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Who wins the rubber match?

JDS vs Cain, Chapter 3

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#1 ·
After now witnessing their last two fights and you're betting your house on the outcome who wins the rubber match?


Cain for me, no question.
 
#2 ·
I like JDS better, but I feel like Cain's pace is too relentless and his gas tank is too good for any heavyweight to beat him bar a fast knockout. The first fight Cain just needed a new gameplan for their second meeting. In the rubber match JDS will have to improve cardio substantially and work on BJJ and clinchwork. It's a lot more development for him.
 
#3 ·
I personally think JDS was rocked badly and fought the middle rounds in a daze. He showed tremendous heart but he was already beaten badly enough to wear his body could no longer keep up. I think the 3rd fight will be an amazing fight. I see it as fight were both fighters will have success at some point unlike the first 2 matchups. I think JDS can fix the holes and he still has the ability to finish. I don't think Cain can finish off JDS after watching this last fight. I think it's going to be a war but I see JDS coming out on top again.
 
#5 ·
Unless someone uploads all the martial arts and appropriate skills straight to JDS's brain like they did to Neo in the Matrix to fix his nonexistent MMA skills he does'nt stand a chance other then landing a lucky punch in my opinion.

In other words JDS needs a miracle. Cain by vicious beating again, probably even more worse then the first time.
 
#39 · (Edited)
When you dismiss the opponent and his skills, you inherently belittle the victory. Or is that too complicated a concept for you to grasp?

Back to your pointless ramblings then.
You couldn't be more wrong. I dismissed JDS' BJJ and TDD because it's not anywhere as good as people think it is but I said JDS has one the best dimensions even though he only has one dimension. Clearly reading comprehension is not a forte of yours.
 
#6 ·
I also don't think cardio had nothing to do with JDS performance. He was hit with several bombs which prevented him from being effective in any other area but surviving.

JDS has only one thing to adjust. Only one. He needs to find a way of protecting his face while defending TDs. More combos will be wellcome as well, but if he can protect his face, that will do it.

As mentioned before. Cain wrestling alone is uneffective to take JDS down and keep him there. It's pathetically uneffective against JDS, TBH, even though he is a powerful wrestler and Cain realized that in the very first round, smartly and successfully changing his game plan to hit a surprisingly defenseless JDS to dazziness and then, only then, having the advantage to rag doll him.

And during this ragdolling, even more incredibly powerful clean shots were landed and JDS went nowhere.

Greatness is difficult to reach and deal with sometimes. I think JDS entered overconfident for this match and didn't prepare for possible variations. I personally found him a little cocky during the weigh ins (normal stuff, but maybe not used to see coming from him), promising to knock out Cain as he would just pass through him like the first time.

This loss will be good to him.
 
#18 ·
Thats a pretty idiotic thing to come out with! He's fought big hitters, good ground guys. I mean against Nelson I was impressed with is cardio as he literally threw the kitchen sink at that man.

I think what you should have said in your equation was:

if(rounds < 3 && noConcussiveBlowsRecieved == true) {
JDS Chance = 70%
}else {
JDS chance = 90%
}

It was all about Cain's switching it up and relentless pressure.
 
#43 ·
If the JDS from round 5 uber alles, bouncin' on the balls of his feet, ripping shots to the body, showed up, along with the JDS whose a BJJ black belt, then these two could trade the title for years.

If JDS is a slightly more athletic Shane Carwin with better cardio, Velasquez wins eight times out of ten.
 
#64 · (Edited)
Let me give a clue to this gent that states JDS is an one dimensional fighter by giving a clear example of an one dimensional fighter fighting an MMA match, so he can refine his parameters: James Toney
Guy is a deadly boxer with absolute no other skills and stated he would destroy Coulture in an MMA match. Nice try...

Now, JDS is versed in all major martial arts and techniques available today. He trains everything in a full camp with great coaches/masters in several arts. However, his fighting style is to box and to KO ppl. But he needs and uses his other skills to allow him to maintain the fight where he wants and that has been proven successful until this last single bout. So to say this incredibly successful athlete, who dismantled every opponent, including Cain, is one dimensional because of his last performance MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

In before. Cain is UNABLE to take JDS down and keep him there while JDS is fully awake. It's JDS's wrestling training that makes his TDD superb and it's his BJJ that makes him stand as soon as possible when the first fails. One dimensional? If he is an one dimensional fighter, lets say, just a boxer, as claimed, what on earth made him avoid getting finished for five freaking rounds against no one less than Cain Freaking Velasquez? Which pure boxer would do that, bro?
That's crazy.
 
#66 ·
JDS' TDD and BJJ is one of the biggest myths in all of MMA. What JDS really is is an incredibly fast striker with his hands who takes advantage of his opponents before they're able to do anything to him. Take this one dimension away from JDS (much like Cain did Saturday night) and he's not even a top 10 HW.

There's a reason Werdum made the comment he did about JDS' BJJ. It does'nt exist.
 
#65 ·
I have JDS. While it was a great plan by Cain, as I said before the fight, I just had a feeling that his timing would work. That doesnt make him the better boxer. Cain was landing a nice jab, but was lunging in like crazy with the back hand. If JDS had a little bit more time, the counter would have been so easy to take. Cain landing the huge overhand which basically put JDS out this time, but the odds of him doing so again would be quite slim I'd say. JDS will sharpen up his defence and block the jabs on his arms, keeping out of range of Cain's backhand and like the last fight, easily defending weak takedowns without much effort. It would take Cain rocking him again to actually get the fight to the ground, and that's where JDS lost all of his energy. I just don't see the start of the fight going the same way. In grappling and takedown defence, JDS is more than capable of getting seperation and avoiding being dragged down and if he can take the advanatge in strikes, which he should have been able to in the first fight, I see him winning a very close decision next time. Cain I imagine will give up the takedowns and turn to strikes. His chin will be praised for his endurance and in say the third round, he'll start landing big back on JDS with the rest of the rounds being close. His enegry will be down there with JDS' going late into the fight because JDS will be ripping into him with body shots, to which Joe Rogan takes a lot of notice.

Hey, might seem like an overly exact prediction...but worked out pretty well last time eh?
 
#73 ·
I was actually quite impressed with Junior's defense at least in the first scramble. He got taken down, but got up right away only to be thrown into side control and again did a great job of shaking Cain and scrambling back to his feet. He looked quite formidable until he was hurt and then gassed. The third fight should be somewhere in between these two, but if I had to bet I'd pick Cain.
 
#75 ·
Sterl, I didnt think JDS was even taken down until he was hurt. I was actually really unimpressed by Cain's grappling. JDS wasn't using BJJ or any skill to stand up, Cain was just not strong enough on the ground to stop him. He kept himself light on JDS where he could have smashed him with GnP had he been able to hold him down. He could really use some BJJ training to improve his wrestling.

BOOM, well like every fighter he has a stand out point. He has great TDD but that's only because he wants to keep it standing to strike. His entire gameplan is geared towards striking. If someone is able to just click with their timing, like Cain did, yeah JDS is pretty screwed. But it's easier said than done and had Cain not landed that shot, I could have seen JDS doing the same again. He is THAT good at striking, that he smashed everyone enroute to beating a great champion. It's like saying old Nog was one dimentional or Cro Cop was one dimentional. They are, but can anybody actually stop them? Their entire gameplay is geared towards winning in a certain way. Anderson Silva isn't aiming to submit or out wrestle anyone, he's looking for a stand up KO, and everyone knows it. If you could out strike Anderson, you've won the fight. But as I said, easier said than done.
 
#76 ·
The story of the rematch for JDS is gonna be body shots, its the one thing he was having a lot of success with in the last fight. For Cain its gonna be more of the same likely with a stronger sense of urgency on finishing and putting the final nail in the coffin. I expect JDS to look for an answer to make Cain pay for TD attempts and to be in better shape but its not a matter of what Cain can change (because he fought damn near perfect) but rather the adjustments JDS will make that will make the next bout that much more intriguing.
 
#77 ·
Completley agree. I said in the first page or something that JDS will have insane body shots which will break Cain down in stamina. JDS will be in much better condition for this one imo and he will be so much tighter in striking defence to make sure that Cain can't catch him the way he did again. The most intriguing part will be who is pushing the pace. JDS could look for a counter, which shouldnt be too hard to find, but he might look to swap the roles and be the one pushing Cain back.
 
#78 ·
I still don't see how JDS stands a chance in their next match outside of another flash KO that catches Cain.

Cain has JDS covered in every category by miles and personally I don't see JDS magically learning all the attributes he will need. JDS has huge holes in his game, I'll go as far and say he is one of the most incomplete fighters at HW and it's just that his striking is so good that a lot of people did'nt want to see/believe it.
 
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