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IMO UFC 154 Main Card is Pretty Weak

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#1 ·
I get what the Ufc is doing. They have thier cash cow with GSP so they don't need to put alot of big names etc.. But I was just looking over some of the fights on the main card and they don't even make sense.

How is Lawlor still getting a Pay per View Main Card??? He has lost 3 of his last 5 fights.

Nick Ring Vs CP??? Really.. Thats's a total mismatch

Mark Hominick...Love the guy But He's been getting beat down like a street whore his last 3 fights... No way he should be on a Main card.. I mean No way... Most people get cut after 3 straight losses.. He gets a main card Pay-Per-View????

So basically We only get 2 good fights
GSP v Condit
Martin V Hendricks

I know alot of you stream the fights illegaly, but I have morales and actually pay for everything I watch....
 
#2 ·
Oh it is terribly weak.

Glad to hear the Canadians didn't sell the place out as quick as UFC anticipated. Maybe it will tell them they can't just slap GSP on a card and expect it to be huge.

The 3 fights before the 2 mains fights are pathetic. Basically all 6 guys don't deserve to be on the PPV portion of an event. Hominick has lost what? 3 in a row? Garza sucks.

CP is good...but against Nick focking Ring?

Tim lawler on a main card of anything?

The card is terrible. Especially if the main event ends in a GSP lay-a-thon.

I usually watch at a buddies house and pitch in for the PPV. But none are really GSP fans and the card sucks. I may be watching this online.
 
#4 ·
It's not the biggest card name value wise but Homninick/Garza should be good while it lasts, Costa is very underrated, and Carmont/Lawlor could be good.

Siler/Elkins should have been on the main card, that's my only real gripe.
 
#17 ·
Way to contribute to the thread.

Anyways, I agree with the op. It's frustrating as a fight fan when you want to see JUST the main event but don't want to cough up $60 + tax just to see it. Sure it's always great seeing the other fights too, but not for that kind of money.

It's a bit disappointing. If one of the fighters gets injured it'll be UFC 151 all over again.
 
#12 ·
The fighters are on the card because they are Canadians or TriStar fighters and are decently known and for the most part somewhat relevant in their respective weight classes. GSP, Carmont, Ring and Hominick all fall into that category.

Cote, Stout, Makdessi, Bocek and Menjivar also fall into this category on the prelims.

The problem is that for the UFC to have put a really good Canadian based show together they would have needed MacDonald on this card as well since he really is the only top level Canadian fighter right now outside of GSP.

As for this card Lawlor although not a great fighter is usually entertaining and I am guessing that this match up with Carmont will actually end up being a pretty good fight, maybe even fight of the night.

Ring vs Costa should be a decent fight as well and I think both guys are fairly closely matched. I think it is more of a fight night main card fight instead of a PPV fight but given the Canadian choices I can see why they went with this.

Out of all the fights on the main card the only one I am really disappointed in is the Hominick Garza fight. The only reason it is there is because Hominick is a Canadian fighter with a decently known name. His 3 losses might be a little unfair to look at(great fight against Aldo and then flash KO against KZ) but he still has 3 losses and Garza has 2 which imo isn't main event quality.

Imo Bocek vs Dos Anjos should be swapped as it will likely be a decent fight and both fighters are more relevant in their division at this time. Bocek is also Canadian and is well known enough.

As for Siler vs Elkins. No Canadian in that match but it should be a fun one. I wouldn't call it main event worthy though as both are relatively unknown to many of the MMA casuals since neither has fought on a main card of any sort yet. I do expect the winner to see a substantial step up in competition though and will probably be on a main card in there next fight(likely a free card depending on opponent).

The problem that the UFC has with this card is that they are trying to cater to the Montreal/Canadian fans by giving them their own fighters like they do whenever they have cards in other countries. Unfortunately there isn't the talent to really do so and there have been enough cards here now that it gets kind of old seeing the same old fighters again and again. Overall I think this card will be ok but I don't really predict much in the way of fireworks.
 
#14 ·
Yeah, I'm surprised by the lack of 'elite' Canadian fighters, there's GSP and Rory, everyone else is kind of mid-tier-ish. Nothing compared to Brazil who have three champs and guys like Barao, Machida, Shogun, Belfort, etc.
 
#18 ·
I catch your drift, but unlike UFC 151, the co-main is here fairly awesome. For a shot at the WW title, no less.

I don't get why people are so offended by the 'don't buy it' retort. It really is that simple. You have the freedom to rant and rave about an event, but you also have the choice to not purchase it. Go to a bar and watch it for free. Stream it for free. Wait until the event is over and then download it for free. It's not as though you're being forced to buy a subpar event. The choice is entirely yours. And when there are literally a dozen no-cost alternatives, there's really no reason to lose sleep or shed tears.
 
#19 ·
Yes but the discussion is not whether or not we are going to PAY for the event. The discussion is purely based on whether on you think it's a weak card.

We know we don't have to buy it and won't. It's just SO obvious. It's like "Thanks Captain Obvious".
 
#20 ·
Actually, it is. The OP ended his rant with, 'I know many of you illegally stream the event, but I have morals and actually buy everything I watch...' He therefore brought payment into the equation. A natural and entirely valid reaction to his final point would be, 'If you don't like it, don't pay for it'.
 
#21 ·
Actually, it is. The OP ended his rant with, 'I know many of you illegally stream the event, but I have morals and actually buy everything I watch...' He therefore brought payment into the equation. A natural and entirely valid reaction to his final point would be, 'If you don't like it, don't pay for it'.
I didn't read the original post in awhile. Fair enough.

Still not a good thread contribution imho.

And it feels like a money grab from the UFC. But as someone else stated in here, it's a chance I suppose to showcase some local fighters.
 
#22 ·
There are lots of ways to legally watch the UFC if you don't feel it is worth the full PPV value.

You can get together with buddies that chip in(make them bring the beer and snacks or a few bucks).

Go to a restaurant/bar that is showing the fights. Sure it still costs a bit but no more then if you were to just go there when there aren't fights on(unless they charge cover).

The whole argument that a PPV card isn't worth $60 is valid. The argument that a PPV card isn't worth watching is pretty hard to prove unless you are one of those guys that is only willing to watch it by yourself in your own home.

I honestly agree that this card after the main and co-main fights is on the weaker side but those fights alone make the card worth watching, you just have to find a cheaper way of doing it.
 
#23 ·
I like the FX prelims better than most of the main card. Card is still solid either way just the placement of fights seems a little odd.
 
#26 ·
I get what the Ufc is doing. They have thier cash cow with GSP so they don't need to put alot of big names etc.. But I was just looking over some of the fights on the main card and they don't even make sense.

How is Lawlor still getting a Pay per View Main Card??? He has lost 3 of his last 5 fights.

Nick Ring Vs CP??? Really.. Thats's a total mismatch

Mark Hominick...Love the guy But He's been getting beat down like a street whore his last 3 fights... No way he should be on a Main card.. I mean No way... Most people get cut after 3 straight losses.. He gets a main card Pay-Per-View????

So basically We only get 2 good fights
GSP v Condit
Martin V Hendricks

I know alot of you stream the fights illegaly, but I have morales and actually pay for everything I watch....

Strong post.


My morales is particularly low after a hard day of work.
 
#27 ·
Yes, any fight that doesn't have a big name fighter on it is a weak fight on a weak card!:confused03: The best fights are from the fighters that nobody knows or are fighting for their spot in the UFC.

Carmont/Lawlor. Carmont is an exciting prospect who is itching to rise up in the rankings. I look for him to put on a great performance. Lawlor, he's lost 3 or his last 5, and despite winning 2 of his last 3, he has to feel a sense of urgency to keep his job. If/when he loses, he's going down swinging. I look for him to fight like his life depends on it, cuz it may. Overall, I look for that fight to be very good.

Ring/Philippou. Ring has won 3 or his 4 UFC appearances. Costa has won 4 of his 5 fights. Both very talented prospects who deserve a chance to become known. I see this fight being exciting as both fighters should feel the need to become better well known.

Hominick/Garza. Mark has lost his last 3. Pablo has lost 2 in a row. Both fighters have to go batshit crazy and make this fight exciting. Win or lose, these know they have to put on a show or they are in danger of receiving their walking papers. And both fighters can be exciting fighters. This fight should be a barn burner.

Sure, there are only 2, maybe 3 name fighters on this card, but you're an idiot if you use that as evidence as the card being weak.
 
#29 ·
I'm usually very positive, and the rest of the year is a complete killer, but I'm in agreeance that this card isn't the greatest. We were spoiled with the Brazil card so I think that we're left out a little with this one.

Being a Diaz fan, even the main event sucks to me as it's basically in place of my most anticipated fight ever.

Menjivar, Stout, Cote, Carmont and Kampmann are by far my highlight fighters in this, and the only ones that even remotley spark my interest. I don't think the fights are as well lined up for excitment. We're going to see a lot of mid to low level grappling and technical but non-impactful striking the whole way through, while in Brazil we got elite BJJ and brawlers littered through the card, so I think that will tell the tale of this one.

On the bright side, the sooner we get through it, the sooner we get Bendo/Diaz, TUF finales and JDS/Cain 2.
 
#30 ·
Then don't buy it, don't stream it, do what i do for all "meh" cards ... Watch at the bar.

Although the main and co main alone are good enough me to consider buying it. I mean yeah the rest of the card is garbage, but really compared to most of the crap that's been served up as main event this year, at least it's an exciting one. I loves me some gsp and condit is a tough tough dude.
 
#31 ·
Then don't buy it, don't stream it, do what i do for all "meh" cards ... Watch at the bar.

Although the main and co main alone are good enough me to consider buying it. I mean yeah the rest of the card is garbage, but really compared to most of the crap that's been served up as main event this year, at least it's an exciting one. I loves me some gsp and condit is a tough tough dude.
To each their own. I never am thinking this before a GSP fight.

On a side note: it is annoying when people say "what do you want just a bunch of names? Best fights are sometimes the least known fighters!"

Well no kidding. You can't tell how good the fights will be before the card starts. Why get excited about a "stacked" card then because it "could" be a bunch of crappy fights. Name value and relevant fights are all you have to base it on before the event starts. The World Series of Fighting had a few good fights tonight...but that was free. Mark Hominick is irrelevant and should be on a small show...yet he is on the main card of a 60 dollar PPV? Tom Lawler? Nick Ring? Sure they could all be good scraps. But they are irrelevant. I could go down to the local bar at 2AM and watch a decent scrap between drunk idiots...doesn't mean it is PPV worthy.

I realize Carmont is a decent prospect. I really like Costas and am a fan of his. But their opponents are below average UFC fighters. Between Hominick and Garza they are on a 5 fight losing streak...and that makes PPV????

Never understood the people that defend every single card. As if it is not ok to say a card is bad. As if Dana has us brainwashed that well. It is MMA....I will watch. But I won't sit and act like it is a good looking card.
 
#32 ·
I know alot of you stream the fights illegaly, but I have money and actually pay for everything I watch....
alright then, so why don't you stream that one, this way you won't reward zuffa with your money, stating your disagreement, and you'll still get to watch the fights

weak cards on paper, more often than not, turned out to be great cards afterall

the mid tier guys don't have much chance to fight on PPV main event, so they want to shine, they need it to improve their status and pay, they're hungrier, they want it more than your average main carder.

I for one like those "weak" cards because you go in there with little expectations and usually the card ends up exceeding those little expectations and you end up being happy about the card all together.
 
#37 ·
Doesnt the UFC learn?

It was only 2 month's ago that the UFC had to scrap a ppv event because a injury ruined the main event and the rest of the card sucked without it. So why only 2 months later have the UFC gone and done it again?.

Dnt get me wrong ime looking forward to seeing Gsp back in action, and seeing the welterweight devision start moving forward again, but what the f*** Dana?. Hendricks-kempman ain't a bad co- event but if something happens or would of happened the card would of stood weak again (maybe scrapped). Why does the UFC do this, will they ever learn.
 
#43 ·
It was only 2 month's ago that the UFC had to scrap a ppv event because a injury ruined the main event and the rest of the card sucked without it. So why only 2 months later have the UFC gone and done it again?.

Dnt get me wrong ime looking forward to seeing Gsp back in action, and seeing the welterweight devision start moving forward again, but what the f*** Dana?. Hendricks-kempman ain't a bad co- event but if something happens or would of happened the card would of stood weak again (maybe scrapped). Why does the UFC do this, will they ever learn.
Hendricks and Kampmann are the top two contenders at 170 and both guys are equally deserving of a title shot.

If GSP or Condit gets or got hurt then Kampmann and Hendricks are more than suitable replacements, especially if we see Condit/Kampmann 2 considering the nature of the first fight.
 
#38 ·
I'm not sure what you're asking? To not have good main / co-main events? They can't stack every single card with big names at the rate they have shows now a days.

....and it's "would HAVE", "would of" makes no grammatical sense what so ever. Sorry, pet peeve.
 
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