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***OFFICIAL*** Georges St-Pierre vs. Carlos Condit Thread

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#1 ·
Welterweight bout: 170 pounds
Five round fight for the Undisputed UFC Welterweight Championship

 
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#270 ·
LyotoLegion will drop Carlos Condit from his avatar like a bad habit and pretend he didn't spend months on end guaranteeing his victory, just you watch.

Next, BJ Penn will go in his avatar and he'll spend the next two weeks promising his victory. Then if BJ loses, rinse and repeat, he'll pull the same trick and move onto another fighter.
 
#271 ·
I agree with the sentiment that Carlos marked up Georges more, and he landed the most significant strike of the night.

George couldn't do much from the top, but of course he deserves the decision based on what the rules are.

Great fight, but Georges still can't finish.

More and more I think Silva would tool him.
 
#277 ·
People don't give GSP credit. His top game (ground) is on par with a an Anderson Silva striking game say in mid 2000s which is still pretty impressive. His technical prowess, maneuvering, slipping out of submissions constantly, control, pushing a frenetic pace, and GNP has to be commended. The ONLY thing he lacks is KO power. If he had the equivalent KO power of the LHW title holder in his respective division he would have finished 90% of his fights.

Also I realized that's why GSP is more proned to getting injured because his fights always go the distance as opposed to the other champions in other divisions who are able to finish quicker.

PS: Although exciting, as I said Condit is far too reckless with his striking even though the Brazillian kick and 3+4 lhk combo was pretty sweet. Anderson Silva would have done what he always does countering and it would be lights out.

PSS: I now believe GSP is being pressured into a fight he DOES NOT want against Anderson Silva. As much as the majority of us want to see it, it's really up to his camp. He said Condit was the biggest threat. Facing Anderson Silva will take that honour.
 
#301 ·
I get it man I watched the fights with some friends tonight who are very knowledgeable. We train together and talk mma a lot none use forums and only had bad things to say about them. I was thinking you guys must just be on the UG or sherdog but I come on here and it's a lot of the same after fights everyone bitching and tearing about elite fighters no matter the outcome.

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#288 · (Edited)
Yeah I guess it is lost on me.

You should rage quit the forum in protest.

GSP clearly won this fight. He did a bit of humping, but as I've said before in all the Fitch threads. Humping takes two.

Carlos was doing tight defense on the ground, if he had been scrambling more frantically to get up, he would have taken a far worse beating from GSP.

The onus is on the guy on the bottom to get up. You fight from your back in the UFC, you better finish the fight or you are going to lose, period.

He must have known he was losing, but he didn't give up guard and eat shots to try to get up. He made his bed.

GSP did more than enough on the ground imo Carlos knew that and there came a point in the fight where he just wanted to make it to the final bell as opposed to giving up bad positions on the ground to make an attempt to get up.
 
#291 ·
You guys fighting for the sake of fighting? Both of yous (love the enrgish) feel the same way but are too hard headed to see it :thumb02:. Canadian Psycho don't leave us that would suck :(
 
#302 ·
I guess I just don't understand how some fans can't be pleased after a fight like that. I'd envisioned this fight for years, and it surpassed my expectations, which were high to begin with. There's just no pleasing some people. Yes it was a five round decision. But it was five rounds of heart-stopping action. There's really no reason to complain. If you can't appreciate a fight like that, then there's no impressing you.
 
#304 ·
Fightmetric is saying Condit outlanded St. Pierre by 20 strikes but that St. Pierre landed more than twice the number of significant strikes that Condit did. Interesting.

I really enjoyed this fight. St. Pierre looked really good coming off of a layoff and a career threatening injury. Condit was also very, very game even thought he was on his back most of the night. I jumped out of my seat when he knocked GSP down with that headkick in the third but was equally impressed with St. Pierre's ability to recover from it and take back control of the fight. As always, I loved watching St. Pierre grind from the guard. His ground and pound is wonderful to watch.

Still, watching this fight made me think even more that Anderson wouldn't have that much of a problem with St. Pierre. The size difference and the striking advantage are noticable.
 
#305 ·
The size difference
I understand the argument, but the size difference is exaggerated. Especially after seeing GSP tonight. He looked massive for a WW tonight, even Goldberg noticed it. His legs are getting huge too, definitely came in with a thick frame for this fight. I know he sounds very hesitant about taking a fight with Silva, but didn't he say a long time ago that if he was he wanted to get bigger? He definitely has to me. This is the most likely I feel the fight has ever been to happening. It may not be GSP's next fight though, he may have to beat Hendricks first. Anderson I think will sit back and wait to see what happens with Weidman/GSP and if GSP beats Hendricks,then we get our superfight. If Hendricks KO's GSP (only way I see him winning), we get Silva/Weidman.
 
#306 ·
People are hating on this fight? Seriously? That was the best GSP performance for a long time, and a superb fight. It wasn't 5 rounds of GSP laying on someone, or him jabbing them to death, this was a back and forth war. Georges looked superb, he made Condit, who's one of those guys who never normally makes a backwards step look tentative. Condit had opportunities to throw, but didn't. He threw 1 decent leg kick the whole fight, and immediately got taken down, that's how good GSP is. Superb fight, delighted to see Georges get the win, and can't wait for the super fight!
 
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#308 ·
I did, I said he only threw one decent LEG kick, which is true. Condit rocked GSP hard, but that was pretty much the only decent combo he did land, other than that, Georges made him look tentative.
 
#311 ·
He threw a decent HEAD kick. Not Leg kick.

I know what you are trying to say and why but that is the wrong way of saying it.

Leg kicks imply he is kicking the leg.

Since when you say KICK it already implies the fact that he is using his legs. So the word beforelets you know where he kicked. IE. HEAD kick or LEG kick. Since you dont "kick" with your arms.
 
#309 ·
How the F*ck could 2 judges score 50-45, with Condit so close to finishing the fight and inflicting the most damage there than either fighter did at any point in the fight.

When is MMA judging gonna get its shit together.. Am i the only one that thinks Lombard got robbed?
 
#316 ·
One thing I noticed is that Condit has very peculiar movement with his body when throwing shots + combos so that leg kick (signature combo) was really hard to see especially since his eye was blurry. He lowers his head, hesitates slightly and throws leg kicks and switches up high from time to time disrupting the timing and pattern. In that regards Condit is tricky. Unfortunately as I said in a previous thread he has a decent amount of arsenal, but shots that he continues over and over without trying new tactics. That's the problem every fighter has endured against GSP. They can't figure out how to stop those takedowns even though they know it's coming.

Condit is deadly, but he's not the best Muay Thai practitioner out there. His ground game is solid, but not good enough to threaten the way Maia or Werdum can. Hence why GSP could control the top position relatively easily.

Hendricks poses an interesting match up. Goldberg said something intelligent for the first time. Hendricks wings it hard leaving him open for a takedown, but that's probably because he's comfortable on the mat and does not care if it goes there. Koscheck showed that if you can keep up with Hendricks his arsenal becomes very limited and he also tires out with all the muscle he's packing. He's a big WW.

People who are against GSP, I get it. If every fighter was like that it may get a bit frustrating. But there's only one. He does a heck of a lot more than Fitch or Lay Praynard I'll tell you that much. As I said if he had finishing power, he would have TKOed 90% of his opponents by now. Look at their faces; Fitch, Alves, BJ Penn, and even Condit 1st round. He maims em, saps their energy, demoralizes them, but unfortunately can't quite put em away.

So I've come to respect that GSP methodically breaks down his opponent the blue collar way, minute by minute, round by round. Not an easy thing to do.
 
#318 ·
The two judges who scored every round for Georges shouldn't be allowed to ever judge again. They clearly can't be counted on to be objective or competent. I gave it 3 to 2 to Georges and it was an excellent fight; it definitely deserved fight of the night.

I doubt GSP takes the fight with Anderson; he knows he will get smoked. He might not even have that option if he fights Hendricks.
 
#321 ·
2? What was the other round? I can at least sort of see how you give Condit round 3, I didn't, but you can make a case for it. But what is the other round Condit is supposed to have won??

He got outstruck and controlled every single round, even round 3. Yeah he was active in the guard, I thought he did a great job, but that is not winning, that is just not losing quite as badly.

Are his arm punches from the bottom supposed to be scoring more than GSP's elbows from the top that made Condit a bloody mess? Really?
 
#319 ·
50-45 was the right score. This is MMA, not boxing. Anyone who thinks that 'damage from the bottom' is more important than being taken down in the first place, can't then really believe that being knocked down is 'the be all and end all' of scoring a round ... getting someone down is worth something, sure, but unless it's due to an actual KO you need to have that knock down amount to something more than a few seconds of 'control' (especially if you then get taken down and controlled for 90% of the round.)

Those who don't like the ground game have a right to their opinion, no matter how stupid it might be. Watching GSP manhandle the cream of the crop in the WW division (it's not like he doing this to WW rookies) and every one of them spend the whole night on their back wondering what the hell happened, is impressive.

My concern about GSP in this fight was that he seemed not able to pass half guard. Usually he puts on a clinic on how to pass guard, last night not so much ... I'm putting that down to Condit's skill from his back for now, and maybe part of the GSP plan so as not to take chances getting caught duing a switch, but in a closer fight that might a more important issue.

But what a great fight. You could never count Condit out (other than on points) and GSP kept busy and was never for a second any chance that during the ground game that the ref was going to stand them up.

I don't see how Hendricks doesn't get his chance, and because of the potential GSP 'ring rust' I think that it would be only fair to give him another true WW fight before asking him to move on to take a fight with The Spider.


As for GSP, Anderson, and Jones fighting each other, I am torn. I think they are all great champs and it would be really sad to see any of them get beat, especially in fights outside their divisions (I'll be pulling for the smaller guy in any case no matter what the fight) but man, those fights have to happen ...especially GSP/Silva.)
 
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