"You leave two spaces after full stops. It's wierd. But anyways, Tyson's attacks were a lot more predictable than Foreman's. Tyson never went to war with people, he either lost convincingly or knocked people the **** out. I think If Ali could take Frazier's left hook, the punch that made him famous, then Tyson's wouldnt be quite as bad."
No they were not. Tyson in his prime had a job, he had good hooks and uppercuts in addition to his elusive head movement, I'd like for you to explain to me how Tyson's attacks were more predictable than Tyson's.
"Many brawlers tend to lack mobility in the ring and have difficulty pursuing fighters who are fast on their feet. They prefer the harder, slower punches (such as hooks and uppercuts) and tend to ignore combination punching. Their slowness and predictable punching patterns (single punches with obvious leads) often leaves them open for counterpunching. Famous brawlers include Eric Esch, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Chris Arreola, Jake Lamotta, Rocky Marciano, and Nigel Benn."
You claim Ali could take Frazier's hooks, well I guess that depends on your definition of take, because in that fight ALi was knocked down and he lost that fight so I'm confused by you saying Ali could take Frazier's hook. LOL so Tyson never went to war with people I just gave you an example of one in my last post. Again go watch Tyson vs Tillis.
Peek-a-Boo
Peek-a-Boo is a boxing style where the hands are placed in front of the boxer's face, like in the babies game of the same name. It offers extra protection to the face and makes it easier to jab the opponent's face. Peek-a-Boo boxing was developed by legendary trainer Cus D'Amato. Peek-a-Boo boxing utilizes relaxed hands with the forearms in front of the face and the fist at nose-eye level. Other unique features includes side to side head movements, bobbing, weaving and blind siding your opponent. The number system e.g. 3-2-3-Body-head-body or 3-3-2 Body-Body-head is drilled with the stationary dummy and on the bag until the fighter is able to punch by rapid combinations with what D'Amato called "bad intentions". The theory behind the style is that when combined with effective bobbing and weaving head movement, the fighter has a very strong defense and becomes more elusive, able to throw hooks and uppercuts with great effectiveness. Also allows swift neck movements as well quick duckings and bad returning damage, usually by rising uppercuts or even rising hooks. Famous Peek-a-boo practitioners include Floyd Patterson, Mike Tyson, Kevin Rooney, Teddy Atlas, Ruslan Chagaev and Aleksandr Povetkin.
"Frazier has a better one, and once Ali had perfected his style, he found a way around it quite easily. In the last fight Frazier went super human mode so Ali had a lot of trouble with him but in the second Ali took it pretty convincingly because, like Tyson, he knew exactly what to expect."
I agree Ali eventually won the trilogy but as you just said, Ali had a lot of trouble with him.
"ou said Ali would win on points. If Ali wins on points...Tyson would have to not get stopped...I mean...not a difficult concept to get your head around. Ali getting dropped wouldnt be relevent to wether or not Tyson gets stopped. What I said was that if Tyson takes the punishment that the styles would indicate that he would, I don't see him lasting. He wouldnt get a chance to unload on Ali because if it got close Ali would pretty easily tie him up. Tyson might land some body shots on the break but Ali has dealt with that from other fighters and not let it gas him."
When someone says stopped, to me it means TKO meaning the fighter can no longer continue. Or getting completely knocked out. So obviously your definition of getting stopped is different than mine.
"Prime Tyson never faced anyone with a jab even close to that of Ali, Lewis or the Klitschkos. When he did start fighting guys with that ability, he was walking onto shots all night. You can say that his prison sentance was the reason, but he faced better compititon after he got out of jail and didn't look great against any of them. His pre-jail opponents just werent at the same level as those guys I mentioned."
Ali's jab aside, he kept his hand low, it's not like anyone who fought Ali couldn't get near him. Henry Cooper was a bum and he dropped Ali with a left hook, so again what makes you think Tyson wouldn't be able to do it. You're going to have to do better than stating what would have happened.
"Moving bullseye
Vitali Klitschko admitted it himself that he found Chisora hard to hit. With the agressive style of Chisora reminiscent of Smokin’ Joe Frazier, Klitschko found it difficult to time his punches. But since Chisora is slower than Frazier, or Tyson with his upper body movements, Klitschko managed to land a few significant shots, particularly with his straight right and a few uppercuts. Vitali is not known to fire quick multi-shot combos, he’s mainly an accurate single-shot puncher, maybe two or three punch combinations at the most.
Now, Tyson’s body movements are significantly quicker than those of Chisora’s, making him harder to hit, hence more effective. A lower Mike Tyson, bobbing and weaving, being smaller, hence, being harder target to hit, getting into range, firing those right hooks to the body, will eventually hurt Vitali. Another factor is that Chisora, not only does not have the devastating punching power of Tyson, but he also doesn’t have fast hands. Both skills being what made Tyson so destructive in his prime. Vitali himself admitted to that fact in his interview – ““I saw every punch from Chisora. He’s a little bit slow. If Chisora was much faster, then I might’ve had a problem. I saw almost every punch.” And that sentence from Vitali Klitschko himself says it all."
"Tyson has never been and will never be underrated. He wrecked nobody opponents with ease. He never faced anyone who knew how to fight, so when the time came he never performed as impressivly. It's Hector Lombard coming into the UFC. Ali was caught before but only a few times and never when he was in his prime fighting condition. Tyson never cut off the ring or used any of the abilities that Frazier had. Tyson had one thing on his mind and that was to run at you like freight train. He never had all of the intricacies like ring awareness in his thoughts. He had head movement, pushing forward and hooks. I think if you take into account the ring awareness and movement of Ali, he'd have easily avoided being trapped in the corners and caught Tyson as he walked in until Mike ran out of steam, before finishing him."
This is completely false and inaccurate I'm not even going to bother with this.
It doesn't matter if they were cans, the proof is in the pudding and yo have no proof to back up yours.
Again depends on your definition of stopping:
If Ali wins on the points then the fight is already over correct? Meaning it's the 12th round and the judges have to go to the scorecards to determine the winner. The fight at that time is over so how exactly is the fighter (who loses) STOPPED?
All depends on your definition, but you don't have to be a dickhead about it. Implying I can't wrap my head around something just because I disagree with you.
I agree Ali is overrated, but you are clearly biased against Tyson and you haven't provided any proof as to how Ali would brutalize him. Peace.