage at LHW. His era was in a time when clumsy heavyweights such as Tim Sylvia reigned. Unforunately HW's have come a long way since then and LHW have pretty much always been more skilled. So he's caught between a rock and a hard place. In their fight I thought Dan looked like the bigger fighter (framewise similar but Dan was much more muscular IMO). Still have much respect for Fedor though, and I still believe he will go down as one fo the greats.
 
#39 ·
In Dan's defense though, it's hard not being a dirty fighter if you've been one all your career :). Don't hate the guy but you can't argue with the truth. Not sure if he does it on purpose or not, he might be one of those light switch type of fighters.
 
#40 ·
At first glance he looked like he was out. The ref is supposed to stop the fight if someone goes limp like that. Can't fault Herb for following protocol. The punches to the back of the head are just Dan going in for the kill nothing out of the ordinary. Still I would have liked to see if he could recover, as a fan, but have no issues with Herbs discretion in this case.
 
#41 ·
I'm at halfs about this call, i understand why he called it and he does go limp and i always feel that herb always goes what thefighter has done before at times but i can't understand how this was stopped but when fighters faceplant like shields did against henderson or randy did against nog they let the fight continue.
 
#42 ·
Dean still thinks the stoppage was the right call:


Referee Herb Dean has reviewed the footage of his call this past Saturday in the main event of "Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Henderson" and has come to the same conclusion as the one he made in a split second.

Fedor Emelianenko was unconscious, taking punishment, and out of the fight.

"If I was to do it again – if I see a fighter face down receiving shots, I'm going to step in and stop the fight," Dean today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "I can't predict how long he's going to be unconscious for."

Time, as it happened, was in short supply when Dan Henderson snuck an uppercut in on Fedor Emelianenko – after being felled himself – and caught the Russian's chin. Emelianenko pancaked on the mat as Henderson swarmed with punches. In the blink of an eye, Dean had intervened to stop the fight, and Henderson was the winner by TKO.

"Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Henderson" took place at Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Ill., and its main card aired live on Showtime.

It was a blazingly fast stoppage, and many fans weren't happy with it. Online outcry immediately pointed to the shots Emelianenko took after the uppercut and the fact that he rolled to his back after the shot.

But Dean said he had already made his decision to stop the fight when he saw Emelianenko go out and had touched Henderson to initiate his wave-off prior to the roll. That Henderson landed two punches in the interim was irrelevant.

"The fight is over when he's unconscious," Dean said. "Because he comes back swiftly after I've already stepped in and stopped the fight, I can't restart the fight. Dan's still throwing punches, but once I've touched Dan, I've stopped the fight."

As post-fight pandemonium set in, Dean came to Emelianenko's aid. No words were exchanged.

"I stepped in to support him once he stood up because his balance was still not totally there," he said. "I believe his motor control was still questionable."

It was Emelianenko's third consecutive loss, and Henderson's third consecutive win using his fists. For Emelianenko's diehard fans, it was heartbreak.

Dean, though, did his job to the best of his abilities.

"Once I see an unconscious fighter receiving blows while unconscious, that's my job to prevent him from receiving more blows, and that's what I'm going to do," he said.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/24645/after-reviewing-tape-referee-dean-still-comfortable-with-emelianenko-stoppage.mma
 
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