HAHA ******* Ortiz. Whatever makes you feel better bud. You lost in your retirement fight. Forrest trolled you out of a post fight speech. You made facebook posts like "I never knew you could win fights by throwing missing strikes". You are the worst loser in the sport of MMA and have the most excuses by far.
If you stack steroids correctly they blow trt out of the water.
I was never really a fan of Tito, however he did contribute to the sport. However over the past few years he really had rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know if it's his dull personality or his desire to be recognize as a contributor to satisfy his ego. Either way I am glad he is gone, however now that he is retired I think he we will be hearing more of him.
TRT or not these guys had two close fights that were very competitive. With or without TRT Tito Ortiz and Forrest are on the same level playing field. Neither one is the superior fighter versus each other.
Man somebody should shut Tito up by attacking his personal life. I know the idea of his wife having more meat in her than an Italian deli must drive him crazy.
I'm sort of with Tito, though he has found a moronic way of putting it. If your body can no longer produce enough testosterone, then its time to hang up the gloves.
I'm not saying don't use TRT because some guys feel dreadful without it, but i don't think you should be allowed to compete in a sporting event whilst using TRT.
like the last round of their last fight, a lot of their fight involved Tito standing still, tired and allowing Forrest to hit him. Tito is hardly in any condition to fight nowadays either, guy's cardio is horrific (not that it matters b/c he's retired now). how can Tito claimed to have won the fight? What a dunce.
Tito Ortiz is the most pretentious sore loser in MMA, this guy has no shame to go on about his ridiculous excuses and total delusions of his actual ability. I mean Forrest looked bad in that fight but someone needs to slap Tito in the face with the fight breakdown because he got out-struck 2:1.
Man Tito never shuts up. such a giant-attention-whore-baby. I thought since he retired this would be the one time he kept his mouth shut, but no.
I also want to hear what Forrest was caught for? We are all discussing this tweet but I haven't seen anything official about Forrest testing positive yet.
Being much older than Forrest and being a big LHW himself, the dude probably has low testosterone himself. He looks his age in the cage.
Forrest using to get his levels back to that of a prime fighter gives him as much as an advantage as a dude using prescribed anabolics to get up to Alistair Overeem levels.
I despise TRT, but Forrest was in the normal range accepted by the commission so technically it isn't cheating.
I do however find it funny that the guy that can be quoted saying "If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough", is now labeling others as cheaters.
Question, with all this talk about TRT is it in anyway related to HGH? I remember hearing about the wonders of HGH and how some fighters were taking it. Now I almost never hear about it and all I hear is about is TRT.
We know very little about how and why these TRT users actually need/use the TRT. Do they actually have low T levels? Or have they found a doctor willing to say they have? And if there levels ARE so low, WHY are they? Previous PED abuse? Do they raise there levels from 'low' to average levels, or to optimum levels?
It's just so shady to me. I still think Tito should stfu though :thumb02:
Not what I meant at all. Just because Testosterone is produced naturally within the human body, it does not mean that pumping in additional testosterone isn't using steroids. A legal steroid is still a steroid.
I'm not saying the use of TRT is akin to hardcore anabolic juicing. It can, however, if used in excess, greatly enhance a fighters ability.
I'm on the side where if you have to boost your T levels in order to be competitive in a sport, then you shouldn't be in that sport. Either everyone does TRT, or no one does. A level playing field is what I'd (naively) want to see.
Not what I meant at all. Just because Testosterone is produced naturally within the human body, it does not mean that pumping in additional testosterone isn't using steroids.A legal steroid is still a steroid.
I'm not saying the use of TRT is akin to hardcore anabolic juicing. It can, however, if used in excess, greatly enhance a fighters ability.
I'm on the side where if you have to boost your T levels in order to be competitive in a sport, then you shouldn't be in that sport. Either everyone does TRT, or no one does. A level playing field is what I'd (naively) want to see.
You didnt mean that testosterone is a steroid hormone??? Thats weird since thats what you exactly said....
Why would everyone do testosterone when their levels are already at the normal levels???
Well then youd be surprised how many supplements you would consider a steroid.
Steroids are derived from the steroid molecule BUT thats alot different then trt. TRT users are not steroid users.
But thats my opinion and each his own.
If you want even playing fields then you gotta look at everything and not just trt.
What about when some peoples bodies produce more natural testostrone then others???
Thats not an even playing field.
What about when your genetically gifted like Jon Jones. Thats not playing on an even playing field. I guess we could add Melvin Guillard speed in that category. Some people have fast twitching muscle fibers and some dont.
If your asking for an even playing field then people using testosterone to get to the "NORMAL" levels is the closes you are going to get to it. They just need to increase the testing so no one abuses it. And Dana White said he is working on that so there we go.
But technically speaking there will never be a completely even playing field. Nature has a way of randomly screwing some people. The way i see it TRT can fix some of those mistakes. Ofcourse abusing TRT is a different story and im against also. Unless everyone can abuse it.... then im for it.
Just as I thought Tito's history of antics made what Forrest did in the post fight alright Forrest's history of antics makes it alright for Tito to come back at him with this. If you don't want someone shitting on you don't shit on them.
This has to be very cowardly in Tito's mind. He fought Forrest once with a shattered skull and 3 missing limbs after all.
While this complaining is completely unneccesary i can kinda see where his coming from. When Tito can do without TRT, surely Griffin could have done it without it. NIot a codtor or a specialist with TRT though.
There has to be a margin for variance. Guys can have higher or lower Test through diets, training, genetics, etc. Plus estrogen fluctuations in your system can throw off all of your ratios as it causes a response and a hormone shift.
Also, keep in mind that Test can vary seemingly widely in the number, while not making too much of a difference.
Example: A normal male's Test can be anywhere from 250 to 850. On either number you're considered normal, not making such a big difference.
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