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jon jones would pick jds apart

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#1 ·
JDS is a great fighter and an awesome guy, but in my opinion he goes down to Jones as they stand now...

JDS isn't fast enough to pose as big of a threat to jones as most think. he has great hand speed. and excellent foot work. but he is entirely too one dimensional/ and flat out too slow to be able to land anything serious on jones. johnny could EASILY keep him at bay with his barrage of kicks, 84" eye pokes(jab). and coud easily back pedal his way out of any danger while picking jds apart. If two of the fastest lhw's in rashad and machida couldn't hit him with anything serious. while Jones was worried about takedowns/boxing/clinch/head kicks/leg kicks etc. how on earth would jds land anything serious when all jon would have to worry about is about is punches.

i'm not counting jds out 100% and it would be foolish to. i can definitely see him knocking jones' head completely off of his shoulders, countering a spinning elbow or something. but just in my head i see jones winning this fight 6-7 times out of 10. and i see jones being more conservative with his spinning stuff, significantly lowering the risk of taking a bomb.

agree/disagree?
 
#5 ·
Rashad and Machida both landed pretty clean, heavy shots on Jones.

It's not just speed (which he has plenty of) that makes JDS such a beast on his feet, it's his fantastic footwork and great timing. He's able to cover ground, get in and get out, and time his shots just about as well as anyone in the UFC. If Jones beats JDS, it won't be on his feet.
 
#8 ·
Jones has shown a decent chin, and even though JDS isnt the hardest hitting fighter at anything over 185 he can still Ko the likes of Jones..

this fight will happen in the next few years though
 
#10 ·
SideWays222;1652802 JDS isnt worried about Jones punching power. JDS would throw a barrage of punches at Jones and overwhelm him. Speed wont help him avoid that.[/QUOTE said:
true, but he will be worried of jones kicks to the knee and TDs.

 
#11 ·
The most dynamic HW of all time, with the fastest hands of anyone since Arlovski, a rock solid chin, impenetrable take down defense, and 40 lbs of muscle on Jones?

JDS would KO him in the first round.

There's a few guys at HW right now who would KTFO Jones. Jones doesn't like getting hit by LHWs let alone HWs.
 
#12 ·
The most dynamic HW of all time, with the fastest hands of anyone since Arlovski, a rock solid chin, impenetrable take down defense, and 40 lbs of muscle on Jones?

JDS would KO him in the first round.

There's a few guys at HW right now who would KTFO Jones. Jones doesn't like getting hit by LHWs let alone HWs.


jones has taken some heavy shots, his chin is A okay.
 
#13 ·
Well, as your awesome display picture provides :confused02: you have been smoking a little too much sir.

I'm a huge Jones fan and I'm here to tell you that if you think Jones would beat JDS you are on another planet.

You can keep posting those pictures.. yes.. we have seen them. Have you? JDS is a monster. He would impose his size and strength and I 100% garuntee you Jones has not been hit with even a REMOTELY as strong of a punch that JDS would clock him with.

Jones would go in and use his reach (which keep in mind is NOT much vs heavyweights.. let alone JDS who can close that distance very very quickly, if you've ever watched more than anyone but JBJ fight and smoke you might be aware of this)

Sorry but you keep posting these threads, this is the third I believe, of you gazing at your crystal ball on a weekend when you're a little too high to be posting.

If you want to share you're crystal ball thought go to Sherdog they are all smoking the same thing. :thumb02:
 
#21 ·
JDS would knock Jones out cold. Jones' 84 inch reach didn't get him saved from Rashad and Machida, his chin came into play. JDS is the smasher of chins though.
ummm, yes it did. they only both got a good shot on jones through out the whole match. two of the fastest lhw werent able to really mount any offense on jj and while jds is fast hes not as fast as jj, also jon jones has great stand up defense, while jds is very hittable.
 
#20 ·
Alright a few points to address here.

1) To call JDS slow is idiotic. He is probably one of the, if not the, fastest heavyweight fighter in the UFC. His footwork is excellent and his hands are second to none. They are major reasons why he could dominate power punchers like Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson, simply because the he could hit them and get away before they could hit back.

2) Jon Jones is one of the least mobile fighters at LHW, mostly because he relies on having both a height and reach advantage in his fights. Against JDS he would still have reach (84 vs 77 inches) but both fighters are 6'4" meaning the extra force behind Bones' punches (from throwing down at his shorter opponents) is gone.

3) If you think Bones' reach advantage is going to play some huge benefit to him lets recall how JDS destroyed Stefan Struve. Not only does Struve have a longer reach than Jones, but he is also 7 foot tall. Junior made that fight look easy, getting within range and chopping the big man down in about a minute. Also, both Frank Mir and Shane Carwin had longer reaches than Junior but he managed to make those fights look easy.

4) Jones kicks are more annoying than effective. Rampage is simply an idiot and has almost never checked a kick in his career, so posting a bunch of pictures of Jones kicking him in the knees and hips isn't going to prove anything. Well, I'm wrong, it proves that Rampage can't defend kicks, but nothing else. Look, I can post pictures too!



Stop posting idiotic threads. Thanks
 
#22 ·
Alright a few points to address here.

1) To call JDS slow is idiotic. He is probably one of the, if not the, fastest heavyweight fighter in the UFC. His footwork is excellent and his hands are second to none. They are major reasons why he could dominate power punchers like Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson, simply because the he could hit them and get away before they could hit back.

2) Jon Jones is one of the least mobile fighters at LHW, mostly because he relies on having both a height and reach advantage in his fights. Against JDS he would still have reach (84 vs 77 inches) but both fighters are 6'4" meaning the extra force behind Bones' punches (from throwing down at his shorter opponents) is gone.

3) If you think Bones' reach advantage is going to play some huge benefit to him lets recall how JDS destroyed Stefan Struve. Not only does Struve have a longer reach than Jones, but he is also 7 foot tall. Junior made that fight look easy, getting within range and chopping the big man down in about a minute. Also, both Frank Mir and Shane Carwin had longer reaches than Junior but he managed to make those fights look easy.

4) Jones kicks are more annoying than effective. Rampage is simply an idiot and has almost never checked a kick in his career, so posting a bunch of pictures of Jones kicking him in the knees and hips isn't going to prove anything. Well, I'm wrong, it proves that Rampage can't defend kicks, but nothing else. Look, I can post pictures too!



Stop posting idiotic threads. Thanks
okay fist of all you are just a hater. sencond while jds is fast he probably will be at a slight speed disadvantage against jones. third struve does not have a longer reach(83) than jones(84.5) and struve although tall, is not a master of using his reach/range like JJ. jones would keep jds at bay with his jab and kicks to the knee.
 
#23 · (Edited)
I don't know.

The only advantages Jones has over JDS is his reach and diversity in attacks.

I think JDS is quicker with his attacks and has stronger attacks.

Who's stronger in the clinch? That, I'm not sure of.

You keep bringing up that Jones will keep JDS at bay with kicks and jabs.
I have a background in Tae Kwon Do, which is an art based on primarily on kicks. In TKD, we emphasize kicking with our feet, not our shin, to maximize the distance. Jones uses the same method frequently. Yes, he helps keep people at bay... especially people that lack experience in a kicking art. However, kicks are very easy to dodge, and IF your kick is dodged (and it just takes one), you leave yourself open for a very hard counter. With kicks, you commit yourself.

In regards to Jones keeping JDS at bay with jabs (like GSP vs Kosh?), JDS is a boxer before anything else. He will slip his way past the jabs and make Jones pay for extending his arm out.

That's just my two cents. I admit that I like JDS more than Jones, but I also just don't see Jones picking JDS apart like Jones did at LHW. If Jones takes it to the ground and uses grappling, that's a different story, one we don't see much with JDS.
 
#24 ·
Struve's wikipedia article lists him at 84.5, the same reach as Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Struve

It had been remeasured by the UFC on 5/24/12 and was reported by Ariel Helwani

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/uf...es-now-6-11-5-2-12m-84-5-215cm-reach-2099475/

I'm not going to even address your first (this is the correct spelling of first by the way kid) point. Since it's just your opinion. I could have wrote you off as a nut-dangler but oh well.

JDS not only leaps in and out of his striking but forms his gameplan around that ability. Also he has never gassed in a fight, meaning he could keep that pace up for 5 rounds. I don't know how you can say that Jones is going to have a speed advantage when he has never utilized a quick gameplan. Jon Jones forces his opponents back with his rangy kicks and takes the center of the cage.

The reason I say JDS has a speed advantage is because he fights fast. Jones fights tall. What will end up happening if you put those fighting styles together, well if they are the same height and JDS has experience against guys with the same length (something that NONE of Jones' opponents have had thus far) then things will end catastrophically for Jonny-boy. If 5'11" Rashad Evans could almost knock Jones out then what is a man his own size going to do?

JDS is much better at adjusting to his opponents gameplan than you give him credit for. Shogun, while I love him, always just does whatever comes naturally to him, meaning that he will often fall into bad habits and not follow a gameplan. Rampage doesn't gameplan, he just tries to throw big bombs. Lyoto really gave Jones a hard time and was winning the fight pretty nicely before he got too aggressive and was taken down.

Jones doesn't really use his jab as much as he could, he likes to use kicks as a range finder because he likes to keep as much range as possible. Also his hands are not nearly as good as people would like to imagine. He often leaves them low, something he can get away with because of his height and is a problem for a lot of tall fighters.

Just think about this... if Stefan Bonnar gave Jon Jones his hardest fight and was also 6'4" what do you think someone that is much bigger, much stronger, much faster, and much much more skilled will do? Even if JDS and Jones were physically identical I would pick JDS because of his fighting style and his abilities.

Then again why am I wasting my time trying to use rational and reasoning. You're a Jones fanboy and are pretty uneducated about the sport and about fighting in general. Not saying I'm the smartest guy in the world but it's enough for me to end this discussion here having said my piece.
 
#27 ·
Struve's wikipedia article lists him at 84.5, the same reach as Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Struve

It had been remeasured by the UFC on 5/24/12 and was reported by Ariel Helwani

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/uf...es-now-6-11-5-2-12m-84-5-215cm-reach-2099475/

I'm not going to even address your first (this is the correct spelling of first by the way kid) point. Since it's just your opinion. I could have wrote you off as a nut-dangler but oh well.

JDS not only leaps in and out of his striking but forms his gameplan around that ability. Also he has never gassed in a fight, meaning he could keep that pace up for 5 rounds. I don't know how you can say that Jones is going to have a speed advantage when he has never utilized a quick gameplan. Jon Jones forces his opponents back with his rangy kicks and takes the center of the cage.

The reason I say JDS has a speed advantage is because he fights fast. Jones fights tall. What will end up happening if you put those fighting styles together, well if they are the same height and JDS has experience against guys with the same length (something that NONE of Jones' opponents have had thus far) then things will end catastrophically for Jonny-boy. If 5'11" Rashad Evans could almost knock Jones out then what is a man his own size going to do?

JDS is much better at adjusting to his opponents gameplan than you give him credit for. Shogun, while I love him, always just does whatever comes naturally to him, meaning that he will often fall into bad habits and not follow a gameplan. Rampage doesn't gameplan, he just tries to throw big bombs. Lyoto really gave Jones a hard time and was winning the fight pretty nicely before he got too aggressive and was taken down.

Jones doesn't really use his jab as much as he could, he likes to use kicks as a range finder because he likes to keep as much range as possible. Also his hands are not nearly as good as people would like to imagine. He often leaves them low, something he can get away with because of his height and is a problem for a lot of tall fighters.

Just think about this... if Stefan Bonnar gave Jon Jones his hardest fight and was also 6'4" what do you think someone that is much bigger, much stronger, much faster, and much much more skilled will do? Even if JDS and Jones were physically identical I would pick JDS because of his fighting style and his abilities.

Then again why am I wasting my time trying to use rational and reasoning. You're a Jones fanboy and are pretty uneducated about the sport and about fighting in general. Not saying I'm the smartest guy in the world but it's enough for me to end this discussion here having said my piece.
umm jds never gassed? he gassed hard against nelson and was visibly slower in the latter rds agaisnt carwin, and rashad never "almost" ko'd jj, you just reaching now. also JJ was still very green against bonnar when they fought, if they were to fight again jj would finish bonnar in 1 rd.
 
#29 ·
True, but he hasnt faced a wrestler that does it all. Kicks, punches, elbows, reach, submissions, while jds is very one dimensional with his striking. JJ would outstrike him from the outside using his jab and kicks to the knee never giving jds a chance to get inside.
 
#42 ·
I can only assume it is, I mean the guy goes around telling others they are Nut huggers while nuzzling nuts himself.

Honestly Jones only has one hope and that would be on the ground, but to get the fight there he has to get within JDS's striking range, and manage to get the take down, I don't see him getting the take down, and if he gets in range he goes to sleep. It's that simple JDS hits hard, hits faster, and will KO JBJ if they ever fight.
 
#32 ·
Very interesting fight. I have JDS taking the stand up and Jones the ground fight. If JDS keeps it standing he has a good chance of beating Jones either by decision or ko. Once the fight goes to the ground there's no stopping Jones there and the fight could be over if it happens early in the round.
 
#35 ·
Agree. I don't think he wins the fight at all if he stands most of the time. Reach isn't overrated. But the OP is overrating it. JDS would walk through anything he threw and land hard shots.

It would be an interesting fight because of Jones' wrestling and length. Not his goofy annoying kicks.

I would pick JDS to win that fight. But not saying Jones can't win. But Jones isn't going to win it standing and trading.
 
#37 ·
I'd say he's throwing up this thread for a reaction, but I'll respond out of boredom.

Jones has no fights at HW, and has never felt the power of any of the big punches, let alone the biggest. Honestly, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Big Country put him out with an overhand. I don't see Jones being able to take a loaded up punch, and when he doesn't completley tower over his opponents like he does now and is facing some difficult opponents with heavy hands and good size, I wouldnt be too sure on his outcome. JDS would KO him to me. I'd be more interested in seeing him fight Stefan Struve, cause I genuinley think Struve would be able to stand with him if he got his jab working, and if he locked in even half of the armbar that Vitor had he'd easily be able to have the length to hang on to it and finish the fight. I'd actually put a bet on Struve for the win there.
 
#47 ·
I'd say he's throwing up this thread for a reaction, but I'll respond out of boredom.

Jones has no fights at HW, and has never felt the power of any of the big punches, let alone the biggest. Honestly, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Big Country put him out with an overhand. I don't see Jones being able to take a loaded up punch, and when he doesn't completley tower over his opponents like he does now and is facing some difficult opponents with heavy hands and good size, I wouldnt be too sure on his outcome. JDS would KO him to me. I'd be more interested in seeing him fight Stefan Struve, cause I genuinley think Struve would be able to stand with him if he got his jab working, and if he locked in even half of the armbar that Vitor had he'd easily be able to have the length to hang on to it and finish the fight. I'd actually put a bet on Struve for the win there.
struve would get tko'd against jones and struve doesnt know how to use his reach/jab properly like jones is why he always gets ko'd.
 
#44 ·
I also have to believe that JDS would shrug off Jon's takedown attempts. Do people honestly not yet realize how strong Junior is and how good his TDD actually is? How Junior doesn't get proper respect when he (a) is undefeated in the UFC, (b) hasn't lost a single round in the UFC, and (c) has literally destroyed all of his opponents is beyond me. If anyone should be in the P4P discussions, it's Dos Santos.
 
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