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***OFFICIAL*** Lyoto Machida vs. Dan Henderson Thread

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#1 ·
Light Heavyweight bout: 205 pounds

 
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#252 ·
only thing that bugged me was lyoto didnt throw many left head kicks.

Left head kicks are great offensive defense against a guy like hendo. Forces him to block with his right hand therefore he cant counter with it.
 
#254 ·
u guys are funny. props to machida for not standing and getting slapped by the bomb. if you cant appreciate his style dont watch it. personally i was on the edge of my seat the entire fight. given the chance machida finishes many people which is more than can be said for a lot of the UFC roster
 
#256 ·
I was flipping my shit when he landed that sweep!!!

I dug Hendo's aggression in the first, but Machida landed the better shots. In the second, Machida was on fire. The third was obviously Henderson.

The fight wasn't thrilling by any stretch of the imagination, but it definitely had some awesome moments ala Machida's counters -- especially those knees!
 
#257 ·
To be honest I thought that Hendersons leg kicks were the most significant strikes of the entire fight. He was just BOOTING the shit out of Machida's leg lol, lifted his entire leg way up off the ground a few times and lobstered it up pretty bad.

Nothing Machida landed on Hendo seemed to have any real impact on him what so ever.

Hendo should have just kept booting Machidas legs all three rounds instead of looking for the H-bomb.
 
#258 ·
Hendo should have just kept booting Machidas legs all three rounds instead of looking for the H-bomb.
No kidding. I was going "Hendo, you idiot, keep kicking his legs goddamnit!" for most of the fight. It was landing clean nearly every single time so I have no idea why he stopped doing it.

Also, if Hendo was having that much success booting the crap out of Machida's legs, what do you think Jon Jones is gonna do to him? Machida still can't defend leg kicks and you can bet that Greg Jackson & Mike Winkeljohn will have a strategy that capitalizes on it when they start coaching Jones for the rematch.
 
#269 ·
Nope, Henderson massively out landed Machida:

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/02/machida-vs-henderson-official-ufc.html

As I said earlier, Hendo's leg kicks were the most significant and clean strikes of the fight. Apparently baby leg kicks from Carlos Condit for five rounds can win you fights and that's fine, but powerful leg kicks where you lift your entire opponents leg up from the ground and lobster it up bad don't count.

MMA judging strikes again.
 
#268 ·
Indeed. For all the criticism on Lyoto for not engaging or hitting Henderson, Henderson actually landed even less. He fell into top position and landed less signficant shots in a minute than Lyoto did with 5 seconds of GNP, won from a clean trip.

You can say all you want about 'aggression' but ring control and aggression is secondary in judges eyes to actually landing shots and effectively using techniques.
 
#270 ·
henderson's technique for throwing leg kicks is horrible and 16 landed leg kicks by henderson should never win a fight. most of hendos body shots were on the ground while machida pulled dans head close to his chest which had no leverage and no power to them. machida also slipped in the third so dan had no takedown. machida was throwing hard shots to the head and landing them, while dan was mostly missing and looked quite gooofy in doing so. hendo kept on looking for shitty inside leg kick followed by a massive over hand right throughout the entire fight, at no point did he ever decide to change things up. his only significant damage to machida was the 2 or 3 hard landed leg kicks in the 1st but thats about it
 
#272 ·
You know who really won this fight? Jon Jones. Neither guy showed anything different, and you don't really expect Hendo to, but Lyoto really didn't. The same thing that caught Lyoto last time from Jones will catch him again, Lyoto still leaves his hands down. From the man Jack Slack himself:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/5...udo-chop-is-lyoto-machida-ready-for-jon-jones

Jones switched to the same stance as Machida, faked a kick and connected a rear hook. This was possible due to Machida's non-punching hand being in no position to block - a bad habit from karate that he shows routinely. (G) It is likely that Machida's arm in the counter against Bader would not have been in position to defend against the rear hook, and this is of great concern as the superman rear hook is a tactic Jones would likely use again. This was also not a one off event in the fight - Jones hit Machida with a hard rear hook on the jaw in the first round - showing not just how good Machida's chin is, but how open he is to this punch.



You will notice (in the gif) that Jones blocks Machida's punch because his non-punching hand is in position to defend, where Machida eats Jones' punch as he attempts his signature counter. Machida can get away with having his non-punching hand low when he is fighting in the opposite stance to his opponent (or open guard) due to his head being outside of their lead shoulder, as it was against Rashad Evans. (G)
During his exchanges with Dan the hand was still too low. Against someone with as much power as Dan you figure that hand would actually come up.
 
#275 ·
I've brought up FightMetric a bunch of times - when people agree with it it's a "Very credible source."

On the other hand, when people disagree it's "A piece of unreliable crap."

I scored the fight for Machida, so did FightMetric and he also outlanded Hendo in significant strikes. Neither man was impressive here, but Machida was less crap than Hendo this time out.
 
#277 ·
I scored it 29-28 for machida. But Hendo wasn't crap. It was a terrible matchup for him. Machida can karate point fight anyone not named Jon Jones and win a split decision. He was only slightly more aggressive here than he was vs. Rampage in teh first 2 rounds. I figured the idiot who lost that one because he was so in active for 2 rounds would have smartened up. But he is SOOOOOO afraid to be hit that he tried to fight basically the same way. I don't respect that.
 
#276 ·
Fight metric is simply a tool used to demonstrate which fighter landed the most strikes.

Any "significant strikes" or other judging criteria on that website is entirely subjective and opinionated. How exactly are they measuring the significant strikes? It's their subjective opinion.

How ever, it is good to measure which fighter landed the more strikes, and that fighter was clearly Dan Henderson.

Now in my opinion, those leg kicks Dan landed were the most significant and clean strikes of the entire fight, but I highly doubt fight metric would have listed them as significant strikes.

It was a terrible performance from both men, but I still think Dan Henderson deserved to get the nod at the end.
 
#279 ·
I also don't think his cool kicks landed as much as people seem to think. Everyone says well Hendo has such a chin he didn't feel those. No, when Shogun hit Dan hard...Dan felt them. Machida hardly even hit Dan with those kicks, they did not have a lot of power on them because he was throwing them from such a distance that he could barley reach Dan.

Either way, terrible match making from the UFC. Can't believe people were so hyped for this. Stylistically it was as bad as it gets. Rashad/Machida 2 and Hendo/Lil Nog 2 would have been better.
 
#284 ·
We all know that unless your name is Aldo, you're not going to get much credit for leg kicks; and Dan Henderson is most definitely not Jose Also. And since the majority the strikes that Dan actually landed were those kicks...

Neither fighter dominated the other, but of the limited output we saw, Machida simply landed the better, more damaging techniques.

Again IMO, Dan needs to get off the juice and retire: he's never winning a title, and despite the fact I think he is a more natural MW, it's obvious he can't make that weight anymore. He has nothing left to prove.

Lyoto isn't beating Jones, and I doubt Jones is straying from LHW anytime soon. Lyoto should drop to MW and take some fights down there. AS can't fight forever.

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#286 ·
I was really surprised how well Hendo took those knees. Machida is an absolute master of landing them hard and fast. I thought before the fight that Dan would of been dropped by one and finished.
 
#293 ·
Plenty of people have stumbled and rocked Hendo. Fedor blasted him with punches and almost KO'd him in their fight. Shogun had him on rubber legs in the fourth. Anderson dropped him with strikes, Wanderlei Silva in their first fight in pride, he was knocking Hendo over for fun with strikes. He's got great recovery, but he certainly isn't unflinchable.

None of Machidas strikes seemed to have any impact on Hendo what so ever. That's because most of his shots were grazing ones because he wasn't properly in range and because he wasn't fully committing to the majority of his strikes.
 
#294 ·
Whatever dudes. If you cant appreciate the work of a unique and very skilled martial artist, then there's nothing I can say that'll make any difference.

Give me Machida any day over Hendo and his rubbish style. I'm not going to root for a twat who has got so far purely on an absurd chin and a big right. I may as well watch Roy Nelson.
 
#301 ·
... Machida. The guy who ran for three rounds and landed approximately jack and shit with any power on it because it's hard to land when you're constantly moving backwards.
Ryan Bader disagrees.

And those knees you mentioned? They didn't land with the knee.
Yeah, they did.
They landed with the meat of his thigh.
No, they didn't.
Go watch it again
I did.
and you'll realize his great skillful counters didn't land.
They did. And that's why he won.

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#302 ·
You can post your little one line answers but that doesn't change what happened. Bader was not koed when Machida was moving backwards. Machida was planted when he threw that shot. I've watch the fight several times and those knees were not landing with the kneecap. At all. It was all slapping with the meat of his thigh because of how violently he was throwing himself backwards to avoid any kind of strike from Hendo.

Machida landed basically nothing for 3 rounds and should have lost. I absolutely don't understand how anyone educated on the fight game can say otherwise. Neither did any damage with strikes or were landing cleanly. It had to primarily be scored with aggression and octagon control. Give Machida Rd 1 for the trip. Hendo round 2 for aggression and control & round 3 for aggression, control, and the takedown.

It is literally the only real way to score the fight. Saying anything else is simply absurd.
 
#303 ·
Was just trying to illustrate that your opinion is like everyone else's: your perception of what happened.
It's isn't fact, and when you present it as such, it comes off as arrogant and arbitrary.

"Aggression" has to be modified by "effective" in order for it to score, mate.

When did Hendo score a TD? I seem to recall a tangle which ended with him on top for a bit doing zero damage.
Are you referring to that?

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#310 ·
Machida was on top for about 10 seconds and landed two huge shots as they landed.
Hendo was on top for quite a while, and landed a few body shots and a couple soft head punches, absolutely nothing of note.

I was actually pissed Machida didn't take it down again after the first round. He obviously could have taken it down again, removed the threat of the big right hand and made a dominant showing.
 
#311 ·
Machida was on top for about 10 seconds and landed two huge shots as they landed.
Hendo was on top for quite a while, and landed a few body shots and a couple soft head punches, absolutely nothing of note.

I was actually pissed Machida didn't take it down again after the first round. He obviously could have taken it down again, removed the threat of the big right hand and made a dominant showing.
That's also what I remembered; glad I'm not losing it. :wink01:
 
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