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#1 ·
sorry for my english

Do you think the ufc is going backward in longterm with the way they promote the sports. Imo Dana white is not the right guys to birng the sports of MMA in the promised land. I like the man is blog are very fun to watch but i think he take stuff way to personel he swear a lot I almost feel he promote bad behabvior among is fighter to create drama and sell ticket .

I remember back in the day UFC was trying to compete against the WWF ( yeah back in the day it was called like that). IS it really the sport that sports that u really want to compete againts or first class sports like the nfl.

The ufc need to step up there game and act like a first class compagny. fighter like JDS GSP edgar brian stann are the best type of fighter to elevate the sports to higher ground.
 
#3 ·
It's what sells. Do you see how often Jon Jones is appearing on ESPN now? Rampage vs. Hamill, which was on-paper one of the worst main events ever, did almost double the buyrate of the Edgar/Beno 2 fight. Fighters with no personality just are not marketable.

With that being said, the UFC sort of needs to accept where they are. They will always only appeal to a certain audience outside of a huge fight.
 
#4 ·
With that being said, the UFC sort of needs to accept where they are. They will always only appeal to a certain audience outside of a huge fight.
I disagree, once the sport evolves to the point where there are more JDS, Aldo kind of guys that are elite strikers with good TDD the sport will really take off. Once guys like Jon Fitch can't win any more fights things will change.
 
#5 · (Edited)
I like things better the way they are.

I prefer Nick Diaz being who he is than having having a fake image where he claims he "never inhaled".

I don't believe in politically correct "professionalism" built on lies and ppl cultivating fake jesus wannabe images where if they get caught in a strip club or say something people who are complete whiners disagree with its a "scandal"

A lot of the of the people who try to pretend they're professional are complete fakes and phonies who say one thing & do the complete opposite. I don't see how mma benefits from illicit marketing campaigns where ppl put up a front & pretend to be things they are not.
 
#6 ·
The UFC is such a diverse and unique sport I don't think you can compare it to a league like the NFL,NBA,etc. It will always be the evolution of boxing in my opinion,and will always follow that model. You sell fights and watch it for entertainment and follow a few fighters. Dana white is the perfect fit for the UFC.

The only way I see the UFC becoming a legit sport is if they break that PPV model, which will be impossible to do. Until then it is what it is which is prize fighting. The UFC will continue to grow, however I don't ever seeing it being a powerhouse like a legit sport league. The thing with the UFC its one and out, like you lose its over, you set up the biggest fights there is a drawback.
 
#8 ·
Do you think the ufc is going backward in longterm with the way they promote the sports. Imo Dana white is not the right guys to birng the sports of MMA in the promised land. I like the man is blog are very fun to watch but i think he take stuff way to personel he swear a lot I almost feel he promote bad behabvior among is fighter to create drama and sell ticket .
As long as Dana puts business first, i have no problem. Like he said his going to confront Jones about his comments at 152 in Toronto. That talk between them should occur after the fight imo, that Jones could put all his focus on Vitor and nothing else.
 
#40 ·
Claiming the early UFC was superior and hating on one of the most beloved boxers of all time might incite a neg rep. Just guessing though.

If Tyson had the option of an out of court settlement back in the day he probably wouldn't have spent a night in jail much less the majority of his athletic prime. Can you imagine Kobe spending a couple years in jail for sexing up a groupie that showed up at his hotel room in the middle of the night?
I guess Sooj was the only one to get the sarcasm then.

Tyson was never "beloved". He was respected.

And to be honest, if you want to check his record he choked when it really mattered. Tyson smashed his way through cans in amazing fashion. I mean sure, they were world champions then, but theres a reason we have no idea about them now. Ali beat Forman and we still know who George was. George smashed Frazier and we still know who Frazier is. Tyson was killing nobodies, raped a chick, went to jail for 3 years, came out, had one great win over Frank Bruno and then got schooled by Holyfield and everyone else who was great after that.

yeah, that's why I said it.
Actually, thinking back, it was probably Don King that raped that chick, and framed Tyson...it all makes sense!
 
#41 ·
I guess Sooj was the only one to get the sarcasm then.

Tyson was never "beloved". He was respected.

And to be honest, if you want to check his record he choked when it really mattered. Tyson smashed his way through cans in amazing fashion. I mean sure, they were world champions then, but theres a reason we have no idea about them now. Ali beat Forman and we still know who George was. George smashed Frazier and we still know who Frazier is. Tyson was killing nobodies, raped a chick, went to jail for 3 years, came out, had one great win over Frank Bruno and then got schooled by Holyfield and everyone else who was great after that.



Actually, thinking back, it was probably Don King that raped that chick, and framed Tyson...it all makes sense!
Yea, its a shame Tyson didnt have some serious talent to go up against when he was in his pomp. The only reason I think he was the real deal is: When I think of all the greatest HW boxers of the past, I can see them making mince meat of all of Tysons opponents. However, Tyson also tore through them like a superb HW fighter should. I'm not sure those cans could have been crushed any more efficiently then they we're.

Ultimately, he was never tested when he was at his peak. It's a very sad thing. I believe he would have been very impressive against any of the legendary HW's of the past. We can only speculate.:(
 
#15 ·
**** badmitton, but if you start talking shit about ping pong it's going down.

In all seriousness, the UFC has gone downhill, in terms of popularity atleast in America, I think a lot of it has to do with Lesnar and GSP being out, missed opportunities. Looking back GSP and Anderson should have fought in 2010, Fedor didn't come over and the economy is worse.
 
#16 ·
Give me another infraction if you's want, but fuk these threads. I'm sick of it. In 2012, MMA is at it's absolute peak. Fighters are more talented than they have ever been, we have Junior Dos Santos, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva and GSP as champions (others arent as popular)...why do people keep fuking complaining?

To me, and probably to you since you're on this site, MMA is the greatest sportin the world. Right now, it's at it's peak of talent and skill. It's not bombarded by commercialism and near enough everyone is a true fighter. Right this second, we have TWO Ultimate Fighters running, Jon Jones is fighting Vitor Belfort in a few days and Anderson Silva is fighting in less than a month. There are up and comers who are looking to be the future of the sport on every corner, from Rory McDonald to Erick Silva to Gus, and we've recently got the best from WEC fighting in the UFC against the best the UFC has to offer (which has already made for some great match ups)

In summary, shut the fuk up and be happy that you're getting to see such fantastic action live, because sooner or later it WILL crash and you'll be the one nostalgic about the "good old days" of 2012.
 
#20 ·
I once dislocated my patella playing competitive ping pong. It's a rough sport, man.

And yeah, the UFC looks like a bunch of bullies and hillbillies beating each other up. Boxing is the same. It would be different if MMA was a team sport but it's not. Just look at Tyson. Nowadays he seems like a nice (badass) guy you'd like to share a beer with. Remember what he was like when he was still knocking dudes out for a living? He was an asshole. Why? Because being an asshole gets people interested in you. Sure, you can be the nice guy all the time and have respect and all that other boring stuff that nobody cares about but there are few who pull it off in the long run. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it comes with the sport and you can't change it unless you don't interview these guys (which is unrealistic because these guys sell all the PPVs).
 
#21 ·
Tyson was an asshole because he was scared and he had nobody in his life he trusted. He wasn't an asshole before his life went to crap, you can thank Don King for that. I watched a documentary on his life, paints a pretty bleak picture of boxing and makes Don King seem like the devil.
 
#23 ·
Don King may be the devil, but had Tyson not been a boxer that man would have been in jail. Realistically though Mike Tyson life story is unbelievable and great inspiration. If that man can came from a broken home,poverty, etc and reach the success he reached, there is no excuse for anybody to reach their goals. Had Tyson had not been a dumb ass and had smart people around him he would have been one of the richest athletes ever.
 
#27 ·
It's funny everybody always has something to say. If there are critics that means you've accomplished something.

To the OP. Dana is both a suit and blue collar fan hence the swearing and brash personality. It's also because of the blue collar mentality that he's so well liked with most fans and fighters alike. I've never seen a President mosh, shake hands with every fan out there, and appear in interviews the way he does. In fact if there were more CEOs like Dana the world would be a better place. A few more.

It's also a reason why boxing promoters, Showtime, Spike all hate em because he won't comply to the norms of the corporate mindset. Look if he was a money mongering individual he would have milked Chuck Liddell. Now Chuck's a multi millionare with a high ranking position in the organization. All boxers never had that opportunity and very very few WWE wrestlers. As long as the Fertittas and Dana White is present the UFC will continue to grow. Sure it'll contract, but that's what every company does.

Rise of IBM in the 80's.
Microsoft took over.
Apple rose, fell, and is now the most valuable company in the world. Read the book when you get a chance.

The UFC is a force and it can not be denied. It's all in management.
 
#30 ·
The UFC goes in the direction that makes money. You want 'the good old days' back? I wonder how much money guys were making back then, probably next to nothing, so I hope you aren't one of the people who cares about fighter pay. Despite all the Fox attention, MMA is still a very long way from being mainstream, lots of people just don't want to see two guys locked in a cage beating the help out of each other.
Dana has been the most successful promoter in an industry where other companies crash before they take off. He might be polarizing, but it puts asses in seats.

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#32 ·
After reading his book and documentary you realize he did have it bad, typical rags to riches and back to rags story.

Presently though, Tyson has a family now and a strong support system. He's very spiritual and I think he's in a happy place right now.

Dude gets props every where he goes. Nobody disses em for what he lost. That's all in the past. Plus he's still worth a cool million. Enough to lead a good life. He'll continue to get film offers and could easily be a boxing/MMA trainer. Do you know how many legions of fighters will sign up.

He doesn't need anybodys' pity. My favorite stories are the ones who pick themselves up after falling from grace.

That was one of the highlights of the TUF show (GSP vs Kos) when Iron Mike showed up to give his insight on the fight game.
 
#35 ·
After reading his book and documentary you realize he did have it bad, typical rags to riches and back to rags story.

Presently though, Tyson has a family now and a strong support system. He's very spiritual and I think he's in a happy place right now.

Dude gets props every where he goes. Nobody disses em for what he lost. That's all in the past. Plus he's still worth a cool million. Enough to lead a good life. He'll continue to get film offers and could easily be a boxing/MMA trainer. Do you know how many legions of fighters will sign up.

He doesn't need anybodys' pity. My favorite stories are the ones who pick themselves up after falling from grace.

That was one of the highlights of the TUF show (GSP vs Kos) when Iron Mike showed up to give his insight on the fight game.
I doubt he'd say it was all a walk in the park would he? Lol

But yeah he had it hard, but so does millions of other people. He got all of this stuff handed to him while his next door neighbour probably ODed in an alleyway somewhere after a bad rock. Tyson himself recognised how much he was given, and he took it and ran as far as he possibly could with it and you could have asked more of him.

I'm never liked the generic stories. You always get the "I fight for my family" or "I fight because I come from a broken home and I was always alone". If I every get there, my words will be "I fight because I want to". Every day guys become millionaires from nothing. If you're really fighting for your family why don't you get a secure as fuk job in an office? People fight because thats what they love to do. It's not their past, because people of all backgrounds get into fighting. It's not how much money they have, because if you look back Gracie Jiu Jitsu, the art which murdered the early stages of UFC and had the toughest guy, was generally only available to the rich people.

To me, coming from a broken home, poverty, a disease or a hard life doesnt change anything. When you step into that cage or ring, none of it matters. All that matters is how much you want to be there, how much you want to win and how much you are willing to go through to get there.
 
#44 ·
I'm amazed at those guys, from nowhere, they come in, criticize Dana for pretty much no reason whatsoever. he's the only one who made it happen in the first place, he modeled it from the very beginning into what it is right now, the UFC IS Dana white and Dana is the UFC.

He's proven he's a business genius, he does pretty much everything right for years and now a bunch of nobodies whose achievement are not even close to a tenth of what the dude has done and who pretend they know better.

Amazing

some of you guys should really go out and do a business of your own, understand how this shit works before going all nonsense on the forums.
 
#49 ·
I actually think it's refreshing to have a president of a company who actual says how he feels, and doesn't say what the public wants to hear. All the while doing scumbag stuff on the hush hush ie, don't be like our government and most corporations.
...The sport has never been better or bigger. Zuffa exploded globaly with the UFC, bought out Pride and Strikeforce. Now FX Primetime & Fuel TV--(Which rocks bigtime) UFC reloaded is great on Fuel TV. See fights I've missed. Smart move and most fans can see a lot more UFC. They are the staple of where things are and where they will should go in the MMA world. I can't see anybody other than Dana, Lorenzo & Joe Silva running the show for now. I remember saying "If it's not broken, don't mess with it". MMA has become serious mainstream. You can make a career of it and fighters are and have become celebrities. UFC should just keep blazing the huge path they have created...
^All of this.

I do...if his original trainer was around. Cus taught em everything. The whole "peek a boo" strategy and to instill fear into his opponents. That was to bolster his confidence.

It's only a matter of time before he gets in and hooks their body. He might not reach their face, but he'll give them internal bleeding. He lost too much time when he went away + loss his trainer and support group. Imagine all of the current champs without their trainers. They'd be at a disadvantage.

Lewis got flash KOed by Hasim so it can be done. Foreman would have been helluve entertaining as he could take a ton of punishment. Love the Foreman grill!
Generally he would have taken WAY too much punishment coming in. Tyson Vs Lewis at any stage would have 9/10 went the same. Tyson would be walking into straights and jabs, and maybe in his prime he wouldnt have been finished but he's still be beat up as badly. The Klitschkos these days don't make any mistakes that they used to, or any that Lewis made against Hasim etc. They are 100% focus to their range (which is why they get called boring). Tyson wouldnt even get into range with them as they would easily handle him at distance. That's why he struggled agaisnt Holyfield. Cus was good but it doesnt change the fact that Tyson was one dimentional. He had a lot of great aspects to his style, but adaptability was not one of them. One he's getting timed and caught with the jab straight combinations, he wouldnt have an answer for it. His arms were too short to even throw the overhand right. To me it's kind of an unfair comparrison. If I'm right, Tyson fighting in right now would only be a CW I believe.

George Forman would have been interesting because he had more power than Tyson and didn't use his reach to the ability he could have. 50/50 fight really.
 
#45 ·
I actually think it's refreshing to have a president of a company who actual says how he feels, and doesn't say what the public wants to hear. All the while doing scumbag stuff on the hush hush ie, don't be like our government and most corporations.
 
#46 ·
...The sport has never been better or bigger. Zuffa exploded globaly with the UFC, bought out Pride and Strikeforce. Now FX Primetime & Fuel TV--(Which rocks bigtime) UFC reloaded is great on Fuel TV. See fights I've missed. Smart move and most fans can see a lot more UFC. They are the staple of where things are and where they will should go in the MMA world. I can't see anybody other than Dana, Lorenzo & Joe Silva running the show for now. I remember saying "If it's not broken, don't mess with it". MMA has become serious mainstream. You can make a career of it and fighters are and have become celebrities. UFC should just keep blazing the huge path they have created...
 
#52 ·
Throwing my 2 cents in: Tyson was great but Ali would've beaten him. Tyson didn't have a big gas tank (he didn't need to) and Ali regularly went into the later rounds. Ali was as tough as a coffin nail so he'd have lasted (even if he had to rope a dope) and worked Tyson in the later rounds. Both are great so it's not taking anything away from Tyson but I think Ali wins that fight definitively.
 
#53 ·
It depends at what stage in Ali's career. If it was Tyson instead of Frazier in the first fight, Ali would have been stopped quite quickly. Tyson is WAY to active to lay on the ropes against, and I don't care who you are, you're not taking his best and staying standing. If Ali was dancing around and using his jab, Tyson would have been brutalized or got stopped.
 
#54 ·
Ali would win on points. The longer the fight goes the worst it is for Tyson. Something most people aren't remembering is that Ali was a sucker for the left hook, and that was one of Tyson's best weapons. Ali is definitely going to taste the canvas if that fight ever happened, even a prime Ali.
 
#55 ·
If George Foreman couldnt drop Ali, Tyson wouldnt stand a chance. Ali was a much different fighter after he won the world title than the one who stepped in against Frazier the first time.

And what reason do you have that Tyson wouldnt get stopped? Tyson pretty much never showed anyone to make anyone believe he was durable and could take a hard punch, and if anything he showed the opposite. If he faught a top level fighter, one of them was getting stopped.
 
#60 ·
"You leave two spaces after full stops. It's wierd. But anyways, Tyson's attacks were a lot more predictable than Foreman's. Tyson never went to war with people, he either lost convincingly or knocked people the **** out. I think If Ali could take Frazier's left hook, the punch that made him famous, then Tyson's wouldnt be quite as bad."

No they were not. Tyson in his prime had a job, he had good hooks and uppercuts in addition to his elusive head movement, I'd like for you to explain to me how Tyson's attacks were more predictable than Tyson's.

"Many brawlers tend to lack mobility in the ring and have difficulty pursuing fighters who are fast on their feet. They prefer the harder, slower punches (such as hooks and uppercuts) and tend to ignore combination punching. Their slowness and predictable punching patterns (single punches with obvious leads) often leaves them open for counterpunching. Famous brawlers include Eric Esch, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Chris Arreola, Jake Lamotta, Rocky Marciano, and Nigel Benn."


You claim Ali could take Frazier's hooks, well I guess that depends on your definition of take, because in that fight ALi was knocked down and he lost that fight so I'm confused by you saying Ali could take Frazier's hook. LOL so Tyson never went to war with people I just gave you an example of one in my last post. Again go watch Tyson vs Tillis.

Peek-a-Boo
Peek-a-Boo is a boxing style where the hands are placed in front of the boxer's face, like in the babies game of the same name. It offers extra protection to the face and makes it easier to jab the opponent's face. Peek-a-Boo boxing was developed by legendary trainer Cus D'Amato. Peek-a-Boo boxing utilizes relaxed hands with the forearms in front of the face and the fist at nose-eye level. Other unique features includes side to side head movements, bobbing, weaving and blind siding your opponent. The number system e.g. 3-2-3-Body-head-body or 3-3-2 Body-Body-head is drilled with the stationary dummy and on the bag until the fighter is able to punch by rapid combinations with what D'Amato called "bad intentions". The theory behind the style is that when combined with effective bobbing and weaving head movement, the fighter has a very strong defense and becomes more elusive, able to throw hooks and uppercuts with great effectiveness. Also allows swift neck movements as well quick duckings and bad returning damage, usually by rising uppercuts or even rising hooks. Famous Peek-a-boo practitioners include Floyd Patterson, Mike Tyson, Kevin Rooney, Teddy Atlas, Ruslan Chagaev and Aleksandr Povetkin.


"Frazier has a better one, and once Ali had perfected his style, he found a way around it quite easily. In the last fight Frazier went super human mode so Ali had a lot of trouble with him but in the second Ali took it pretty convincingly because, like Tyson, he knew exactly what to expect."

I agree Ali eventually won the trilogy but as you just said, Ali had a lot of trouble with him.


"ou said Ali would win on points. If Ali wins on points...Tyson would have to not get stopped...I mean...not a difficult concept to get your head around. Ali getting dropped wouldnt be relevent to wether or not Tyson gets stopped. What I said was that if Tyson takes the punishment that the styles would indicate that he would, I don't see him lasting. He wouldnt get a chance to unload on Ali because if it got close Ali would pretty easily tie him up. Tyson might land some body shots on the break but Ali has dealt with that from other fighters and not let it gas him."

When someone says stopped, to me it means TKO meaning the fighter can no longer continue. Or getting completely knocked out. So obviously your definition of getting stopped is different than mine.

"Prime Tyson never faced anyone with a jab even close to that of Ali, Lewis or the Klitschkos. When he did start fighting guys with that ability, he was walking onto shots all night. You can say that his prison sentance was the reason, but he faced better compititon after he got out of jail and didn't look great against any of them. His pre-jail opponents just werent at the same level as those guys I mentioned."

Ali's jab aside, he kept his hand low, it's not like anyone who fought Ali couldn't get near him. Henry Cooper was a bum and he dropped Ali with a left hook, so again what makes you think Tyson wouldn't be able to do it. You're going to have to do better than stating what would have happened.

"Moving bullseye
Vitali Klitschko admitted it himself that he found Chisora hard to hit. With the agressive style of Chisora reminiscent of Smokin’ Joe Frazier, Klitschko found it difficult to time his punches. But since Chisora is slower than Frazier, or Tyson with his upper body movements, Klitschko managed to land a few significant shots, particularly with his straight right and a few uppercuts. Vitali is not known to fire quick multi-shot combos, he’s mainly an accurate single-shot puncher, maybe two or three punch combinations at the most.

Now, Tyson’s body movements are significantly quicker than those of Chisora’s, making him harder to hit, hence more effective. A lower Mike Tyson, bobbing and weaving, being smaller, hence, being harder target to hit, getting into range, firing those right hooks to the body, will eventually hurt Vitali. Another factor is that Chisora, not only does not have the devastating punching power of Tyson, but he also doesn’t have fast hands. Both skills being what made Tyson so destructive in his prime. Vitali himself admitted to that fact in his interview – ““I saw every punch from Chisora. He’s a little bit slow. If Chisora was much faster, then I might’ve had a problem. I saw almost every punch.” And that sentence from Vitali Klitschko himself says it all."


"Tyson has never been and will never be underrated. He wrecked nobody opponents with ease. He never faced anyone who knew how to fight, so when the time came he never performed as impressivly. It's Hector Lombard coming into the UFC. Ali was caught before but only a few times and never when he was in his prime fighting condition. Tyson never cut off the ring or used any of the abilities that Frazier had. Tyson had one thing on his mind and that was to run at you like freight train. He never had all of the intricacies like ring awareness in his thoughts. He had head movement, pushing forward and hooks. I think if you take into account the ring awareness and movement of Ali, he'd have easily avoided being trapped in the corners and caught Tyson as he walked in until Mike ran out of steam, before finishing him."

This is completely false and inaccurate I'm not even going to bother with this.


It doesn't matter if they were cans, the proof is in the pudding and yo have no proof to back up yours.

Again depends on your definition of stopping:

If Ali wins on the points then the fight is already over correct? Meaning it's the 12th round and the judges have to go to the scorecards to determine the winner. The fight at that time is over so how exactly is the fighter (who loses) STOPPED?

All depends on your definition, but you don't have to be a dickhead about it. Implying I can't wrap my head around something just because I disagree with you.

I agree Ali is overrated, but you are clearly biased against Tyson and you haven't provided any proof as to how Ali would brutalize him. Peace.
 
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