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Silva is attending UFC 154.

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#1 ·
In less than two weeks, long-reigning UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St-Pierre will step back in the Octagon for the first time since April of 2011. He'll be greeted from his lengthy injury hiatus by one of the most dangerous challengers he's ever faced in Interim Champion Carlos Condit, but if he gets past that test, he may have an even bigger one awaiting him afterward.

For quite some time, there has been talk surrounding the potential for a super fight between St-Pierre and UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva. The Brazilian superstar himself has been eying that particular matchup, and a win by St-Pierre in Montreal could be the final step needed to set the fight up.

Perhaps in anticipation of that, Silva will head to Montreal next week to attend UFC 154, and he'll be sitting cageside as St-Pierre battles Condit.

That's the word from his manager via Fuel TV's UFC Tonight program. Per Tuesday's show, Silva's planning on attending the event, perhaps so as to call out St-Pierre in the cage following the fight. If he does just that, the UFC will kick off a time period for what will be one of the most anticipated fights in the organization's history.
MMA Torch (source)
 
#3 ·
Could you imagine what would happen if he told GSP he was not impressed by his performance?

MMA Forums would go down.
 
#29 ·
Yea I never understood this either. Sure if one guy is getting his ass handed to him and isn't landing much all fight...then out of no where he lands a KO punch...that could be considered sort of lucky...as he was outmatched all fight.

But like you said, fighters intend to put their fist or foot to chin. If they pull off what they are TRYING to do, how is it luck? Never understood that. I can't recall a semi-recent fight ending in luck or something that can be considered luck.
Luck isn't measured by how determined you are to make some thing happen, it's measured by how likely and how often you are able to do that one thing.

For example, I'm a terrible darts player. If I went into a darts game and my intention was to hit the bullseye with my first shot and I actually hit it, that would be considered an incredibly lucky shot. It doesn't matter if it was my intention to hit the bullseye and I hit it, what matters is the likely-hood of me hitting that bullseye consistently. The chances are very slim, because I'm rubbish.

Matt Serra KO'ing GSP could be considered an example of a lucky finish. Here's a guy with no proven real KO power who comes into the fight as a huge underdog and KO's George in the first round. Sure, he intended to KO George, but how often is he likely to pull that off? Not very likely at all.
 
#58 ·
For example, I'm a terrible darts player. If I went into a darts game and my intention was to hit the bullseye with my first shot and I actually hit it, that would be considered an incredibly lucky shot. It doesn't matter if it was my intention to hit the bullseye and I hit it, what matters is the likely-hood of me hitting that bullseye consistently. The chances are very slim, because I'm rubbish.
Not disagreeing in any way. I just would like to use this example to share a thought.
That was a good exemple for a lucky shot, but if you were allowed in that very game to throw several darts in a minimum period of time, the probability of hitting the bull's eye would increase dramatically and luck would be less significant then. So, to throw several darts, if allowed, would be a valid techinique to achieve your goal: bull's eye or KO punch.
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#8 ·
In all fairness Jake hasn't proven that much since entering the UFC though. He never had the success that he had prior to joining, and most of his fights are lackluster at best and his stand-up is positively dreadful. Hopefully St. Pierre comes back hungry off this layoff and it's a great fight. But I seriously doubt there will be a finish.
 
#17 ·
If GSP Wins at UFC 154, Anderson Silva Will Likely Step Into the Octagon to Challenge


UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva will be cage side at UFC 154 when Georges St-Pierre faces Carlos Condit for the undisputed welterweight championship.

Silva’s presence is notable for essentially one reason – because he plans on calling out St-Pierre if he’s victorious at UFC 154.

According to UFC President Dana White, Silva will be making the trip to Montreal to root St-Pierre on while he fights Carlos Condit, and then likely step into the Octagon and challenge him when the fight is over.

“There’s no doubt Anderson Silva (is) showing up to cheer Georges St-Pierre on, and he wants him to win this fight. He wants to fight him after. So I would say yes (he will challenge him in the cage),” said White on Wednesday.

Silva last fought at UFC 153 where he toyed with and then dismantled Stephan Bonnar in his home country of Brazil.

Since that time there’s been a lot of speculation for what Silva would do next in his career, and it appears all of his chips are in the basket of facing St-Pierre in a super fight assuming he’s victorious in Montreal.

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For his part, St-Pierre could care less that Silva will be lurking cage side while he’s attempting to defend his belt.

“I don’t care about Anderson Silva, he can do whatever he wants, he can go to Florida or stay in Brazil if he wants. I’m focusing on Carlos Condit. That’s all that matters to me,” St-Pierre stated.

The subject of Anderson Silva vs. Georges St-Pierre continued to come up frequently during a media call on Wednesday, but UFC President Dana White down played the notion that the fight is a done deal by any means.

Still with Silva planning on being in Montreal with the idea of calling out St-Pierre when the fight is over, just about everyone will be playing the speculation game until the main event takes place on Nov 17.
I didn't want to create another thread about this but here is another article confirming this.
 
#18 ·
GSP has had several impressive performances.

I find it funny though when people say "he was on his way" or "he was close to finishing so and so"

Since when does a potential finish count for anything in the way of a finish? Fighters get beat to a T without getting finished every card. You either finish or you don't. If you can't seem to finish a guy who is bloodied, gassed, has 1 eye, has no stand up skills....then you really aren't a finisher. Even if you may be dominant.
 
#25 ·
Hammerlock2.0;1645500[B said:
]I don't think there's anything such as a lucky shot. [/B]Fists are thrown with the intention of hitting someone's chin. If you can finish your opponent it sends a clear message.
I very much agree, with the exception of Kongo ktfo Pat Berry, I think that was a lucky punch for the most part.

GSP may not always be exciting but he is pretty dominant..imo
 
#28 ·
Man they are really trying to jam this fight and the Jones/Silva fight down everyone's throat. I feel like the interest in this has died down since GSP's layoff and it doesn't seem like either fighter is into it that much. Is there even a clip of Anderson showing any enthusiasm in getting this fight? I only hear Soares mentioning it.


I think it's a little ill timed plus there's a lot of question marks around GSP's condition considering the layoff and the injury. Who knows, he might be better now that he's hungrier as he's been saying but it's definitely a stretch. I would want him to fight another top 170er and then see if the people demand the Silva fight.
 
#30 ·
I'd laugh if Anderson Silva challenges GSP, GSP says, 'Cool story, bro', and exits the cage.

In reality, they've probably both been prepared for this. I'm certain that if GSP wins, this is to be the plan going forward, and has been for some time. I doubt Dana and the UFC would allow Anderson to enter the cage and challenge GSP without GSP being remotely aware or agreeable.
 
#31 ·
I'd laugh if Anderson Silva challenges GSP, GSP says, 'Cool story, bro', and exits the cage.

In reality, they've probably both been prepared for this. I'm certain that if GSP wins, this is to be the plan going forward, and has been for some time. I doubt Dana and the UFC would allow Anderson to enter the cage and challenge GSP without GSP being remotely aware or agreeable.
That would actually be hilarious. Especially with GSPS's robotic voice and accent, ha ha.
 
#38 ·
Luck is not 'unlikeliness'. Luck is when you're doing nothing but still achieve. Just because something is unlikely doens't mean it's lucky if you're successful. Winning the lottery isn't lucky, it's basic maths. Winning the lottery without buying a ticket... that's lucky. Knocking somebody out after throwing your fist isn't lucky. Knocking somebody out with a tooth flying from your mouth that has been loosened by a kick from your opponent... that's lucky.
 
#43 ·
Thats one way to cherry pick a definition, where did you get it? firstly, from dictionary.com

1.the force that seems to operate for good or ill in a person's life, as in shaping circumstances, events, or opportunities: With my luck I'll probably get pneumonia.
2.
good fortune; advantage or success, considered as the result of chance: He had no luck finding work.
3.
a combination of circumstances, events, etc., operating by chance to bring good or ill to a person: She's had nothing but bad luck all year.
4.
some object on which good fortune is supposed to depend: This rabbit's foot is my luck


Secondly, even using your definition we can still arrive at luck beyond your intention. Using the Serra example you need to ask the question what was the main factor in his win? His own ability or the surrounding circumstances (ie GSP's carelessness, lack of focus)

If GSP is the overall better fighter, the fight will go beyond one's control and against one's own will. Regardless of whether you think GSP is the vastly superior fighter, the categorization remains the revelant point.

In a fight, 2 forces go against each other, the stronger force becomes the circumstance or fortune that imposes itself on the other actor. When we say someone got lucky, we say it precisely because they were up against a force, which should have, negated their will.
 
#47 ·
There is no such thing as a lucky punch, since the fighter threw the punch with the intention of it landing on the opponent.

If, however, the fighter didn't throw a punch at all and the opponent still got knocked out... That is a lucky punch. :p
 
#49 ·
What about the punches the fighter doesn't intend?

Training can lead to automation, when a fighter is rocked, he might throw an unconscious punch and hit. Again, if he connects, one would have to say it was rather lucky, but one would also have to credit the training involved to cement that automation.

In this case, intent at the moment, has nothing to do whatsoever with the 'luck' of the outcome.
 
#48 ·
Certainly there is no direct measure. Hence the joy in watching a fight.

Read my 2nd last post concerning the degree of luck required. I agree its never all luck.

To say however, because I intended, there was no luck involved, is as preposterous as saying Serra winning was entirely lucky.

I can do and have trained to do a pretty good tornado kick. If I fight Anderson Silva and honestly think to myself, I'm going to try a tornado kick and knock him out, and then, I actually do, there's no better word choice to describe what happened but as 'lucky'.
 
#52 ·
To say however, because I intended, there was no luck involved, is as preposterous as saying Serra winning was entirely lucky.

I can do and have trained to do a pretty good tornado kick. If I fight Anderson Silva and honestly think to myself, I'm going to try a tornado kick and knock him out, and then, I actually do, there's no better word choice to describe what happened but as 'lucky'.
There in lies the difference, these are all pros that get paid to fight MMA. Matt Serra was a capable fighter. A vet. GSP was still fairly young, had all the confidence at the time...and was caught by a guy who trained MMA for years. Who works with a hell of a boxing coach daily...

It also would matter exactly how effective or or good your kick was. Is it world class? I would be surprised if Maia beat Anderson in and MMA fight even by sub. But in a straight BJJ contest I would expect him to win by a wide margin.

If Damien Maia intended on subbing Anderson (which he was) in an MMA fight...and pulled it off...I wouldn't call that luck. He is a BJJ Ace and trained to do that. As much of an MMA upset it would of been...it wouldn't of been luck.

If you had a world class kick...like Maia's world class BJJ. And happened to catch Anderson standing...I wouldn't be surprised. Again, we are talking pro fighters...and yourself.

Serra didn't have world class striking. But he was more experienced. He wasn't as young and naive. He had nothing to lose. It isn't out of the question that he was simply better that night and was more game for the fight.
 
#56 ·
what a pointless debate, you cant quantify luck, we cant even prove its existence, maybe what we call luck is something else, maybe luck does exist but you create it, thats why some ppl are lucky and some arent...if that were the case then luck would be a skill (i actually do think elite fighters also have luck as a skill)

but still its pointless since no1 can ever really say this or that was lucky, we dont even know the intentions of the blows thrown, not every punch is thrown to end a fight, i remember watching a couple of fights in wich the fighter that won said "i didnt throw it to KO him but i saw that he got rocked so i went for the finish" sure he hit him like he intended to but if the fighter admits that he didnt throw the strike with power to end the fight, but it still did...i guess you could maybe call that luck if you believe in luck but even then its still up for debate, some1 else could simply say it was destiny
 
#61 ·
Id love to see this superfight, but I feel like GSP will be massively undersized.



And I just saw a recent interview where Soares said Anderson walks around at 225lbs today.. I cringe when I think about how this will look when he walks into the cage and challenges a guy who at that moment will be 50lbs smaller.

If this does happen I just hope Bones enters the cage after the GSP v Silva fight.
 
#62 ·
How is he that much bigger in that picture? We all knew he was taller by a decent margin. No one had any delusion that Silva and GSP were the same height. What else? GSP's body looks just as big. His reach isn't too much shorter.

Do you have a link to that interview? I bet GSP would walk around at 205 if he let himself get as pudgy as Anderson does.

You cringe at the thought because you obviously don't like Anderson as seen with your default picture. You cringe because you know he would KTFO of GSP before GSP (the guy who takes down Rashad a 205er in practice) can hold him down.

You want Jones to call him out, but Jones doesn't want that fight. Anderson wants GSP. So there is a difference there.

Anderson...The Giant...said he would go to 178 or 180lbs. He wouldn't be anywhere near 220 on fight night. Would Jones go to 199? Could he?
 
#63 ·
Obviously a Silva fanboy judging from your reply.
You are probably one of those who thinks JBJ is way to big for Anderson, but somehow thinks he is just a couple inches taller than GSP.

Underground Iphone App, interview with Soares.

And yeah, Id much rather see JBJ fight Anderson just to shut guys like you up.

Actually I cringe at the though of anyone who is a weightclass above somebody calling out someone In a weightclass below, especially a week after he claimed he wanted 1.5 billion to fight the Champ in the weightclass above.
 
#65 ·
GSP fought BJ Penn twice at 170...didn't meet him anywhere.

He fought Sherk who is a midget even at 155. He fought him at 170...didn't meet anywhere.

He lost to Matt Serra. A Midget 155er. He fought him at 170. He didn't meet him anywhere.

Those are some of his biggest wins. All midgets. All smaller men.

Did you cringe then too? Whats the problem? Scared?
 
#67 ·
GSP fought BJ Penn twice at 170...didn't meet him anywhere.

He fought Sherk who is a midget even at 155. He fought him at 170...didn't meet anywhere.

He lost to Matt Serra. A Midget 155er. He fought him at 170. He didn't meet him anywhere.

Those are some of his biggest wins. All midgets. All smaller men.

Did you cringe then too? Whats the problem? Scared?
Ok, this is just turned into how my 3 year old argues with me. Im done with you.

Have this so called "GOAT" stop ducking number one contender in his own weightclass, or taking on cans that he can pick and chose and we wouldnt even have this thread.

But again, for anybody else who might read this. Im actually intrigued by this superfight, I just wanted to point out an obvious size difference and how calling out guys in weightclasses below you is pretty douchy and not very GOAT like if you step into the cage at 225lbs and only want to face the bigger 205lb'er if you can have 1.5 billion.
 
#74 ·
I bet you that if Silva fought GSP at 178(this is the number that keeps popping up and makes sense) then the actual weight difference fight night would be negligible and that both fighters would come in weighing 190-195 fight night.

The weight difference doesn't even matter though, even if Silva has 10 lbs on him fight night it won't change the outcome of this fight. Silva doesn't win fights because of his size, wrestling etc and 10 lbs of water isn't going to be the difference in him being able to stuff GSP's takedowns.

The heigh factor may be an issue but GSP first has to fight Condit who is the same height as Silva. Honestly the taller height if anything will make it easier for GSP to take Silva down. On the ground Silva's lanky legs will make things tough but he will also be against one of the very best fighters for passing guard.
 
#75 ·
This fight is a catch 22 for Anderson.

If he KO's GSP with a knee as he shoots 1 minute into the fight, a portion of people will say Anderson was bigger and it somehow made a difference in the outcome.

I think the fight is fair as hell and the matchup is awesome. People say GSP is the best wrestler in all of MMA, so what shoulld 15-20lbs even matter. His opponents biggest weakness is wrestling.

We get to see Anderson vs. a wrestler who is well-rounded.

Anderson is in his late 30s and has to cut extra weight, which may drain him a bit. Those factors by themselves more than makes up for the disparity in size, in my opinion.
 
#78 ·
Silva says he's not calling Gsp out.

"I'm on vacation at the fight," Silva said. "I think we just come back at the end of next year. [I've got] my personal projects underway. Tomorrow I'm going to Los Angeles to check on the progress of my gym, we're riding there. I think it's time for me to [keep] my life in order, because this thing of always being worried and having work, I just leave my personal life aside. I have my projects, my personal plans and will keep them moving forward."

"I'm going to Los Angeles and then go to Canada for the fight of Saint Pierre, and then I'm already there to shoot a movie, a feature film that I'll participate and Lyoto. It's an action movie. [It's] not my character to up and challenge anyone. I think it will not happen. I think not, I'm sure (laughs)."
Source Mma Torch.

Silva better not be taking time off till next year, I cnt be bothered with the middleweight devision at a stand still.
 
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