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Doctor says Chael Sonnen's hypogonadism is caused by past steroid use

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#1 ·
"Was Chael Sonnen a big time collegiate wrestler? Yes he was. I'm going to opine and say to you, there's no way in the world you get to the level of collegiate wrestling that Chael Sonnen was at, with hypogonadism. Let me explain to you why. Hypogonadism means that the testes did not produce enough testosterone for one to normally mature. He wasn't on TRT as a teenager. He became this big, muscled up monster and NCAA wrestler with hypogonadism? Hell no. The truth of the matter is, you could never get to that level, because you're not going to have the muscle mass and strength to get you there. They're going to run you over. Your body will not allow you to develop enough muscle and strength to compete at your size. If he has hypogonadism, it's from one thing, and one thing only, because he treated himself with steroids in the past, and wrecked his testes. That's it."

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/6/10/3076899/doctor-says-chael-sonnens-hypogonadism-is-caused-by-steroid-use-ufc-mma
 
#3 ·
I be surprised if that is completely true, in fact I'd be kind of surprised if it wasnt. That being said I don't think any differently of the guy either way.
 
#7 ·
That doctor's a ******* idiot.

He's lucky me and the rest of Team Sonnen don't stomp his ass for trying to soil the name of an American hero, I bet he's married to a Brazilian.
 
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#8 ·
Well, unless he has hard evidence he should keep his mouth shut.

Beleive it or not doctors can and often are wrong. I know, i used to work with them. You think it takes a really smart peron to be a docto? It really does not.
 
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#9 ·
Yes it does take a smart person to be a doctor. You obviously have no clue what it takes to even GET IN to med school, let alone successfully complete it. The doctor is absolutely right in this case, and you are extremely gullible if you think Sonnen has never taken steroids.
 
#16 ·
lmfao no surprise here, same goes for Hendo and probably the rest of Team Quest or Team Roids i should say.

After Silva finishes his ass again in the octagon, im interested in seeing his comments after that lmao. His 2 minutes of fame will up and his career will be on his way out of the MMA business where real men with real testosterone fight not fake men with their fake testis and fake persona, because we all know he calls up Ed Soares and the Brazilians to apologize after and before interviews.
 
#18 · (Edited by Moderator)
The fighters who receive TRT have no more an advantage than the other fighters as long as their TR levels are kept at the normal limit.

Sure, After the first fight Sonnens TR levels were totally unacceptable, but as long as he tests with the normal levels he is fine. Otherwise it would not be allowed.

Wow there is a lot of ignorance in your post.

Anyone who thinks that Sonnen legitimately has hypogonadism needs a serious reality check.
Well, he took his information in front of the commission and they were convinced it was legit. Im sure they know a lot more information about the situation than you.
 
#20 ·
Doctors are just like carpenters and mechanics and everyone else. Some are really good at what they do and some aren't. Some are geniuses and some aren't.

As a young man living at the beach i had more than my share of characters for roommates.One of the biggest idiots I ever lived with was a med student who used to remind me that the most important thing he had learned in school was the formula (C=MD)


I agree 100% with LL
 
#25 ·
I'm sure this doctor has a valid point. However if Sonnen is actually free of any substance at this point, it's really irelevant anyway.

I did get a good laugh at LL and some of the other Sonnen backers and there instant bitchfest about this thread. These are the same guys who thrived in a thread call "surprise, suprise, Anderson hurt his knee..".

*cough*hypocrite*cough*
 
#27 ·
Actually - if you watched the meeting with NSAC - the doctor provided absolutely no proof that Chael is testosterone deficient. None. Literally all he said to them is that he may have secondary hypogonadism. No testosterone levels were shown to them.

And this doctor is one that has been repeatedly punished by the medical board for prescribing medications and treatments that the patient requested without testing. Often without even meeting them leading the board to revoke his rights to prescribe medication to anyone who he has not established a direct face to face doctor-patient relationship.

Sounds legit to me.

Terror Kovenant - Ever thought that Anderson doesn't feel he should have to defend his belt against a known cheater?
 
#28 · (Edited by Moderator)
I dont know if what you are posting are the facts or if you are just making this stuff up. Im not familiar with the meeting, but his doctor said Sonnen may have it and a reatment for it is TRT and the NSAC approved him to receive it before the fight. And as I said before, Keith Kiser and Sonnen are not best friends so Im sure they were going by the book.

Actually - if you watched the meeting with NSAC - the doctor provided absolutely no proof that Chael is testosterone deficient. None. Literally all he said to them is that he may have secondary hypogonadism. No testosterone levels were shown to them.

And this doctor is one that has been repeatedly punished by the medical board for prescribing medications and treatments that the patient requested without testing. Often without even meeting them leading the board to revoke his rights to prescribe medication to anyone who he has not established a direct face to face doctor-patient relationship.

Sounds legit to me.

Terror Kovenant - Ever thought that Anderson doesn't feel he should have to defend his belt against a known cheater?
Or maybe he does not want to fight someone who put him on his back and beat him for 4 1/2 rounds and this time hes afraid it may be a full five.
 
#29 ·
Yeah, Askren4win, the best fighter in the world is scared of a lying, cheating piece of filth.:sarcastic12:

As for the rest I actually watched the NSAC meeting with Chael and his doctor where he received his TUE for this fight and everything I said is true. His doctor did say that he may have secondary hypogonadism and that a treatment for it is TRT but nowhere did he show any test results - or even imply that he had test results - showing him to have that condition or low testosterone. Basically he gave absolutely no proof whatsoever that Chael needs TRT.

Let's do some math.

Known liar and cheat (Chael) + doctor previously censored for prescribing unneeded meds (his doctor) = Legitimate treatment?

See how the math fails there? Is there any reason at this point to believe he needs it? Both men involved are known liars and cheats in their fields. Multiple fields in Chael's case. Both men are unrepentant. So where is the credibility? Why should I - why should anyone - actually believe he needs TRT?
 
#31 ·
I agree, theres alot of blind Fail fans who will defend him no matter what, and the fact of the matter is that the Las Vegas athletic commission cares more about money then anything else, they let Mayweather fight before jail because its economically beneficial, they gave Timothy the win after he got annihilated because a rematch will ensue, and then they give Chael his trt license so that he can make them more money on his fight with Chael in Vegas.

One things for sure Silva has to finish Sonnen if he wants to win, because I have a feeling a funny decision might occur once again, even if Silva destroys Sonnen every round.
 
#32 ·
Just a lame wannabe dr phil reject trying to build a reputation at the expense of those who are better than him.

How many doctors told ppl they would never walk or have a normal life again?

How many of those doctors were wrong?

.
 
#33 ·
Just a lame wannabe dr phil reject trying to build a reputation at the expense of those who are better than him.

How many doctors told ppl they would never walk or have a normal life again?

How many of those doctors were wrong?


.
and how many were right... you can bet alot more were right then wrong.
 
#39 ·
Met an old friend of mine this weekend at my kids birthday party who used to be on our wrestling team and played football (US style). We talked and the conversation led to MMA and then he told me that he had been taking testosterone since he was about 13 or 14. The doctors said he didn't naturally produce enough and basically started puberty for him (he quite literally grew up overnight) and then once he reached his height he was able to put on muscle mass. He says that he now does his own injections but that he used to go to his doc for them every couple of weeks. He would feel amazing early on and then sluggish towards the end. When wrestling and football overlapped his doc would have him come in once a week but did less of the shot.

I don't know much about how or why this occurs, but I do know someone who has been on it for almost 20 years now and seems fairly normal. While he has a decent chunk of mass he also works out daily which seems normal to me.
 
#41 ·
This has nothing to do with Chael's situation. Chael claims of course that he didn't go through puberty, but also claims that his hypogonadism wasn't diagnosed until 2008. So in other words, he is claiming that he was a successful NCAA wrestler as well as MMA fighter for something like 20 years before he realized he had a test deficiency so egregious it requires hormone therapy. this is ridiculous. Have you seen him before 2008? I have, I have in fact met the guy, before that, that was not someone who had never gone through puberty. No way could he be that built if he medically required TRT but hadn't been diagnosed yet.
 
#53 ·
This doc is a spine doctor and not an endocrinologist. He's correct that someone with hypogonadism could not be an elite wrestler, but it is very rare that someone gets long term hypogonadism from steroid use - usually with time levels come back up. It's obvious to me that Chael has and continues to use testosterone, but he's not alone.
 
#54 ·
This doc is a spine doctor and not an endocrinologist. He's correct that someone with hypogonadism could not be an elite wrestler, but it is very rare that someone gets long term hypogonadism from steroid use - usually with time levels come back up. It's obvious to me that Chael has and continues to use testosterone, but he's not alone.[/QUOTE]

I agree...I always liked Sonnens figths. I'm going to go somewhat off topic here but I think that people seem to forget why we watch or participate in MMA. Its for the sport, what they/we do inside of the cage, on the mats, in the ring. Everyone is so busy paying so much attention to outside and personal issues that they forget sometimes MMAFORUM is supposed to be discussing the sport, not dumb things like hypogonadism. Its just silly.
 
#60 ·
thread closed, little kids cant behave themselves

will reopen it when i go through the thread and decide what peoples punishments are and if the thread is worth opening

edit) cleaned up the mess the kiddies made, tread as merit so i reopened it but no more post like before or it will stay closed next time
 
#61 ·
This is interesting, I can see both points of view.

I think Chael Sonnen is entertaining, the guy always fights wars and he's made me a fan because of that. I'm also not the biggest fan of Anderson Silva (ever since his antics vs Leites in the ring).
However, this is a sport where people measure their skills and strength with each other. If someone has a physical deficiency so they need help to perform at a competitive level, that's a problem. Now they are taking an 'unnatural' supplement to compete at a level they would be competing at without said deficiency. So, if they can take it, the other fighter should be allowed to take it as well, even terms if you will.
An analogy might help.
Say you are running a marathon and you're winning. The guy behind you jumps on a bike for a few miles just to catch up to you and then start running again. It's a close finish where either could have won. However, how did you both get to the finish? Well, he had to use a bike because he couldn't keep up without it. Not really fair imo.

If you can't compete at the highest level anymore that might be a sign your body is telling you to slow down a bit because it can't keep repairing itself at the rate that's needed to perform at that level.

I understand that they aren't doing anything illegal according to the rules, but if you apply common sense, you can see there is a problem.

These are just my opinions on the matter, nothing in here is stated as fact!
 
#62 ·
i agree 100%, its like a weaker man is given a boost in stats just becuz he is not upto par with the other guys, well if your that weak then gtfo out of MMA you dont belong their, or use skills to override the athleticism.
 
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