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***OFFICIAL*** Junior dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez II Thread

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#1 ·
Heavyweight bout: 255 pounds
Five round fight for the UFC Heavyweight Championship

 
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#43 ·
JDS has brilliant TD defense and its amazing because he makes opponents fight his fight. Nobody in the HW can match him in boxing, in striking Hunt and Overeem could match him.
Cain can win if he takes JDS out of his comfort zone in striking. Im sure Cain can get him down but probably not for long. When JDS gets back up Cain should feint shooting on him and surpise JDS by throwing strikes on the inside. If he mixes his attack and brings the pressure then Cain has an equal chance of winning. He cannot be predictable by using only wrestling.
 
#45 ·
Part of me almost wants JDS to win so he will have to defend against Overeeem. This will be a good fight, if there is a quick knock out it wll be like last fight; barring that Cain will gain the win. A Cain Overeeem fight will be entertaining but so far no trash has been exchanged so less anticipation; the other hand with JDS Overeem has had a good amount of trash talking and I guess you could say that it has my interest up. Saturday night looks like a good night to be a couch potato.
 
#48 ·
In my opinion there was some KEY mistakes that Cain made in the first fight:

-Cain is wrestler, turned Boxer, and like a lot of these guys the end up trying to prove a point that they can go toe with a guy who specializes in Stand up. In Dos Santo's Case, Boxing.
Cain is a good boxer too don't get me wrong, but he took a hard overhand shot to the top of the dome and ended up on the ground and those shots to ear finished him. In my experience (fighting in the gym and on the street) those shots to the ear no matter how well prepared you are will REALLY HURT you. So what Cain did wrong was that he circled left.

What Cain should have done was block the overhand right and go for the take down right after.

If Cain wants to set the pace in the fight then he has to take a risk and go for the take down as many others in this thread have stated. He really needs to make Dos Santos work if he gets him down also.

I'm really intrigued for this fight because I want to see (if taken down) can Junior Dos Santos get passed the Boxing and make it more of a Wrestling match.

It's gonna come down to being Cain being a little more careful, being aggressive and controlling the wrestling of the fight.

If Dos Santos wants to win he's gonna have use his jab and keep distance and use that uppercut if Cain shoots in.

I'm gonna be safe and pick Dos Santos, but I would not be shocked to see Cain put Dos Santos on his back and win by TKO in the second round. But to be safe I'm gonna say Dos Santos wins.
 
#52 · (Edited)
Cain can win if he doesn't let Junior plant his feet, it's definitely JDS as a favorite but if Cain can close the distance and implement a Chael Sonnen gameplan of smothering and swarming he can win.

The closer Cain can stay to JDS the better chance he has, if he stands in the 2-4 foot range he'll get knocked out again with a looping punch. Junior's punches are so powerful they are unblockable if someone is standing in the range they are getting hurt, I hope Cain comes and atleast makes it a fight instead of a one sided beat down. I hate one sided title fights, takes away all the excitement. JDS looks in better shape than ever so that probably bodes poorly for Cain, even if he can close the gap Junior looks stronger than him now he'll probably just throw Cain off him. The more I think about it the more it seems like a mismatch, the only guy that can potentially beat JDS is Overeem, Cain's chances just shrink and shrink the more you analyze it.
 
#53 ·
If Cain goes for the double leg takedown, I think it would be possible that he takes JDS down. Both Cain and JDS fight in the orthodox stance, where there is a closed guard and their hips are much closer, making it easier for Cain to go for a double leg. JDS actually got taken down by Gonzaga who utilised a double leg takedown, though Gonzaga wasn't able to keep JDS on his back. Mir went for a double leg, but switched to a single leg and didn't manage to score the takedown. However, Mir's wrestling is mediocre and Mir fights in the southpaw stance, which leads to an open guard and forced Mir to cover a longer distance to reach for JDS legs. JDS eventually escaped from Mir's single leg. Cain, who has superior wrestling, might be able to perform the double leg takedown better.

With all that said, JDS is fast and might be able to back off before Cain reaches the rear leg, presenting Cain with only the lead leg to hold on to. I'm unsure of how good Cain's double leg is though. He went for single leg takedowns against Rothwell, Lesnar and JDS in the 1st fight. He got a few double leg takedowns on Rothwell in the second half of the fight, but Rothwell has way inferior TDD defence as compared to JDS.

I don't think a single leg takedown would be enough to get JDS on his back. Single leg takedowns are much easier to fend off and JDS has great balance. Would have been great to see JDS vs Lesnar. Both fight in the orthodox stance and Lesnar has a strong double leg takedown. Might have been able to see more of JDS on his back.
 
#61 · (Edited)
...Their first meeting wasn't long enough or was it? Cain is a beast. No doubt that if CV can put JDS on his back and keep him there, his relentless pace of brutal mauling could finish JDS. I think Cain's best opportunity to win is to drag Junior into deep water. Cain has to use his superior cardio, keep moving and avoid getting caught. Velasquez has top tier stand-up but JDS has that sick one-punch finish to go along with arguably the best hands ever in the UFC HW division. The way Junior finished Mir was nasty. That last, straight right hand sent the solid 265 lb Mir flying back. Cain has a freakish puzzle to figure out. Scariest thing about Junior is that his timing is gold. Look for that hungry, bad intentions look in Junior's eyes. If Cain gets to Rd. 3 without getting caught and JDS starts gassing a bit, the takedown will be much easier for Velasquez. He will be in the driver's seat for the W. If Cain squares up with Junior early, he's gonna get caught and finished again. I hope this ends up in a sick war like it was intended to be...
 
#288 ·
...Glad I still have some insight. Not a bad pre-fight analogy post eh fellas? Congrats to Cain Velasquez- Now the baddest HW on the planet. I dare Overeem to test Cain now. Reem saw in JDS some of the best TDD get dismantled with Junior taking a beating. I think Cain can do it to Overeem as well...
 
#64 ·
Rogan is a beast. What a man.

Really want JDS to win the re-match, but it really wouldn't surprise me if Cain took him out, he looked like a killer in the fight with Big Foot. Hopefully it'll go in a similar way to the first fight, but with Cain posing slightly more of a threat, and possibly allow JDS to show off his ground game. I've got JDS by TKO in the 2nd!
 
#65 ·
Cain better head into the fight with a different gameplan. Standing with JDS is a BAD idea. Those guys at AKA better tell him to go for the takedown or tie JDS up relentlessly. Do not stand with JDS like last time! You got nothing to prove Cain. That being said, JDS takes this 2nd round KO IMO.
 
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