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Shogun wouldn't mind facing Machida again and coaching on TUF Brazil

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#1 ·
“Of course it is my great desire to do a TUF, which is a program where people see everything that passes the fighter. Lyoto would make it even more interesting, is a top category, and consider how good this third fight, will sell a lot. Actually it was suggested that the UFC Rampage, who accepted, but had to operate the knees. So do not want to ask anyone, I fight anyone. I want that belt back, so I cannot choose opponent. But surely it would be great to face Lyoto. I’m waiting for the definition of the UFC, who promised that I would fight in June or July.”

Former UFC light-heavyweight champion, Mauricio “Shogun” Rua tells Brazilian Media outlet, Portal Do Vale Tudo, that he is open to coaching “The Ultimate Fighter” and he is open to coaching it opposite Lyoto Machida and completing their bound to happen trilogy.
Source: BJPenn.com

Obviously a bad Google Translation here - but I like the idea of those two as coaches :) And I also kinda like a third match, they're (technically) 1-1 so a tie-breaker would be nice :)
 
#5 ·
Which one is going to beat Jones?

WHo is to say they will both be around for much longer?

Weak? Why?

I'm down to see it. It makes sense right now. I don't care to see either vs Bader or Phil Davis.

Perfect time for it. They both need a win to get back on track. A loss would hurt either one.
 
#7 ·
They'll obviously fight before this, probably and preferably against Phil Davis and Ryan Bader. Shogun can deal with Davis' slow ass and Machida can get himself a top five win over Bader.

Then they can coach and in all honesty, I'd love to see it. Anyone who believes Shogun is still the same guy from 2009/2010 is lying to themselves. His knees are completely destroyed beyond repair, his cardio is done, his movement, his speed, his quickness everything that made him dangerous in Pride and against Machida and Liddell is gone and after the two ass kickings he took at the hands of Jones and Hendo I don't think he'll ever be the same.

I'm sure the Shogun fans will march in and start bringing up the Forrest win and calling me a butt hurt Machida fan boy but those same people probably think Forrest isn't an elite fighter anymore either and anyone with half a brain could tell Forrest came just to collect a check especially after his masterful performance against Franklin.

Machida would out point Shogun today with ease and would win the trilogy and send people like Bloodstain Lane into a hilarious depression. I hope it does happen, and while they're at it line Rampage up for Machida so he can kick his ass too. Redemption must be taken and justice must be served.
 
#8 ·
There's no possible way Machida outpoints Shogun my friend.... hate to say it but Machida would get TKO/KO'd badly again.

Not to beat a dead horse but the first fight was a gifted decision to Machida.

I just hope they either get these guys to fight again or get them off the shelf with a top 5 opponent.
 
#9 ·
And Machida has looked the same in his last four fights as he did when he first went on a tear? Does your hypocrisy know no bounds? Seriously, where does it end with you? You've said that Fighter A is going to whoop up on Fighter B about a zillion times now, and each time, you've been wrong. Has it not yet occurred to you that there is no such thing as a safe bet in MMA?

Machida got KTFO out by Shogun. Machida got CTFO by Jones. Machida lost an obvious decision to Rampage. And Machida was GIFTED a decision win against Shogun in their first encounter. And you're sitting there telling the world that Shogun no longer looks to be the same fighter? You make me laugh. Please, tell me more about how Machida would outpoint Shogun with ease and that Ben Henderson has nothing for Frankie Edgar.
 
#13 ·
Exactly. Machida does not have the power to hurt Shogun on the feet, even if Shogun's slower than before he's still fast enough to walk him down and knock him out. As for laying on him for a decision, yeah, that's not happening, Machida couldn't keep him down for more than 20-30 seconds in their last fight. I think the sub is his only real chance of winning.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I have to totally agree with lyoto legion here. Shogun does not have a chance in this third fight and ime sick of people thinking shogun still has what it takes to hang around at the top. Shogun is done, his cardio is bad, his movement has slowed down, his knees are gone, shogun and ime sorry to say this hasn't looked like he did in pride since he entered the UFC. What jones did to shogun was a massacre, Hendo is 41 and how shogun still couldn't capalize on a out of steam Hendo in rounds 4-5 shocked me, how olds shogun 28-29 in his prime? Please. Shogun is done.
 
#26 ·
And what about Lyoto's past four performances makes you believe that he isn't just as 'done' as Shogun? The fact is you're making too sweeping and bold a statement when you literally have zero idea how a third contest would turn out. If getting beat down by Jon Jones indicates that someone is done, then sign Lyoto, Rampage, and a host of others up for retirement, as well.

As for not being able to finish Henderson in the latter rounds, give me a break. Shogun ate nearly a dozen H-Bombs and survived, whereas it took only a single blow to put Fedor to sleep. That he managed to finish the fight in control, let alone escape the first round, shows just how much he has left in the tank. Besides, you, much like Lyoto Legion, tend to ignore the obvious. That Machida has slowed down just as much, if not more than Shogun. Whereas Lyoto completely wilted against a Rampage Jackson who was content to hold onto him, Shogun came back from three brutal rounds to put a hurt on Dan Henderson to close what was fight of the year.

But hey... I get how bias works. It makes fools out of us all.
 
#29 ·
Love how Lyoto gets owned and just skips overit like no big thing.

Also, "Okay, so I've been wrong a few times".

The guy is a riot.

What matchups would we like for both of them if they didn't do Machida/Shogun 3 right now?

To me Phil Davis shouldn't be thrown in with another top 5 calibar LHW again. They are going to ruin him before he even grows. He has done nothing to be in that elite class. He had trouble with Lil Nog and he beat Gustaf when Gustaf was like 22 years old. He has no top 10 wins really.

If they don't do this fight, I would like to see Shogun vs. Gustaf if Gustaf were to win vs Thiago. And Machida vs. Bader.

Come to think about it the 205 division is pretty thin after the first 7 or so. Guys like Te Huna and Bonnar need to start getting a little better opponents I guess.
 
#30 ·
I have Canadian Pyscho on Ignored, that's why I skipped over it, he's a giant annoyance and his posts are the same old shit every single time. He's basically McKeever just without the tantrums.

Neither Shogun or Machida are top five right now, Feijao and Mousasi are both in SF, Rampage is having surgery so they're going to get either Gustaffson, Davis, or Bader.
 
#31 ·
TheLyotoLegion earlier in this thread said:
Yeah, you say the same thing every time, you're a broken record. It's annoying.
TheLyotoLegion's comment after gifting me with negative rep said:
Quit with the baiting McKeever 2.0.
TheLyotoLegion just now said:
I have Canadian Pyscho on Ignored, that's why I skipped over it, he's a giant annoyance and his posts are the same old shit every single time. He's basically McKeever just without the tantrums.
:happy03:

Even when he has me on ignore, he just can't help himself. Poor little piss drinker.
 
#32 ·
So let me get this straight: Machida got cut off and clinched on the cage by a slow, washed up, and predictable Rampage Jackson, not to mention almost getting slammed, oh and by the way he lost, and I'm being told that he'll somehow beat Shogun with ease? What's next, are you guys going to tell me that Andy Wang has the best chance to win Bendo's LW belt? Or that Roy Nelson is going to give up cheeseburgers?
 
#35 ·
Why does everyone have a totally skewed perspective on things?

If Rampage was that slow and predictable, Machida would have had no respect for him and trashed him in the first. Washed up fighters do not control Machida for the best part of 15 minutes. Machida has been super fast in has past couple fights.

If Shogun's knees were so ruined, he would not be able to train and fight. His knee slipped against Machida in 2010, yet he just went 5 hard, varied rounds with Hendo after only a month of training. So who's to say his knees are not better than they've been in a while? It is a completely healable injury, you just have to give it a chance and do it properly. I think Shogun has gone into fights too soon after surgery, and with no recent surgeries, he has looked great. Knocked out Griffin and went to war with TRT Hendo.

As for Rua vs Machida 3, I'm not really digging that right now. They both need wins, so fights with new guys would be more productive for the division. Either they get a win and make comebacks, or new contenders are produced with a big name under their belt.

Rua vs Machida would kill off a big name, top tier fighter. With Rampage's recent decline, we need to keep these boys away from each other for now, get them fighting lesser ranked guys and more regularly.
 
#34 ·
Damn has it really come to this. Both their stock have dropped a bit...smh. This is what makes me wonder how fighters cope with the yoyos in their career without seeking therapy.

Shogun vs Rampage II has to happen.

Machida vs (fawk I can't believe he's in this rut.) He should have beat Rampage, but he was definitely a bit gun shy. Phil Davis or Lil Nog or Alex G.
 
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