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Why is everyone treating tis like a domination

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#1 ·
Ok first I will say hats off to silva congradulations on a good win.

Now that being said lots of silva fans are going on and on about how great silva is and how much better he is but I don't see this at all. I mean seriously I am much more impressed by his victory in the first fight than the second one. I look at the fight and Chael was doing good and on his way to giving silva a run for his money the he through a bs spinning back fist tripped and landed on his ass and silva capitalized. It doest take a whole lot of talent to knee a guy who is sitting on the ground with his back to the cage.

Pulling off that triangle in their first fight was very impressive I thought however keeing sonnen sitting on his butt after he tripped is not that big a deal. Had sonnet nit tripped this could have gone completely different. Maybe silva would have knoced him out latter putting together some combos or maybe Chael would have grinder out the UD we will never know. However that fight I see was nothing other than capitalizing on a stupid mistak which I think many fighters on the UFC roster could have done not out classing and dominating the opponet.


I would love to see the fight one more time when they are both at their best and nither of them make a screw up like that and ruins the fight.
 
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#2 ·
"It doest take a whole lot of talent to knee a guy who is sitting on the ground with his back to the cage."

It doesn't take a whole lot of talent to damage someone in full mount.

Sonnen COULD NOT capitalize on Anderson's mistake of running out to throw fists and getting taken down - AS DID capitalize on the mistake by Sonnen.

Every sport/championship is about capitalizing on mistakes (turnovers, errors, bad game plans, etc.).

CHAMPIONS know how to do this better than the rest.
 
#3 ·
I know what you mean. Chael lost more so because he made a mistake than because Silva implemented his gameplan. Not to take any credit away from Silva. He captitilized on Chael's mistake and got a win because of it. I just feel like this fight leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

As much as I would love to see them fight again, it'll never happen. It's really hard to sell a third fight between the same guys nevermind the fact Silva finished him twice.
 
#21 ·
People like you seem to forget that before Chael fell down like a goofball that Silva was stuffing his TDs with ease in the 2nd. What exactly was Sonnen going to do if he couldn't lay on Silva for a whole round?

Then because he couldn't complete a TD he threw some spinning crap because he was desperate as hell.

Fact is, Silva won that fight with TDD. From there he has superior skills everywhere including cardio and composure.

Silva didn't win because he a guy fell down. He made Chael look like a clown the whole 2nd round.
 
#4 ·
Plus that one mistake wasn't what cost him the fight.

Let's not forget that Sonnen GOT BACK UP after the slip-knee to chest. Sonnen tried to swing when he got up???? <poor choice> then before he could grapple, Silva held him back with one arm and punched with his right - and knocked him down <impressive>.
 
#5 ·
Anderson finished the fight with the first real opportunity he had. Infact, it wasn't even a real opportunity to finish the fight. I can't think of any other fighter that would have finished so quickly in that situation. That's why he's the greatest, you screw up for one second and he will end you.

Anderson at 225lbs vs JDS at 238lbs is very interesting to me. Andy wins IMO.
 
#8 ·
What mistake did Chael make? That spinning back fist is a move he practices do a youtube search on his hook kick back fist combo. Silva ducked it and he fell, there is no mistake it just got counter well. How many fighters not named ANderson Silva would have timed that and ducked it?

Why was it domination? Chael got stuff on 3 take down attempts, and got finished. SIlva dropped him with a right hand, and GNP him. The only difference is Chael was attacking when past opponents would freeze up. Name me one time where Chael has been TKO?

Look at the so call mistake? Is it a mistake on Chael's part or attribution to Silva's skills? Realistically Chael saw a man with his hands down and tried to hit him, but SIlva used his legendary head movement and got him like okami,forrest,franklin,etc.
 
#9 ·
Well TBH, Silva did stop ALL of Chaels takedown-attempts in the second, he then proceeds to duck away from a spinning elbow, classic Silva matrix style making Sonnen drop on his ass, only to finish him with GNP, I don't see how u can take that credit away from Silva.

Saying it doesn't take much talent to knee someone sitting down is like saying it doesn't take much talent to win a fight by wrestling, you just hold a guy down and punch him in the face, that's not so hard right?
 
#81 ·
And did Silva say: hey sonnen, stay on your butt for me to knee you?

LooooL, even the challenger said I have no excuses! But it seems that the fans have.

Guys, AS is the best MMA fighter in History (PERIOD).


Just look at this:


Is this a fight or a Van Damn Hollywood movie? Even in movies you don't see stuff like that a lot :)

Funny thing is that Anderson was dodging the jab that Chael threw. He was already in the process of moving and it was then that Chael threw the spinning back fist. He didnt see the spinning backfist and then matrix out of it lol.
And even if a backfist doesnt land the guy isnt supposed to fall down. Not sure where that idea came from. Chael tripped of his own stupidity and his own mistake.

Then Anderson did what makes Anderson AMAZING. He found a way to finish the fight in the first mistake Chael made. Thats why Chael will NEVER be as great as Anderson. He cant find ways to win. All he can do is force his will and hope the other guy folds. You will never see Chael win a fight from behind.
 
#10 · (Edited)
It doest take a whole lot of talent to knee a guy who is sitting on the ground with his back to the cage.
And did Silva say: hey sonnen, stay on your butt for me to knee you?

LooooL, even the challenger said I have no excuses! But it seems that the fans have.

Guys, AS is the best MMA fighter in History (PERIOD).


Just look at this:


Is this a fight or a Van Damn Hollywood movie? Even in movies you don't see stuff like that a lot :)
 
#11 ·
It takes AMAZING talent to pinpoint a knee to the body like that without so much as touching the head and right through his arms raised to block, and break a guy's will from a single strike to the body. When have you EVER seen a guy curl up from something like that while on the ground?

It takes AMAZING talent to just completely time, dodge and duck under a spinning attack like that and make the guy go flying from his own momentum. Chael didn't screw up, Anderson dodged his strike completely and MADE him whiff.

Chael fans are really grasping for straws now aren't they? Fact is silva did exactly what he said he would, and Chael did the exact opposite and got DOMINATED like we expected the cheating coward to.

You will not get to see another fight because this guy got finished twice and got destroyed the second time. There is no rubber match for 2-time losers. It's the end of the road for chael.
 
#12 ·
You will not get to see another fight because this guy got finished twice and got destroyed the second time. There is no rubber match for 2-time losers. It's the end of the road for chael.
Rubber match for a guy who got:
1st submitted!
2nd TKO fu***ed up!!!

I liked your quote, the Chael fans need to realize FACTS not HOPES !!!

Anderson is the best.
 
#13 ·
Yeah, this idea that Chael lost the fight rather than Silva winning is utter nonsense.

Silva came in smarter in the second round and simply waited for the takedown instead of rushing in. After he knew he could stuff Chael, and, probably after Chael knew he couldn't take Silva down anymore, the game was up. No one stands with Silva and doesn't get dominated (I concede their are spare exceptions). Silva was landing again with his patented precision, when that happens, it doesn't usually last long, and it didn't

On the spinning backfist: Sure,don't give credit to Silva for ducking it at all, because we've seen that how many times in MMA?

On the knee: Again, where have you seen someone use a knee to damage their opponent on the ground from that position AND use it to gain position and pin his opponent down for GNP. Where have seen anybody knee a grounded opponent to the front of their chest?

People, it isn't actually that easy, Silva just makes it look that way.
 
#164 ·
On the knee: Again, where have you seen someone use a knee to damage their opponent on the ground from that position AND use it to gain position and pin his opponent down for GNP. Where have seen anybody knee a grounded opponent to the front of their chest?

People, it isn't actually that easy, Silva just makes it look that way.
Rashad did something very similar against Tito and got the TKO as a result as well ;) And I want to see Silva face Rashad next, would be an awesome match - also because Rashad present a lot of the dilemmas to Silva that Sonnen did. Rashad throws heavier punches as well.

I love Silva, but I love him even more when he's in fights that challenge him. So I'd like to see him face either Rashad or Munoz next :)

Having gif's as sig is against the rules if i'm not in mistake.
Budhu has a pass cause he's a staff member, i guess.
I don't have a .gif in my sig mate? ;)
 
#15 ·
I look at the fight and Chael was doing good and on his way to giving silva a run for his money the he through a bs spinning back fist tripped and landed on his ass and silva capitalized. It doest take a whole lot of talent to knee a guy who is sitting on the ground with his back to the cage.

I would love to see the fight one more time when they are both at their best and nither of them make a screw up like that and ruins the fight.
It doesn't take a whole bunch of talent to fall on your ass either. :confused02: Silva nicely ducked that punch and got on top, immideately finishing the fight where's Sonnen got full mount on RD1 without doing anything. On the feet, Silva showed his dominance and showed Sonnen how it's done.
 
#19 ·
Because Sonnen did nothing. He did nothing much last fight. And this fight he got a TD and did NOTHING with it. How does a guy get FULL MOUNT and the best he could dish from there were a few ear slaps? It is pathetic how inept Chael is at hurting his opponent.

Silva ran right into that TD. 2nd round he stuffed basically every TD attempt and made Chael look like a fool. Chael was so desperate once his TDs were stuffed that he threw a spinning falling down backfist.

A sub victory and a TKO in the 2nd. Can't do much more than that in 2 fights.

Once Silva stuffed a TD it was all over. You could see it in his eyes.
 
#22 ·
Man, Osmium was spot on about Chaels ability to take a punch. He doesn't react well at all to getting hit hard.

That reaction to Silvas strikes was on par with Brock Lesnars and Bob Sapps classic moments.

I predicted Silva to win and Chael to jump ships to WWE. I stand by it.
 
#24 ·
It was more so the look of defeat and actual fear on Chaels face which I was referring to. No doubt that knee must have really hurt, but I think he mentally broke more than any thing.

Hendo was swinging until the end, he didn't look scared. Chael literally looked terrified when he fell over and silva came crashing down with that knee.

Reminded me of Velasquez/Lesnar so much.
 
#27 ·
So we're going to ignore all of the damage that Sonnen has taken and walked through his entire career because he didn't react well to being swarmed by Anderson? Do you people honestly not think your posts through? Sonnen can take a punch. It's as simple as going back and watching his previous fights. Eating shots to the face from Anderson Silva has turned many men into 'cowards'. Good Lord, the lack of thought some of you put into your posts is astounding, if not depressing. If you can't give Chael the credit he deserves, then as I said in another thread, you diminish Silva's victory. I see this so often from Silva fans (discrediting his opponents) that it's hard to take the 'Silva is the GOAT' talk seriously. If I were to believe you, he only beats mentally weak bums and overrated wrestlers.

I'd not call the fight a 'domination' myself. You can all delude yourselves into believing otherwise, but the fact is, Silva lost the first round. Silva managed to defend well, but he wasn't able to get up off of his back. You can't simply ignore that failure to suit your own devices. The second round was domination, and only after Sonnen slipped and the knee was landed. Up until that point, Chael had cage control. You call it successful take down defence, and as do I, but Anderson was still defending. And 9 times out of 10, if you're defending, you're losing. We see wrestlers do nothing with cage control often and get the win. You know this.

Dominating finish. But hardly a dominating fight. It would be the Silva fans who are reaching in that regard. Full credit to Anderson from me. Unlike many of you, I don't take away from these fighters to make myself feel good. Anderson finished Chael by TKO, starting with one of the nastier knees I've seen to the body. He won the fight. He's defeated Sonnen twice. That's the story here.

And Sonnen finally did what most every man has done against Silva. He folded. If he'd stuck to putting on pressure against the cage and not giving up on his base, like he did with Bisping, things might have turned out differently. He wasn't able to land a couple of take-downs... I don't see that as a reason to give up entirely, especially when you landed one in the first and won the round. But then, most men abandon their strongpoints when fighting Anderson. The ability to frustrate his competition is another feat I often credit him with. He's a wizard in that area.
 
#31 ·
No one is ignoring any thing. Chael didn't react well to getting hit on the ground when he was in Andersons guard in the first fight, that was evident. There are also flashes of this awkwardness in the Michael Bisping fight. Bisping hits him, and Chael has this look of fear on his face. Go and re-watch the fight.

I wasn't having a huge dig at Chael, and there is absolutely no shame in mentally breaking to Anderson Silva in a cage. 90 percent of Andersons opponents break before they have even set foot in there.

I was just pointing out an interesting point made about Chaels ability to take a punch and his threshold for pain. Osmium summed it up perfectly in another thread, I'm hoping he joins this one to clarify.
 
#32 ·
Chael has one of the higher thresholds when it comes to pain. Once again, it doesn't take anymore than going out and watching a few of his past fights. Sonnen has always been regarded as one to take and walk through punches. I can agree with you in that it doesn't look as though he enjoys getting hit in the face, but then... neither do I. And I don't know many that do.
 
#34 ·


There's a gif from one of his past fights. Osmium also pointed out that Anderson hadn't fully sunk in the submission in the first fight and Chael had defended well, but still tapped out due to the pain.

I think it's quite clear that Chael doesn't react very well to pain at all.
 
#35 ·
I wasn't overly impressed with Silva tbh I think it was just a costly mistake which Silva took advantage of, Silva also partly cheated in the grabbing of the shorts to prevent Sonnen getting closer to attempt a take-down, Sonnen won't offer any excuses unlike Silva did in the 1st fight, I think Sonnen dominating the ground game in the 1st round showed that it had nothing to do with Silva's apparent rib injury as to why he controlled him. For Silva to be dubbed the "Greatest of all time" is abit dubious he won't fight Jon Jones or GSP, he's the best Middleweight than that's about it in my opinion
 
#39 ·
I wasn't overly impressed with Silva tbh I think it was just a costly mistake which Silva took advantage of, Silva also partly cheated in the grabbing of the shorts to prevent Sonnen getting closer to attempt a take-down, Sonnen won't offer any excuses unlike Silva did in the 1st fight, I think Sonnen dominating the ground game in the 1st round showed that it had nothing to do with Silva's apparent rib injury as to why he controlled him. For Silva to be dubbed the "Greatest of all time" is abit dubious he won't fight Jon Jones or GSP, he's the best Middleweight than that's about it in my opinion
Perhaps you should follow the sport better. He even said he would try to go all the way down to 170 to fight GSP.

But perhaps you are just a Silva hater who is bitter this morning. You aren't alone. There are many out there.
 
#51 ·
Tonight Silva proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Chael has nothing what so ever for him. Yes Chael took him down in the first, and did nothing to him,I mean come on, slapping him in the side of the head (I call BS to anyone who says it was a palm strike, he was open hand slapping him). Then failed miserably in the second round to take Anderson down, realized that Anderson had allowed him the TD in the first and freaked, threw a Spinning back fist and was finished. He has neither the tools nor the mindset to ever challenge Anderson. Period. Dot. The. End.
 
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