I was a bit surprised that he is 28 years old. I thought he was an upcomer like Jon Jones around age 23-25.
Erick has experience and should be around his peak then ?
How does Erick Silva match up to GSP in
- Standup
- Ground game
- Physique (stamina + strength)
My thoughts:
Standup: Ericks speed seems better than GSP while GSP seems to have more tools in the standup. Erick has powerful frequent kicks while I think GSP has better boxing. I score this category EVEN
Ground game: Ericks seems stronger than GSP in grappling, chokes etc while GSP has better takedown defence and takedowns (better balance). I score this category GSP
Physique: I think Erick Silva has the better pace throughout a long fight. I also think Erick has the better chin. I score this category for ERICK SILVA
Summary: I have Erick Silva vs George St Pierre a tie 1 - 1 - 1 in categories. What do you guys think about this possible future match up ?
I haven't seen much of Silva but his been to the 3rd round only 3 times and not once in the UFC, how can you possibly assume he has the better cardio of the two?
I think he's shown some great technique and killer instinct but that's about where it ends. It's far too early to make comparisons when his best win is over Brenneman.
Team Nogueira fighter, black belt Judoka, black belt Jiu Jitsu, very confident and very powerful striking, great fight instincts and always looking to finish opponent. Kid is trouble.
Typical Brazilian fighter you think, some are more successful than others but WW is wrestler heavy. This kid trains with the American wrestler in mind and it shows in his fights, Erick Silva is going to be a big problem for everyone in the division. He's like a young Shogun or Anderson that has put more emphasis on wrestling defense, he can do what Aldo and Silva do and IMO his hardest fight right now would be Nick Diaz.
He's fun to watch and he does seem like a good talent but a lot of people seem to think just because he got back up from underneath Brenneman he'll do the same to Fitch.
This Fitch fight will tell us a lot, if the only thing that saves him is the ref's standing him back up, he's got no hope against GSP, but if he can stuff Fitch's takedowns or get back up that'd say a lot. Fitch is much better than Brenneman.
But I don't like him and I do like Fitch so I hope he gets fitched.
he will murder GSP....needs more time though, but i think hes the new type of breed that was amazing striking and also has good TDD, i dont see many guys who can beat him at WW, i think he beats diaz, kampmann, hendricks, ellenberger (though this one is a tougher call, cuz of his amazing power) and yes..fitch
one thing i think he really needs to work on is his pace, its TOO fast, gets too sloppy...he needs to fight a little smarter
It's a very hard formula to deal with and it makes for very entertaining fights, conditioning and toughness is the key to implementing this fight style fully.
Erick has the tools and mentality to put on mad fights for a while to come, and take out big names in doing so.
I wouldn't ponder the GSP question until he fights Condit, his injury is no joke and if he were to lose the title I'm not sure he'd bother trying to get it back.
Erick Silva has great technique, he's fearless, and he's very aggressive... as far as the GSP question goes, I'll simply say out of those three traits GSP only has one. That isn't to say of course there isn't a list of things GSP outshines him in.
Either way, as my sig does read, and has read for a very long time... Erick Silva is the future of the 170lbs division.
Also, to the OP... men tend to "peak" more in their very early 30s physically... so if he stays healthy and active, we haven't seen the best Erick Silva yet. Of course the same can be said or GSP.
I would love to be a Gustaf or Weidman fan, but because their skills are so insanley overrated around the forums I've found myself hating them. I'm a big Erick Silva fan and the more "He's the best in the divison" threads that get posted, the more I'll want the guy to lose.
Based on pre-injury form, GSP wins each category. Boxing is more important IMO when you're also such a good wrestler. Silva can go for his kicks, GSP would most likely take him down even easier.
GSP is the best wrestler for take downs and TDD. And can easily control the fight from top.
With regards to stamina, GSP is able to implement his game play through 5 rounds, and doesn't seem to gas. I can't see how he loses this category, while Silva is an unknown quantity in championship rounds.
Never understood this argument. So because he only has 3 fights in the UFC and hasn't been given a real tough opponent (until now, his 4th fight he is getting a guy that had been top 3 for years) he has to be overhyped?
Is he supposed to fight Nick Diaz in the street to justify the hype? How can he fight anyone he hasn't been given?
So if he straight KO'd Fitch is he still overhyped? If not, Why would 1 punch change everything. How does 1 punch mean he is the real deal?
You are saying he is over-hyped because he hasn't been given a top UFC fighter yet. There is more to looking at their records on wiki or sherdog. From what I have seen Silva has real skill.
Silva came into the Brenneman fight and had people say "oh Silva probably has no TDD so Brenneman might just lay on him. Silva wasn't even much of a favorite. He ended up tooling him and subbing him.
I think Fitch is going to get tooled here. And then everyone will all of sudden go from he is over-hyped to this kid is a beast.
Lets see how he does against Fitch before we even begin speaking his name in the same sentence as GSP. Lets be honest his biggest win by far came over a guy who just got cut from the UFC. 14-2 is impressive but name one guy besides Brenneman that he beat, 99% of users could not answer that. (And lets be honest if it wasn't for the Story fight we wouldn't know him either)
Lets be real he has fought nobody of any noteriety so to start comparing him to one of the P4P best.
IMO the Fitch fight will tell us a lot about the guy or at least I hope it will. I don't want to see a flash knock out I want to see him pressed or see him press Fitch. Then we can maybe see how good he is. Lets not call him Kid though the man is only 3 years younger than GSP and only 4 years younger than BJ Penn. For comparison at 28 GSP had already become champ twice and beat the likes of Hughes, Kos, Fitch and Penn. By 28 BJ had already held titles in two weight classes and established a fairly decent legacy. Silva is not the young up and comer just a guy that is finally getting his shot.
His biggest win is Brenneman who was just released.
Alot of this will be answered after the Fitch fight, but as of right now I havent see any single area this kid is better than GSP except "agressiveness" if there is such a thing to be better at.
I need to see more than 4-5 minutes of this guy before I start wondering If he can beat one of the greatest of all time.
I think Fitch will dry hump him for a win. However, if he does beat Fitch I'd like to see him fight Rory Mac or the loser of GSP v Condit. Nick Diaz would be a great test as well.
I don't think they will let him lay on him for 3 rounds in Brazil.
I doubt they would do Silva/Rory. I bet they want them both to be possible contenders. They usually don't put 2 prospects like that in with eachother. That would be a good matchup though.
I think they give Ellenberger to the winner of Fitch/Silva.
The comparisons you made were between two fighters that actually fought each other. We have a much clearer picture of where Velasquez is at on a Lesnar - JDS scale, so that argument doesn't hold any water (although both of the statements you made were true, so you weren't even disproving what you thought I was saying :confused02.
Never once did I say anything about him not being good because he hasn't beaten anybody good. Just that no matter how impressive a guy looks against Charlie Brenneman it doesn't tell you much.
Rory MacDonald nearly beat the current interim champ before his 21st birthday, while Silva has yet to beat even a mediocre UFC fighter and he's 28.
I think Rory shows more skills even against weaker opponents. Nate was a weight up, sure, but the way Rory ragdolled him still showed power. Rory's GnP Vs Che Mills was impressive no matter who was on the bottom position. Silva is good but Fitch will show just how good (but not that hes worthy of a title shot or better than GSP...just for the people that'll make those threads if he wins).
I know this all happened on page 4, but yes, Weidman has very good BJJ, more of a Jeff Monson style submission grappler than a jiu jitsu player though.
He's a top game guy but he trains under Serra so I imagine he has a decent guard.
Erick - Hype is justified, he will smash Fitch and smash GSP, i'll take bets from anyone on either of those fights.
Weidman - I was impressed by the Maia victory considering the circumstances, he wrecked Munoz (who I don't rate very highly), for now the hype is a little strong but in the future he will live up to it. Right now I don't think he has anything for Andy.
Gustafsson - excellent fighter, will fight for the title more than once in his career and if Bones vacates he may well hold the LHW title but I can't see him ever beating Bones.
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