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Rampage: "You respect him by kicking his knee backwards?"

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#1 ·
“Vitor took the fight on short notice, and this is how you respect him, by kicking his knee backwards and stuff like that? He’s supposed to be a man of God. You can injure somebody, you can sever their career. You can mess people up for life kicking their knee back like that and he does it repeatedly, over and over. To me that has no honor. I take a lot of honor in fighting. He has no honor… [Jones is] fake. I don’t agree with his fighting style. I think I could beat Jon Jones. I know I can beat him. Jon Jones is the type of of guy you have to fight twice.”

I kinda see where Rampage is coming from but then at the same time im a believer in "You should do anything you can to win a fight".

But the knee kicking thing is certainly an extremely dangerous technique. You can easily ruin someones life forever by doing that. Not everyone is willing or CAPABLE of adding such a brutal technique in to their arsenal.

Jon Jones is obviously a violent guy inside the octagon and wants to win at any cost. I certainly cant blame the guy for it. I just wish he would be as honest outside of the octagon as he is inside of it.


But lets be real...

Other then a punchers chance Rampage has nothing on Jones. BUT he did show some serious take down defense in their fight. Jones struggled taking Rampage down.
 
#2 ·
When Anderson first used that technique there was a debate about whether or not it should be legal.

I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We saw earlier in the night a guy get his leg jacked up by a knee bar which essentially does the same thing. You can kill someone by punching them in the head the same can't be said for kicking them in the knee.
 
#4 ·
When Anderson first used that technique there was a debate about whether or not it should be legal.

I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We saw earlier in the night a guy get his leg jacked up by a knee bar which essentially does the same thing. You can kill someone by punching them in the head the same can't be said for kicking them in the knee.
Yeah but i think it has more to do with "How likely" that is to happen rather then what can happen.

If everyone was capable of applying that technique like Jones is then there would be some really severe knee injuries unlike the whole "You can kill someone by punching them".


And anyway im not against it. I think Jones has every right to use it.

But im not going to act stupid and pretend i dont see why its dangerous.




Pretty sure I've seen Anderson do this once in a while, and no one ever brings it up when he does it.
Yeah i have too.

But i also THINK that Jones used it in 1 fight more often then Anderson has through his whole career.

Dont quote me on that because im just going by memory.
 
#12 ·
Doesn't matter how much you use it, the intent is there. Do it 5 times or 50 times, really shouldn't matter besides the fact that he's done it.
And why not??

Using it once in order to keep your opponent guessing is different then trying to mess someones knee up so they cant walk. I would rather someone hits my knee once rather then 20x. There is a much better chance of my knee being messed up if someone hits it 20x.

I dont know who creates these "That doesnt matter blah blah blah" rules.




It is amusing how you mitigate the likelihood of damage with leg submissions by assuming logical preventative measures on the part of the opposing fighter but don't apply that same reasoning to these kicks.

Yes, one of the things I am asserting is the fact that the damage that can be done by blows to the head is more life altering and potentially life ending.

As far as kneebars and heelhooks are concerned I am saying two things.

1. The damage potential and likelihood is greater in a vacuum with the submissions.

2. Attempting to harm your opponents legs is an accepted and integral part of MMA thus the strike in question can't be unsportsmanlike on the grounds that it damages the legs.

Wrong.

Someone gets me in a heel hook or knee bar i have time to tap out before any serious damage is done.

Some kicks my knee in backwards, it is going to cause damage instantly. I can tap out after all i want to but the damage is done.


And i would 1000x over rather have someone punch me in the face then kick my knee backwards. You know why??? Because kicking the knee backwards is more dangerous then getting punched in the face.
 
#14 ·
I think Rampage could have a better chance the 2nd time going around, i think he would still lose, but he would do the next contender a favor by showing some of jons weakneses. Im sure hendo took a good look at that fight.


Does anyone think the rampage that fought hendo is the best rampage ever?
 
#33 ·
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That kick from Vera was nasty. I guess the nastines comes from its potential ligament injuries requiring surgery and long recovery time.

I think Rampage could have a better chance the 2nd time going around, i think he would still lose, but he would do the next contender a favor by showing some of jons weakneses. Im sure hendo took a good look at that fight.


Does anyone think the rampage that fought hendo is the best rampage ever?
Yes I do, was very impressed by that fight.
 
#17 ·
Anyone think Rampage vs. Meathead could actually happen? That interview had me laughin quite a bit when Matt called in to the show. I'm down to watch this for sure. Haha, headhunting for 90 seconds and then they both gas. Be fantastic as an exhibition, if not for 'mma purists', and I'm sure superb technique may not be on display, but I say sign this. It'd be fun.
 
#19 ·
It's a matter of rules. As long as they are allowed it's a moot point to complain about him doing them. In other martial arts such a technique is illegal because of the danger of long term damage.

In the unified MMA rules it's allowed so far, but maybe if there are cases of severe injuries it's going to be changed. It's not like everything is allowed in MMA. Low blows are forbidden in most MMA rules, soccer kicks or any kicks to a grounded opponent have been made illegal in the unified rules, so the legality of straight kicks to the knee is not necessarily written in stone.
 
#23 ·
Jackson knows nothing on "honour", he's been getting caught out with leg kicks for years. Never had any issue with front leg kicks, take evasive action, or check them if you don't like them...like any regular leg kick.

Remember a rather nasty version of this kick in the Jardine/Vera fight...great technique.
 
#29 ·
It isn't the same as greasing. Most people assumed you weren't allowed to do that and it creates an unfair advantage that this doesn't since both fighters are allowed to do it. I wouldn't go looking for outrage at the violence of techniques from the drunken and blood thirsty casual fans either.
 
#34 ·
It's a fight. The object of any fight is to win. If that means injuring your opponent so that he can't continue, so be it. I don't understand all this whining about front kicks to the knee, or side kicks, whatever. Hell, that's how it's taught in most, non-combat sport, martial arts.
 
#35 · (Edited)
Personally I despise like the technique, however I don't see on what grounds it can be made illegal. It's essentially a well placed "leg jab" or front kick to the knee.

The "problem" I have, is the technique extremely favours a person of Jones's frame, and he pretty much abuses it every fight. It's like cheat mode or Game Genie. He's kind of a dickweed.

The thing that pisses me off more about Jones in particular is the backing up / retreating with his fingers extended. People like him should be required to wear full gloves. As far as I know (feel free to correct me) finger spreading isn't allowed, yet jones seems to do it a lot on the retreat. It's hard enough to close the distance on Jones, but when you got the potential of fingers in your eyes its pretty much impossible.

He knows he already has a tremendous reach advantage over everyone, yet he throws extended fingers out to keep people even more "at bay".

Despite his success I think he's a complete self-righteous fraud, a bullshit fighter, and would abuse every rule in the book given the chance. He has no integrity.
 
#38 ·
I heard Jones saying to Rogan at the stage interview that he saw Machida doing this is some fight or what?
Need help in this cause Jones kinda of ate some syllables while saying this so i couldn't understand it in the full context.
 
#39 ·
Wow, I guess people will find a way to discredit a fighter no matter what. Just face it, kicking the patella is a legitimate move used commonly in Muay Thai, if you outlaw it because it 'could cause damage', you might as well shut down the sport, cause everything about it can be career ending.

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#43 ·
I admit I don't like watching that particular technique. You know how seeing a nut shot makes you feel like you got kicked in the nuts? It's the same for me with knee kicks. Both of my knees are pretty messed up so maybe that's why.

That said, this is fighting, not badminton. You have to be aware of the risks as a fighter. In my opinion the only strike that should be banned is elbows on the ground because everyone hates cuts and judges tend to be blinded by blood.
 
#46 ·
Bad analogy, Vitor let off when he felt his arm start popping.( some honor still left)
But I agree, I don't like the move but instead of complaining about it maybe guys should add it to their bag of tricks untill the rules change, If a few people get hurt or get their carriers shortened then it may get changed. The risk to reward is just not there on that particular move, imo.
 
#45 ·
This has nothing to do with my dislike for Jon Jones, but these push/front kicks to the knees is the technique I hate the most out of all allowed moves in the current UFC rulebook. I cringe everytime I see them, there is no doubt in my mind that they can **** somebodys career and livelyhood up for good if one of those connect. They aren't exciting, they aren't flashy, but they are dangerous and vile as ****, and I know I wouldn't like to see a kneecap dangling from a mans leg on PPV. That's not what I pay to see.
 
#47 ·
I don't blame Jones for using it. But it makes me sick that those are legal. You should not be able to look to blow out knees. You can't knee to the face on the ground? But you can stomp kick right at knees?

The sport sees enough injuries. Guys blow their knees out enough times.

The technique is a disgrace to the sport.
 
#48 ·
I don't agree with Rampage on the knee kicks. MMA in general is a dangerous sport where a guys career is on the line every moment regardless what anyone says.

In regards to the kick to the knee, its a legit technique. If they are going to start banning moves like this one there will be a long list of techniques that could be considered in the same category. I think that kick to the knee is functional as a jab almost. It messes up your timing badly and you don't want to get caught with your leg in the wrong spot when he hits it.

Anyways, back to work.
 
#49 ·
Don't really like these kicks in MMA but they are legal and by now everyone should know Bones throws these a lot. So be prepared and find a way to defend them. If you can't stop him from connecting with them, try something else. Pull guard, try to roll into a kneebar and permanently damage his knee. :thumb02:

I loved watching Rampage fight, but does he really believe he can beat JJ? Punchers chance but i think Bones would be even better prepared and finish him quicker. We've all seen the fight. Rampage hasn't impressed me in all of his last 5 fights. Put on at least one good fight, where you show any improvement to give your latest talk any credibility.
 
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