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Cain Velasquez: I'm going to prove I'm the best when I take my belt back

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#3 ·
How is he going to go 5 rounds without being punched in the face??

Kongo and JDS-1 showed he doesn't have the best chin..

JDS by deja-vu
 
#4 ·
He should go down to 205 before he fights JDS. This rematch is going to be the worst business decision he's ever made. 2 losses to the Champion and no one is interested in a rematch, and dropping a weight class because you have to is way less marketable than doing it by choice.


I think him or Cormier would tear Jones up right now.
 
#5 ·
'I'm going to back MY belt'

Did JDS hit him that hard or is he just that stupid? Either way, it won't matter, Cain couldn't take down a one legged Junior the first time. JDS has elite TDD anyway and is the superior striker. Things will be the same, a referee saving his life as Junior punches his face into the mat.
 
#9 ·
I'd like to think Cain is gonna put up a better fight this go round. That was a perfect hit to the temple in the first fight, it's gonna be hard to replicate that. If Cain dodges the first couple hits and gets in close, who knows what will happen with Cains devastating grappling.
 
#11 ·
As far as I remember, it was actually behind the ear, right there to mess up the equilibrium. But yes, it's going to be hard to replicate that punch. AND it's HW where one punch can easily turn the table. Before Dos Santos beat him, a lot of people thought that he'd reign the HW division for years. To count him out completely doesn't make sense.
 
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I'm with Voiceless really. Although the same can happen again, I think Cain had a lot of questions to ask. Alright LL, JDS has never been held down. But he's never faced a wrestler as talented as Cain. We never got to see what happens if Cain takes him down and smashes him up for a few seconds. I think his jitz is slightly overrated and I think Cain is probably the best GnP guy at HW, so it will be interesting as fuk to see this fight to me. Really 50/50.
 
#15 ·
Cain had his leg and Junior easily shrugged him off, a one legged Junior at that.

I do think Junior's ground game is a mystery so I won't sit here and act as if he's completely dangerous off his back because, truth is I have no idea how good he is, because it's never been on show except for the moment when Carwin nearly had him a last second guillotine at the end of their fight but the fight was close to ending I don't think he tried to fight it. For the most part it's a mystery, he could be a wizard off his back or completely helpless, but there's a reason no one really knows what it's like, because he knocks people senseless on the feet.

Can Cain get him down? I guess it's possible but let's look at it like this, Cain cannot stand with him, that's been proven. So it's not like his gameplan is gonna be some big mystery, Junior also just recently fought a guy whose gameplan also wasn't a mystery in Frank Mir, and before all of this he was promised a Heavyweight title shot against the winner of Brock Lesnar/Cain Velasquez back in 2010 so he's been pretty much drilling his TDD hard day in and day out for the last two years, training with surely some of the best wrestlers in the world, because that's all he's faced is wrestlers and a submission artist in Mir whose only chance was getting him to the ground, that's all he's fought in the last two years. Shane Carwin could be considered a striker I guess, but he's got a wrestling background to go with his power punching so he still fits the bill of wrestler.

We also know Junior can take a shot, many don't feel Cain can. I don't believe the first fight was a fluke, it was an indication of Junior just being the better man, I don't think Cain gets KO'ed in 64 seconds again, I imagine he lasts longer this time but I do think an uppercut from Junior ends his Heavyweight run and sends him packing to 205 or Rich Franklin land if he can't make the cut and is stuck there which would be a shame because he is a great fighter and could beat a lot of those guys, with ease.
 
#14 ·
How many times did Tim Sylvia call it his belt when he didn't have it? BJ Penn had done it as well. Cain wasn't the first to do this.
 
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Mannnnn, I hope Cain wins. I would LOVE it if Cain wins via the same fashion in which he disposed of Bigfoot. Highly unlikely but I can imagine becoming a lot more active on this forum if it did happen.:) I do like JDS but Cain is easily my favourite HW. After seeing him batter Lesnar and Bigfoot the way he did will always lie vividly in the MMA section of my memeory.
 
#22 ·
Cain isn't moving down or going any where, his entire life he's thrived off the challenge of beating the bigger guys in competition and he's been largely successful. He's a true HW, and he looks to be completely focused and determined on getting the HW belt back. He's not just going to go away. He can fight Jones when he eventually moves up to HW.
 
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If he loses to JDS again in brutal fashion, where does he go from there? It would be near impossible to get another title shot, and I don't think Velasquez is content with being 2nd best in the world. Moving down would be the best alternative if he cannot obtain the heavyweight title.
 
#25 ·
JDS worked Cain out like Terminator. His computer vision noted habits immediately, making the takedown easy to defend before choosing the punch it knew Cain's head would be waiting for.

Calculated demolition, not lucky punch. A repeat is likely.
 
#26 ·
1) I agree with the others who say that there is no real point in getting panties in a bunch over a statement like "Going to get my belt back". It is said all the time by everyone.

2) The problem with a KO as quick as JDS got is that he really doesn't have any sense of Cain. By that I mean, BJ Penn and GSP know each other very well from their fights. They know their habits, their quirks, etc, things that you can't get from watching video. JDS blew out Cain without Cain really ever getting started.

With the above said, I still think JDS will win this. But I only think he has 2 rounds to do it in. JDS has been known to coast when he knows he is winning, Cain has never in his life coasted through anything. For me the real factor will be if the fight goes past 2 rounds, how long can JDS handle the quick in and out movement of Cain. Eventually we will see cardio vs cardio and in that match-up I pick Cain.

Still my official prediction is JDS by KO/TKO at about 4 minutes into the first round this time. I think Cain doesn't have the strongest chin and he got lucky when Kongo found out that Kongo has a shitty ground game.
 
#37 ·
Cain is not raising his chances by throwing these lines to JDS.
It will be an insane fight, anyway.

About Cain moving down to 205 if he loses: Not sure if he would be willing to do that, but he is the one paying his own bills. He should do what ever he thinks is best for him.
Who wants to be 2nd place anyway. If he can make the cut, let it be.
 
#38 ·
I hate when a fighter moves down cause they are losing, even if they are a major contender at the weight. Is Cain happy with NEVER being as good as JDS if he loses? If JDS beats him, he should keep training, beat everybody they put in front of him, and challenge AGAIN. He's 100% capable at HW, so why would he need to move down? Cause he cant beat someone?

Just for the controversy, I'm going for the Cain upset. I can see him landing some big shots on JDS on the feet from unexpected overhand kind of angles, and fighting through a big moment in the fight like Frankie E does. I think at some point he'll take the fight down and lands some big GnP elbows from close range, which will raise some questions of JDS' BJJ.
 
#39 ·
Cain has some tight crisp boxing, however JDS' has great range, harder shots, and a concrete chin. JDS also has a great base with very solid movement, the kind of guy that is hard to create angles on. I dont see Cain having what it takes on the feet to drop him. Cain is going to need to rush the TD, rush the TD, rush the TD.

JDS via KO in the first.
 
#43 ·
I hate when a fighter moves down cause they are losing, even if they are a major contender at the weight. Is Cain happy with NEVER being as good as JDS if he loses? If JDS beats him, he should keep training, beat everybody they put in front of him, and challenge AGAIN. He's 100% capable at HW, so why would he need to move down? Cause he cant beat someone?
Do you mean you hate only when they move down or generally changing weigh classes?
Do you disagree with Maia coming down to 170? Do you think that was a bad call he made?
What about Sonnen moving up?
 
#46 ·
Kind of what the other guy said, dropping down because they can't beat the champion. While Maia had a title shot at one point, his MW UFC career had become ropey, and a title shot never really seemed to be anywhere in the future. His body was more suited for WW anyways, and it's understandable that he realized that he could no longer compete at an elite level at MW and dropped down. Cain on the other hand CAN compete at an elite level, and the only reason he'd be dropping down would be if JDS was too good for him. If Demian Maia was turning away all challengers and constantly aiming for the title, I would have felt bad about him dropping, but unlike Cain he wasnt able to compete at that weight class. Cain's entire career is made up of smashing heavyweights, so he can compete as one of the best in the world and dropping down would be admitting that he isn't now, or will never be in his life, better than Junior Dos Santos, which is way too defeatist of an attitude for me to like the move (although he hasn't done anything so I'm not targeting him specifically).

Sonnen did the same in reverse. At LHW, Sonnen faced some much bigger and badder challenges than at MW, so his move isn't really taking the easy way out. He is facing someone who to me is an even more difficult challenge for him, Jon Jones, than the man he moved up from, Anderson Silva, so he is more accepting the losses and trying to carve out a more difficult route under the wall he faced at MW.
 
#45 ·
Sonnen going up was obvious, he got a title shot
He said he was going to 205 shortly after his second loss to Anderson. He was very vocal about his intentions of not being the second best. Later he got the title shot.

Maia going down was obvious too, he's built for 170
It's not about being build it's about making weight.
So Big Nog is a natural HW and Little Nog is a natural LHW?
We are speaking about options, intentions.
The guy you quoted was talking about how someone moves because they can't beat the champ, like Rich Franklin did
I know, but the question remains. If you've lost your motivation for whatever reason (double loss to the champ included)why should you get glued to something? Who said another category would not present different and exciting challenges?
 
#54 ·
I went with JDS a very long time ago, but I also said right after their last bout that I think Cain will take the rematch then JDS complete the series with a rubber match win.

Otherwise if Cain loses...he can literally beat everyone else in the division and that causes some serious problems.

Fricken Overeem. He screwed things up. Guess we'll have to see him pound out Big Foot's head.
 
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