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Next for Kongo?

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#1 ·
Well, he is huge. He didn't have a ground game before but he didn't look bad on the ground against Crocop which isn't saying a whole hell of a lot but you would think after that Carmello loss he would have said "Look, I have the Muay Thai thing down...I better learn how to fight on the ground because that is going to be almost everyone's game plan against me." So maybe he is getting there, we don't know yet. But there isn't a heavyweight striker (Arlovksi, Sylvia, Vera) that I would take against him if I had money on it. I dunno. Who does he fight next? I think Gonazaga and I KNOW Couture would school him. Sylvia and Vera are busy. Arlovski makes sense. I would take Kongo in that fight easily. What does everyone else think?
 
#27 ·
IronMan said:
I think that Kongo should fight the winner of Tim Sylvia vs Brandon Vera.
Would the winner of kongo/Sylvia/Vera get a title shot? A lot of people feel the winner of Syliva/Vera should get the shot, I agree that Sylvia should as he is the former champ but not Vera so maybe win or lose Vera should fight Kongo.



I think that there's a possiblity the UFC might have Kongo fight Minotauro, but that's a bad matchup style wise. Nogueira is too good on the ground and I think that he would be willing to pull guard on Kongo to win that fight.
I wanna see Minotauro deal with Kongo's new found clinch game against the fence. I could also see Kongo pulling off a much better HK than Herring and KO'ing him. However, on the ground the edge is for Nog.

So, my thought is that the UFC will put together a big striker v striker matchup by giving Kongo the winner of Sylvia v Vera, and giving CroCop the loser.
This might sound odd but is that fair to Cro Cop? I could see either of those guys being bad match ups for him.

I think that Nog might fight Werdum, and that's a fight I'd love to see go to the ground, because of how good their jiu-jitsu is.
It happened at PRIDE - Critical Coutdown Absolute 7/1/2006 strangely enough it stayed standing for most of the fight and Big Nog the UD.

My question is what's next for Andrei Arlovski?
BodogFight? But seriously, I think he should fight Cro Cop as they are both near or on their last fight winner gets a contract:)

Just had an epiphany, why not give CroCop Werdum that would have to end in a KO for Mirko.

Napao I thought was out for six months with his broken nose so I think like Randy its hard to put him in matches.
 
#28 ·
IcemanCometh said:
Would the winner of kongo/Sylvia/Vera get a title shot? A lot of people feel the winner of Syliva/Vera should get the shot, I agree that Sylvia should as he is the former champ but not Vera so maybe win or lose Vera should fight Kongo.
After Tim Sylvia's last few fights, I don't think he should get a title shot right away. The UFC knows that he wasn't impressive for a while, and I think we would all like to see him regain some composure before stepping in the octagon with randy.

I wanna see Minotauro deal with Kongo's new found clinch game against the fence. I could also see Kongo pulling off a much better HK than Herring and KO'ing him. However, on the ground the edge is for Nog.
I think Kongo is a much better striker than Nogueira, as he's much more well versed in the dynamics. Standing up, Nog is a pure boxer, and Kongo would eat a pure boxer alive.

Though I think that Nog's not afraid to pull guard in this matchup in order to put Kongo in a bad position. On the ground I think that Nog could sweep him or work that triangle/armbar/omoplata combination.

I think the fight would be interesting, and a good test of Kongo's submission defense, but he might just end up getting tapped out really quickly.

This might sound odd but is that fair to Cro Cop? I could see either of those guys being bad match ups for him.
If you are talking about Sylvia and Vera, I can understand your logic, but I think that Sylvia gives him the opportunity to utilize lots of leg kicks and Vera gives him the chance to mix it up, and he'll have to if he wants to stay out of the clinch.

I think both those fights are interesting and give CroCop a chance to recover, but that's what I thought about the Kongo fight, some I'm not entirely sure.

Just had an epiphany, why not give CroCop Werdum that would have to end in a KO for Mirko.
They're teammates, and I think that, given that Werdum is CroCop's grappling coach, that would pretty much doom CroCop to getting submitted.
 
#29 ·
IronMan said:
After Tim Sylvia's last few fights, I don't think he should get a title shot right away. The UFC knows that he wasn't impressive for a while, and I think we would all like to see him regain some composure before stepping in the octagon with randy.
I don't care how his fights looked, he beat the guys they threw at him and I think being a former champ he should get his shot. Do you feel that GSP should fight a few more, I mean he couldn't finish Koscheck. Or Hughes looked like crap against Lytle.



I think Kongo is a much better striker than Nogueira, as he's much more well versed in the dynamics. Standing up, Nog is a pure boxer, and Kongo would eat a pure boxer alive.
Is this your feeling about mauy thai guys fighting all boxers? Or is Kongo versed in mauy thai and another art. I have never see Big Nog and Cro Cop I saw he lost one and won one via armbar so I am just wondering if your using those fights as basis for think his boxing>Kongo's striking.

Though I think that Nog's not afraid to pull guard in this matchup in order to put Kongo in a bad position. On the ground I think that Nog could sweep him or work that triangle/armbar/omoplata combination.
Totally agree.

I think the fight would be interesting, and a good test of Kongo's submission defense, but he might just end up getting tapped out really quickly.
It would be better than a wrestlers and fellow striker that is for sure. I would also say Nog>Assurieo Silva in terms of bjj.


If you are talking about Sylvia and Vera, I can understand your logic, but I think that Sylvia gives him the opportunity to utilize lots of leg kicks and Vera gives him the chance to mix it up, and he'll have to if he wants to stay out of the clinch.

I think both those fights are interesting and give CroCop a chance to recover, but that's what I thought about the Kongo fight, some I'm not entirely sure.
I think Mirko loses either one he is screwed. I also feel if Tim or Brandon lose they are screwed too. Everyone would be thinking "Oh that guy lost to _______ so _______ shouldn't have problems kicking his ass." For them to be like: "Awww shit he lost, again?!?" I think its just too dangerous a situation with those three guys.


They're teammates, and I think that, given that Werdum is CroCop's grappling coach, that would pretty much doom CroCop to getting submitted.
He is I thought Mirko brought out Lister, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are still working together, as I thought Werdum was going to chute boxe to boot. I think it could be a fun build up.
 
#30 ·
i think they should throw him in with a striker, Arlovski, or the winner of Sylvia - Vera. I think if Sylvia wins the fight against Vera he will be the best opponent for Kongo as Kongo has a BIG hight advantage over Vera, and if Tim loses the fight with Vera i think Arlovski should get his act together and go in the cage with Kongo and give Mirko to Vera which would let us see if Cro Cop really is finished or if Vera is the real deal.
 
#31 ·
Kongo beat a timid and weary CC. If you watch CC fight after his last loss he was the same way. I say Kongo is lucky because i think Mirko would have beaten him if his rib did not break. I give Kongo repect and credit for the win and broken rib but he will not make it far. Mark my words as soon as Kongo faces a well rounded opponent ARLOVSKI he is toast. I could do a better job on the ground then him. Jus watch him on his back.
 
#32 ·
iSHACKABUKU said:
Kongo beat a timid and weary CC. If you watch CC fight after his last loss he was the same way. I say Kongo is lucky because i think Mirko would have beaten him if his rib did not break. I give Kongo repect and credit for the win and broken rib but he will not make it far. Mark my words as soon as Kongo faces a well rounded opponent ARLOVSKI he is toast. I could do a better job on the ground then him. Jus watch him on his back.
Having a kick that breaks ribs is a good asset. You are putting the "If" on the rib breaking. Well if Kongo hadn't kicked it, it wouldn't have broke. Kongo is going to be kicking in every fight so I wouldn't base my opinion of his ability as a fighter on the fact that his opponents rib broke because that is a possibility in every fight he has. I would give him props for that. And Arlovski ain't well rounded. I like AA alright but if you are going to keep refering to him as "well-rounded" I am gonna have to call that out as bullshit.
 
#34 ·
Biowza said:
You're proabably a troll, but anyway. He got lucky with a broken rib? care to explain that for me? No, seriously do, I would love to see this attempt. HE IS NOT HOPELESS ON THE GROUND Of course it is not his strong suit and he certainly is significantly better on the feet, but its not like whenever he gets taken down he gets pounded out or submitted right away. He hasn't lost by submission ever, so I really don't know where this whole 'hopeless/horrendous' talk comes from. What makes you think that Arlovski would tear Kongo apart? Kongo beat 'an angry, determined Mirko' (lol) CC has better striking than Arlovski and Kongo schooled him.
Mounted by CC in the first round doesn’t look good. I don’t think he's "hopeless" on the ground but right now his ground game needs a ton of work.
 
#35 ·
slapshot said:
Mounted by CC in the first round doesn’t look good. I don’t think he's "hopeless" on the ground but right now his ground game needs a ton of work.
The full mount only "=" good if you can keep it and Kongo was mounted for about 5 secs before he turned Crocop over. A. Silva was mounted by Travis Lutter too.
 
#36 ·
Next For Kongo....I think Arlovski would be the best logical contender match up for the heavyweight division right now. Both fighters seem to be headed up the ranks and the winner would be in a serious position to get a title shot. Thier styles are very simular and the fight would be a tough one to call. Maybe Arlovski can get a little more motivated for this fight than he did with Fabricio Werdum. I think Kongo would have the edge just looking at thier last two fights though. Arlovski seems to be flat are very cautious his last few fights. We all know thats not the old Arlovski. Thats why I give Kongo the edge if any.
 
#37 ·
Kongo/Vera is my pick.

I'd really like to see how Vera handles a guy like Kongo the next time around. Kongo isn't completely oblivious to the ground game, and may be powerful enough to breakout if he were in trouble. By the time he fights next I'm sure we'll see an even more improved Cheik, and he's already pretty scary. The only problem is who the UFC wants to market right now, always gotta factor that in. Vera may very will skip over and get a title shot if he beats Tim.

BTW go Timmy!
 
#39 ·
I think him vs Sylvia/Vera would be a fun fight to watch, but I think he deserves to fight Nog for the #1 contender spot. He did just beat CC, and is on a pretty nice win streak in the UFC. Kongo/Nog, winner gets Couture. Pretty much guarantees Nog vs Couture also, how can you complain about that?
 
#40 ·
Seriously why the hell would anyone want to see him vs a striker while it would be entertaining it would prove nothing. Kongo needs to prove he can fight on the ground or at least keep a fight standing before he moves up in the HW divison beating a striker doesn't really do that. Seriously though if Kongo was to fight Werdum, Gonzaga, Nogueira, Vera, or any other HW with a ground game he would lose. He has world class Muay Thai but remeber that he was facing Mirko who doesn't really throw very much he just sits back and waits which if you attack him makes you look a lot better than you are not taking anything away from Kongo.
 
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