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***OFFICIAL*** Rashad Evans vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira Thread

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Light Heavyweight bout: 205 pounds

 
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#94 ·
I wonder what's next for Rashad. Glad to see Lil Nog get another win despite it being an ugly win.
 
#96 ·
I think seeing his team mate losing in that fashion may have played a role as well. It's a team spirit thing. Kinda like in basketball when one person is on fire than another, and pretty soon the entire squad is scoring points. Even though Rashad is a professional he's highly emotional. I'd be bummed if my team mate just got KOed before my fight. I'd be pissed too, probably would effect my game slightly.

What happened to Mike Van Arsdale...
 
#100 ·
Now the idea of Evans VS Silva sounds like BS. Rashad would simply stand with him and got destroyed. It annoys me when a fighter doesn't use his strengh to win... Henderson, Rashad...
 
#111 ·
I dunno for some odd reason I actually enjoyed the fight even though I lost a big bet like 95% of the people. I think it's because Rashad went out of his comfort zone and decided to take Lil Nog head on in his own game. But I also think it was a bit of false confidence built up by training with Vitor, Tyrone and Alistair. If you notice the camp doesn't really have any wrestlers like the way Death Clutch or Xtreme Couture was. Its a predominately striking club so it really resonated with all the Blackzillian fights. It's also quite apparent that they don't have a game planner in place. I mean just look at their instructors. Good to run a gym, but not to corner for world class fights in the UFC.

Fabio Mello is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt and MMA veteran of both Pride FC and Bellator (teaches BJJ and no gi Jiu Jitsu).[4]

Marcus Aurélio is a 4th degree blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and MMA veteran of both Pride FC and the UFC (teaches professional and beginning MMA).[5]

Mike “Bonesaw” Hyman spent his MMA career fighting out of American Top Team (Personal Trainer, General Manager of Imperial Athletics, kids programs, and leads the amateur MMA team).[6]

Lots of talent, but no direction. Kinda like the Lakers this season. Phil Jackson...where you at. Bring Phil Jackson (not Greg Jackson) to MMA and I guarantee it will translate to some wins. Point is they need someone who sees this shit on a peripheral view.

Stellar cornerman/trainers.

Matt Hume
Greg Jackson
Winklejohn
Firaz Zahabi
Jon Danaher
Rafael Cordeiro
I don't think Javier is that good, but I give props to Dave Camarillo.
Gilbert Melendez
John Hackleman
The Nogueiras
Dedé
Mike Van Arsdale
Tompkins (RIP)

Decent cornerman/trainers:
Ray Sefo
Matt Delagrotte
Jason Parillo
Feijao
Jorge Gurgel
Lance Gibson (Rampage won under his tutelage)
Duke Roufous
Almeida

Worst cornerman:
Randy Couture
Entire Wolfslair camp
Rudy Valentino
Anderson Silva (yep...he's too good of a fighter...so he has a hard time understanding why his pupils aren't able to execute. Just watch him cornering fights and you'll see how frustrated he gets. There's only one other athlete like this and that's Michael Jordan. Same issue with the Washington Wizards. He got so fed up he decided to join the team. Not necessarily a bad thing...they're just too good so they have to "dumb down" their coaching level so their pupils can understand or comprehend it. Also there tends to be added pressure having him as your cornerman because of high expectations.

Training in the gym is a whole different ball game. Anderson, Michael Jordan would be dream coaches.

If I had to pick one team it probably would be Blackhouse due to my favorite fighters being there, but Tri-Star cuz they all seem like family. They're training is far beyond most camps and you don't hear anything about dissension, egos, issues like that.

So yah Blackzillians...pay attention to this list.
 
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#115 ·
Rashad is a top fighter and looked off there. Because he didn't or wasn't able to wrestle. He is supposed to be and elite MMA wrestler who out-wrestled Phil all night long. Yet he couldn't get Lil Nog down?

What has been overrated is his striking. He has won a lot of fights because he usually has top wrestling, good athleticism, and good enough cardio to keep this up for however long. And he obviously had enough BJJ knowledge to be fine on the ground. He was never a good striker. His striking success stemmed mostly from the threat of his TD. His actual striking is god awful and always has been. He has a couple KOs over pretty much over the hill fighters or bums and fans think he is a dangerous striker with KO power. He isn't and never was.

Now with Spong and Overeem in camp he thinks he is even better. A year around good strikers doesn't amount to 20 years of boxing training and refining technique. Rashad wasn't able to get by on pure athleticism this fight. And Nog has more left than people realized. Nog loses fights when he is put on his back vs. more athletic wrestlers. Rashad didn't do that and was stuffed.

If his wrestling doesn't work he finds a hard time having success.

He is a cocky fock. He is old enough now that he should drop the image. It isn't a dance off. It isn't a swagger competition. That isn't going to scare opponents, that you try so hard to look confident. Rashad got hurt at Jackson's then ran off to try and prove something with his own camp....and failed badly. Sell any stake you have to someone else and go to a real camp and get serious for once.
 
#116 ·
I am STUNNED that Rashad lost to Lil Nog. I said in another thread that there was no chance it would happen and I pointed out how Nog lost to Bader and Phil Davis, and should have lost against Brilz. It really shows that MMAmath doesn't work and that anything can happen in any fight. I don't get why Rashad didn't relentlessly go for the TD.

Sucks for Rashad and the UFC since the big Rashad/Silva match won't happen, and they will probably lose out on 300K+ buys compared to what Silva/Weidman will do.
 
#117 ·
I agree, I was stunned too. But I must say that yea Nog IMO did lose to Brilz, he also IMO won the Bader fight. So in the end he got the wrong decision twice on both ways so it evens out. Nog showed he had good TDD in the Bader fight but I never thought he would be able to keep Rashad off him.
 
#124 ·
As far as I was aware, and you can quote me on this, but you dont have to be better at fighting than a fighter in the UFC to criticise one... If that was a case no forums would exist, no media would exist, nothing, nada, etc etc.

If someone doesnt like a fighter, and thinks they suck, then they are more than welcome to say it on here.

That being said, Rashad Evans doesnt suck... but his game plans do. He could wrestle **** pretty much anyone in the UFC but chooses to stand and have sloppy kickboxing matches which usually end at a boring decision. LEts face it, Rashads striking isnt great but his wrestling is. Does having rubbish game plans make you a bad fighter? perhaps?
 
#125 ·
So tell where I said that you had to be a UFC fighter to criticise another fighter?? Did I say that, no. So stop talking rubbish. I said I don't think any of us have the right to try and strip away a fighters accomplishments. That's all. So do not try and patronise me with the 'we are all entitled to our opinion' bull.
 
#128 ·
Rashad has faced four top 5 fighters in his entire career; Jones, Machida, Rampage, and Forrest. And he's 2-2 against them, plus a loss to Lil Nog who isn't even in the top 10 these days. Sorry, but there's no way he's an elite fighter when he can't manage a winning record against the top 5.

Has he gone far with the skills he has? Sure. But so has Josh Koscheck among others. And he's not a great fighter either. Same with Forrest, even though he was a champion as well.
 
#129 ·
To Dark Knight

Rashad is a very good fighter - I won't argue against that. I will however argue, that the Rashad we saw at UFC 156 seemed hesitant and unwilling to engage.

Wether it was because he realized he couldn't take lil Nog down and his gameplan fell apart as a result, or it was just a lack of motivation following the Jones fight we'll never know.

All I know is that Rashad turned in a less than impressive performance and on that night, I was not a fan of his (Or Nog's for that matter)

MMA fans will always be very "what have you done for me lately" minded so to speak, and Rashad has gotten a lot of hate because he's done/said a lot of stuff that didn't sit well with the average fan. Simple as that.

I still admire his abilities and respect his accomplishments, but don't tell me I have to be a fan of his because he fights through adversity. That's a fighters god damn job, all fighters get paid to do that. As for hardships outside the ring, all people have those as well.
 
#130 ·
I'm having de ja vu here with bc, cc, among a few others. This is how it begins. Best not to get too emotionally involved. I was once like this when Vitor was handed his first loss to Randy Couture way back in 1997, then many years later with Mirko vs Gonzaga and of course GSP vs Serra. I got a bit of that feeling this past weekend for sure with Overeem vs BF.

Unfortunately there wasn't any forums back then to vent. So I had to keep it in all these years. Randy is a great ambassador for the sport, but nobody expected him to beat the rising Phenom like that. Everything comes around. Lyoto kicked his head off decades later, Gonzaga would yo yo, Serra got kneed to death and lost three of his next four bouts, and the balance of the force was restored.

I guess ultimately it shows passion when you exude these kind of emotions especially when you're betting! :D
 
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#131 ·
Wether it was because he realized he couldn't take lil Nog down and his gameplan fell apart as a result, or it was just a lack of motivation following the Jones fight we'll never know.
Fair post. I think it was a lack of motivation, possibly stress due to other stuff happening that we don't know about. I think Rashad could take down Nog easily, he just didn't want to fight that night. And yes, it was a terrible performance, even I couldn't defend that. Hopefully he gets some fire back in him and rises.

I still admire his abilities and respect his accomplishments, but don't tell me I have to be a fan of his because he fights through adversity. That's a fighters god damn job, all fighters get paid to do that. As for hardships outside the ring, all people have those as well.
I think that my comments are being misinterpreted a bit. I did not say that anybody has to be a fan. I accepted that people don't like him. My issues were with comments regarding his accomplishments, which I find awfully disrespectful. That is all.



Yeah, I admit, I do get too emotionally invested. It's always so depressing to see a favourite, somebody you look up to and all that just lose. Specially to people they could conceivably beat. Oh well, I guess I shouldn't put too much on Rashad until he starts wanting to be a fighter again.
 
#133 ·
Since we're on this topic, I really wonder. Does anybody feel the same way about losing in any other sports. Seems like we're more emotionally invested in these fights. Perhaps I'd have to ask Jack Nicholson or Spike Lee themselves. Now those are die hard fans.

You could tell even Lil Nog couldn't believe it. He knew that was a big win.
 
#134 ·
Yeah people get emotionally invested in most major sports. Though I think individual sports might get a bit more emotional than team sports for the fans. Though I couldn't say for sure.

I've gotten emotional about Formula 1 - I shit you not. Ferrrari losing the driver's championship in the last corner of the last race in 2008 still hurts :p
 
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