GSP doesn't win fights, he beats his opponents .... sure, a big first round KO is exciting, but if you are beaten by a good punch in the first round you can easily say to yourself ..."okay, my mistake, next time I need to watch out for that punch and fight a better game' .... when GSP rag dolls you for 5 rounds how do you recover from that? You can't tell yourself "he was just lucky for 5 rounds."
Probably makes a lot pf opponents question whether they belong in the UFC WW division.
Not a fan of GSP style at all, but you depicted the ultimate truth here.
It's a shame for who like great exchanges, but ppl have to live with that. Saw the same frustration on the face of great strikers facing Jiu Jitsu for their first time. Adapt or get frustrated. Don't like BJJ? Train it hard. Don't like Wrestling? Do the same. That's the way to have the chance of implementing your preferred style finish. It's that or keep complaining world is unfair to you.
Second, the two 50-45 judges should never be allowed to score fights again. GSP had nothing for Condit after the knockdown except for top control. Condit outstruck GSP starting with round 3, he even outdamaged GSP off his back. I see how under the current criteria GSP probably won these rounds but make no mistake about it, GSP was on the defense for most of the 4th and 5th round. Condit won that fight off his back (yeah, I said it). But since you can't win off your back in MMA I can see the 49-46, the 50-45 I will ignore or else I'll go crazy.
This is MMA, not wrestling. People get that mixed up sometimes, I know. Even the people who make the rules. And I don't blame the fighters who go by these rules, I blame the system.
Lolz...that's how he fights. It's very tricky actually. There's a guy in my gym that fights like em. Half is feints other is because he was hesistant and 10% was probably because he was confused. Couldn't you tell...hehe. He didn't know what was working any more, he tried to do a flying knee several times and before he launched GSP was clear out of the way already. Then he went for his patented 3+4 combos over and over. Worked in the beginning, but towards the end it was useless. It's actually pretty clever cuz he slows it down, mixes it up, and sometimes he doesn't finish with the kick. He fights somewhat similar to Cerrone. He goes with awkward angles. I like his kicks though especially his Brazillian. Unfortunately he doesn't have much power in his kicks. Not the way Mirko, Hardonk, Barry, Aldo, Barboza, Alves or even Cerrone has. I really wish GSP would have tested more of his Muay Thai. I was waiting for him to return the spinning side kick. Imagine if that was Mirko's LHK...geezus. I think GSP really didn't see that LHK cuz he didn't even try blocking it. Boink...then he fell backwards and he must have been wondering what the hell happened...lolz!
PS: What I would give for a handicap match with Anderson w/ one hand tied vs Condit.
I must say, I was incredibly imbressed (lol) with how quickly GSP engaged once he got up after getting knocked down. once he stood up he pressured Condit back to the cage... while being hurt.. I don't think his chin or mental toughness can ever be questioned again.
GSP needs to live his whole life and still will never be a fighter like that !!!
GSP is only a strategy guy, he wins by UD. Since when did he win with a TKO? KO? Didn't the world go WAR on Anderson because he won UD against Maia, and the Leites lamer? In his whole successful career of fuc***ing opponents and smashing heads he won those by UD, and the world BOOED him to death.
Why isn't that happening with the big LAMER in the whole UFC today? The guy who learned Dan Hardy that stands and bangs that he has to play by a game plan. Do strategies, and score points !!! This is not soccer, the true soul of MMA is getting ruined by such lame fighters.
I will always be a fan of a fighter such as Condit, Bonnar, etc. Those entered the octagon to fight, to do WAR, not to lay and pray !!! And score fuc***ing points!!!
I really wish the UFC puts a rule that the Championships bouts must be finished without the Judges. I hate those score cards, I like to see only blood. Not Nestle drinking fighters!!!
Get out of here with that nonsense and ignorance. GSP went at Condit from the first second to the last, he doesn't have heavy hands and Condit is nearly impossible to finish. GSP is the second best fighter in the world, but whatever, some people will complain and moan about anything just because they are ignorant. Your entire post was pure garbage after an insanely amazing fight between two amazing fighters, you don't deserve to watch guys like GSP and Condit fight.
Great fight from two of the greatest. Love both guys, it was hard because I didn't want either to lose. Condit showed alot of heart and skill in this loss tho so it's not that bad.
Yeah, I like Condit, but my opinion is that while Kampmann lost his fight, Condit was beaten.
Kampamm can look at his fight and brush off the loss as getting careless for a second and getting hit by a clean shot, a bit more concentration and the rematch could come out entirely different ... Condit on the other hand has to look at his fight and ask, what the hell could I have done to win that fight beyond just getting lucky? And he would be hard pressed to come up with any easy or credible answer.
Condit's real challange will be to not let this fight break his will and make him question his career in the MW division.
I was impressed by GSP's performance. I thought it was a very good fight and GSP came to fight. This was what you should come to expect when arguably the two best in the division square off. GSP didn't get the finish but I don't feel you can say anything bad about that because he did some serious damage to Condit but Condit stayed in there and kept fighting. GSP also showed great heart as he was in big trouble in the third and took many good strikes throughout. Overall I think this was a great performance by St Pierre.
I don't think it would be wise for GSP to fight Silva judging by this fight. GSP though fighting tough used his wrestling to over power Condit when things got a little tricky in the stand up. If GSP gets in the cage with Silva and can't take him down at will which I think will be the case I don't think he'll be able to stand up with Silva. I think if GSP fights Silva it could end up being a very devastating defeat for St Pierre.
how will he have trouble taking anderson down? if GSP truly is one of the elite wrestlers in MMA he should have no problem taking anderson down, especially since anderson doesnt depend on his strength a really good wrestler can take anyone down, look at Kos vs rumble...thats an even bigger size difference, if GSP loses its simply because hes no that good and needs to work on his wrestling. Plus i believe GSP is stronger than anderson
anyway....just watched the fight, pretty awesome! condit fought his heart out, he didnt give up and he was the ONLY fighter to not give up mentally against GSP...gotta respect that! too bad he spent to much time trying to fight off his back instead of trying to get up
Haters are going to hate. Every single time. They were looking for some straws to pull from this great fight and all they got is the UD. Some try CC did more damage but they themselves know they are being very partial but they can't resist it.
As it is, this was a great fight. GSP is also coming off of a long lay off, due to an injury. People tend to forget that in their hatred for him.
I don't hate him, nothing personal, but for me he needs to finish fights. He couldn't even knock down Condit in all 5 rounds, were Condit shocked all with his nearly finish to the champ.
i like this new Georges, he really was trying to finish out there. loading up on punches and dropping some huge elbows and bombs from the top.. however condit is almost impossible to finish so you cant hold anything against GSP for not finishing this one.. its good to see him win a real fight though rather than the snoozefest of sweet man loving that he gives to most of his opponents...
condit surprised me though it seems at times he was content to just lay on his back and pepper georges punches and elbows hoping for a submission opportunity.. it seemed like when he really wanted to get up, he was actually able to. so im curious as to why he didn't force it more. also after the fight he said he was surprised at how good GSPs top control was.. dude its GSP! duh his ******* top control is good thats what he does!
The difference being that one fights at LHW often while the other has never left WW. I realize you're trying to make a point, but at least appreciate that there are differences between GSP vs. Silva and Silva vs. Jones. Silva just threw Stefan Bonnar - a large LHW - around like it was nothing. GSP would clearly be giving up more size to Anderson than Anderson would to Jones. I'm not saying it's an excuse, but treating GSP vs. Silva as similar to Silva vs. Jones is reaching.
Anyway, all of this is getting tiresome. If the fight happens, then great. Needless to say the contract won't be signed because of the bickering of a few fanboys on MMAF.
So because he is the most versatile fighter there is....we should penalize him?
Anderson at a catch of 178 would probably be in the cage at 200. GSP fighting at 178 would enter the cage at 190 or more.
Anderson give up way more reach to Jones than GSP gives up to Anderon.
Anderson is closer to Bones height than GSP is to Anderson's height.
SO 2 out of the 3 categories for measuring size point to GSP/Anderson being closer than Anderson/Bones.
We don't have to do this GSP fight. Thats fine. There would be a giant excuse anyway after. Old man Anderson, the best fighter to ever put on MMA gloves will go up in weight, not even a catch and fight the biggest phenom the sport has seen in some time if ever. Don't worry, old man Anderson will give us a superfight. No one else wants to give up anything. Almost 40 year old Anderson will be the one to sacrifice and man up. Don't worry.
In the post-fight interview, they BOTH looked like somebody had hit them in the face, over and over and over. They also both spoke clearly and intelligently about the fight.
Somebody somewhere put this well. GSP didn't just win the mixed martial arts contest, he won the fight. But credit Condit, GSP is very good at winning mixed martial arts contests, and Condit got GSP into a you-will-have-many-many-bruises-in-the-morning fight.
I want to make a general comment about what people call GSP in 'safe mode'.
Look at round five of the Condit fight.
'Safe mode' is, your arms are burning, you legs won't fire, your lungs can't find air, and those asshole in your corner keep yelling shit you're too goddamn tired to understand. What you DO understand is that the one person you CAN see will gladly decapitate you, AND he's proven he can.
SOME of you are fighters. Can you really criticize GSO for taking the 'control him, then try to knock him out' approach? If you ar NOT a fighter, take it from me, when you're in a tiny space, with a HIGHLY wired individual trying to end you consciousness, like ain't exactly the same.
I have a really good solution to facing Carlos Condit in a space that small. No. Give me a football stadium and a machine gun .... actually, he still wins 6 out of 10.
SOME of you are fighters. Can you really criticize GSO for taking the 'control him, then try to knock him out' approach? If you ar NOT a fighter, take it from me, when you're in a tiny space, with a HIGHLY wired individual trying to end you consciousness, like ain't exactly the same.
To say GSP went into 'safe mode' is a bit of a stretch. He did what he did in the 4th and 5th, the same as he did in the 1st and 2nd, and part of the 3rd.
He stood with condit, landed some good shots (as did carlos) and then as soon as he could tell condit was comfortable and not focussing on the shot then BAM, took him down.
It was a masterclass and to me, GSPs best performance for a very long time.
The thing that made the fight for me though was that unlike a lot of GSP fights in the past, I never felt like Condit was out of the fight. He was always looking dangerous from his back and every time GSP made the slightest error, Carlos would try and make something out of it.
I thought Carlos Condit gave a very good account of himself and I 100% believe he was GSPs toughest fight to date. The Fact that GSP couldnt get the finish has nothing to do with his lack of finishing ability and everything to do with Condits heart.
GSP's next opponent better come to fight as well. Compare this fight to the Alves one. It's like Thiago didn't even try and GSP had 100% control of the fight where's Condit was game for the full 25 minutes.
Was a great showing from GSP after such a long layoff and against a tough opponent. That being said, he did seem to be missing a couple things we're used to seeing from him. First was his cardio. While going 5 rounds at that pase would kill most people, this was the first fight I've ever seen GSP look even slightly winded. Second was his standup. What made him so dangerous on his feet was his ability to stay out of range, explode in, strike and get back out before getting tagged. There wasn't really any of that this time. Even his takedowns seem more due to his immaculate timing. There were none of those steamroller doubleleg. Hoping it was ringrust, but we'll see.
GSP vs. Hendricks will see Hendricks spending alot of time on his back, very similar to GSP/Koshchek 1. No excitement there.
GSP/Silva has potential. GSP is absolutely for sure going to keep that fight on the ground. No way he's dumb enough to bang with him. He also doesn't have Sonnens tendancy to stick his head in triangles at every opportunity. That being said, those long limbs make Silva damn dangerous off his back. Just don't think it will be the one sided murder some people think.
Bummed out Condit didn't win as he's one of my favorites. GSP was taking him down too easily. The blueprint (if there is one) to beating GSP seems to be someone who has good striking and TDD. Once Condit didn't finish the TKO, I knew he was doomed because GSP went for only TD's after that and rightfully so. To beat GSP, it has to be a clean KO.
Same, I am bummed as I seriously thought Condit was going to win, and not only win, but finish as I knew a decision would never go his way.
I really thought Condit's ground game off his back would be enough to neutralize most of GSP's offense, but clearly I was wrong. GSP was able to keep up his attack and Condit couldn't really get anything solid.
I thought Condit had GSP after the headkick, but all the credit in the world to GSP for coming back, and as one article said 'He even appeared angry for the first time ever in the cage'.
As a side note, and hopefully not taken as bitterness as it isn't, but why couldn't GSP finish Condit. There were several times where I saw chances that he could have gone for, but everytime he rode it to safety again. Other than that head kick GSP was never in any real danger, so why not take the risk knowing he could regain control should it not work?
This is very true, but generally even great TDD isn't enough. BJ Penn has great TDD but it didn't do him any good. The problem is that GSP's TD timing is so good. He always hits the TD when the other guy commits to a strike. Very hard to stop a TD off guard like that, especially against someone with GSP's TD skill
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