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Cheik Kongo, should he have been DQ'ed?

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#1 ·
Not only as a fighter am I posting this, but just as a man in general. I am watching this fight and studying it to see what Kongo did to keep Cro Cop backing up and I just found out CC broke his rib in the first round. Not only that, but CC's genitalia was pretty close to terminated last night.

First off, Kongo does it in the 2nd round the first time with his crappy Muay Thai clinch (which if he just elevated it a bit he could give this knee's right to the body) instead he got CC right in the nuts. No point taken off, okay... moving on!

Now second, we are in the 4th round and CC is again backed up in the cage while Kongo commences the Muay Thai clinch. Not only does he do it once, he delivers a total of 3 knee's to the groin to CC! From the warning in the 2nd round and the point taken off the other one and then him deciding to keep doing it, he should have been disqualified.

And here is the thing about taking "5 minutes" to regain yourself after this happens. YOU CANT. In a fight, you need to breathe and when you get knee'd in the groin it makes your stomach weezy and you feel dizzy and you cant even catch a good breath even if you tried for a good 10 minutes. CC being a croatian decided to just go with it, and it ended up costing him the fight.

I'm not a fan of either, but that was just plain BS last night. I can see Bisping getting the decision to prevent a riot from happening. But this? no reason!
 
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#5 ·
jehu pitchfork said:
you try taking THAT many groin hits & be able to keep up, let alone win.
dude the guy was loosing before the groin hits....not to mention as a guy im sure you know how much of a difference it means where it its you in that area.....get your dick kicked in hurts.....but not as much as having the ballz grazed....

regarldless of the groin hit cc would have lost
 
#6 ·
hollando said:
dude the guy was loosing before the groin hits....not to mention as a guy im sure you know how much of a difference it means where it its you in that area.....get your dick kicked in hurts.....but not as much as having the ballz grazed....

regarldless of the groin hit cc would have lost
I tend to agree with this. I think the rib break in round one is what really did him in.
 
#7 ·
GMW said:
I tend to agree with this. I think the rib break in round one is what really did him in.
that an his stalking dosnt work anymore

and he knows it

he dosnt have corners any more to back the other fighter into

i really thought he would come into this fight with a resurgence man
 
#9 ·
hollando said:
that an his stalking dosnt work anymore

and he knows it

he dosnt have corners any more to back the other fighter into

i really thought he would come into this fight with a resurgence man
Exactly. I love CC, but I don't know what's taking him so long to realize he can't be relying on his right hand and right foot when his opponents have abundant space to circle to his left.

He needs to change his standup.
 
#13 ·
Sandman said:
to give Crocop the win would be a joke, a draw or a no contest or some shit.
Pardon? Come on. First of all there were TWO knees to the groin, and with lack of further evidence, they were unintentional. Big John did his job well, he took Kongo aside, told him he would be punished if he did it again, gave Crocop his 5 mins and continued the fight. Low-blows are a fairly common occurance, and referees pretty much all do what Big John did. Draw? No Contest? Are you kidding me?
 
#14 ·
Biowza said:
Pardon? Come on. First of all there were TWO knees to the groin, and with lack of further evidence, they were unintentional. Big John did his job well, he took Kongo aside, told him he would be punished if he did it again, gave Crocop his 5 mins and continued the fight. Low-blows are a fairly common occurance, and referees pretty much all do what Big John did. Draw? No Contest? Are you kidding me?
There were four, Kongo had to be warned twice. A point could have been taken away in the 2nd, which could have led to a draw due to Crocop(arguably) winning the first.
 
#15 ·
Well from what I saw the only ones that Big John saw were the two in a row. The other one didn't have a camera shot, and Mirko just looked towards Big John but he didn't do anything. As far as I am concerned the only ones that should count are the ones that have a camera shot, not just speculation. Not saying Mirko wasn't kneed more than twice but I am only counting the ones that have evidence to backt them up. I have only seen the fight once though so I am not too sure if the two in a row were the only ones caught on tape.
 
#16 ·
Biowza said:
Well from what I saw the only ones that Big John saw were the two in a row. The other one didn't have a camera shot, and Mirko just looked towards Big John but he didn't do anything. As far as I am concerned the only ones that should count are the ones that have a camera shot, not just speculation. Not saying Mirko wasn't kneed more than twice but I am only counting the ones that have evidence to backt them up. I have only seen the fight once though so I am not too sure if the two in a row were the only ones caught on tape.
He was pretty clearly kneed in the first round.#

I don't think it should have been a draw, Crocop got manhandled. But so did Rashad.
 
#17 ·
No, Big John made the right call with the stern warning. One more low blow and it would've been a point deducted. This isn't 12 rounds of boxing where losing one point doesn't affect you too much, this is 3 round mma and 1 point is usually the difference in a win or loss.

GSP nailed Hughes twice in the bells in their second fight, no point was deducted.
 
#19 ·
I counted one in the 2nd round and then 3 in the 4th! And I dont care if its once, twice, three or sixty times... It isnt fair... When you hit someone in that area, it declines their stamina. It's almost like steroids, if you take them they will help you and not help the other guy. This does the same thing, it throws the other guy off big time.

Another reason why GSP became the Welterweight Champ. After this first two kicks to the groin Hughes was just not focused on GSP anymore, he was focused on protecting his nuts. But hey, if they can get away with it then my next fight I'm going to kick/knee my opponent in the nuts 3-4 times, throw him off, then KO his ass. And if any points get deducted or I get DQ'ed then I'm just going to say "Well why not Kongo, or GSP? How come they get to do it?"

Does that sound right to you?
 
#20 ·
Biowza said:
Pardon? Come on. First of all there were TWO knees to the groin, and with lack of further evidence, they were unintentional. Big John did his job well, he took Kongo aside, told him he would be punished if he did it again, gave Crocop his 5 mins and continued the fight. Low-blows are a fairly common occurance, and referees pretty much all do what Big John did. Draw? No Contest? Are you kidding me?
DID I SAY KONGO DIDNT DESERVE TO WIN THE FIGHT? NO, SO DONT MAKE IT OUT AS IF I DID. I was saying for what ever reason if Big John wanted to do something like give Cropcop the fight it would of been lame etc. etc.
 
#21 ·
Sandman said:
Those knees to the nutts where bad but please keep in mind CRO COP HAD UP TO 5 MINUTES TO REST and he is wearing a cup after all.
have you even ever worn a cup? its not like its some magical guard that saves you from everything it limits the damage but you still feel the force of the hit, its a little piece of plastic.

you think that it makes much of a diff when you get hit by a 6,4 230pound muscle head? common.

5min is nothing, fact is after 3 shots your done for the night rib or no rib.
 
#23 ·
Thank you to the man above for understanding my concern on this. Not only are you done for the rest of the night but your concentration is out the window. I don't mind 1 accidental groin hit, but when you go over 2,3 or 4 in this case its just bullshit. All the cup does is pretty much make everything even for you and your opponent, and it doesnt even protect your nuts and is constantly moving and juggling around.

This fight should of been a disqualification, plain and simple.
 
#24 ·
i think points should have been taken off for sure. The thing is just because the camera didnt catch the first groin hits doesnt mean they didnt happen, big john should have been informed that it happened and at the 3rd hit Kongo should have been deducted a point for sure, no two ways around that.

---you can plainly see Kongo looking down in the clinch and hit Filipovic twice straight in the nuts, he knew what he was doing.

i think he still would have lost, the rib might have been the real killer from the start to be honest but it doesnt change the fact that it was a pretty dirty fight.
 
#25 ·
I don't know about DQ, but I thought they should have taken a point away for it. He did it after being warned. Also, he didn't just graze them, he gave several full on shots to the boys. I wouldn't have liked it to have been a draw, because he was losing anyways due to the broken rib, but it almost seems like nothing was done for it.
 
#26 ·
Davisty69 said:
I don't know about DQ, but I thought they should have taken a point away for it. He did it after being warned. Also, he didn't just graze them, he gave several full on shots to the boys. I wouldn't have liked it to have been a draw, because he was losing anyways due to the broken rib, but it almost seems like nothing was done for it.
nah man he didnt go full on the berries....but he did graze them.....as for the cc twig....it may be bent
 
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