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#1 ·
alright im 16 and i was at this party last night it was a high school party but these 3 twenty year old guys were ther because ther bit**es that no one likes. but i was talking to this one girl and all of the sudden a 23 yr old guy sucker punches me right in the jaw i didnt see it coming at all one of my hands was in a pocket the other holdin a drink and it made me fall back through a door way. i have been takin bjj for 5 months and muay thai for 3 and im currently doin wrestlin. he jumped in my guard and i tried to upkick him in the face but ended up hittin him in the sholder and then it broke up he definately got the better blow. still dont know y he did some ppl said it was a dare others said it was because i was hittin on his gf earlier. i got a bloody lip and my jaw hurts alittle but ive been hit harder but the question is is it alright to start a fight with a sucker punch and be a bitch or should u square up to the guy for a real fight. anybody have any comments
 
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alright im 16 and i was at this party last night it was a high school party but these 3 twenty year old guys were ther because ther bit**es that no one likes. but i was talking to this one girl and all of the sudden a 23 yr old guy sucker punches me right in the jaw i didnt see it coming at all one of my hands was in a pocket the other holdin a drink and it made me fall back through a door way. i have been takin bjj for 5 months and muay thai for 3 and im currently doin wrestlin. he jumped in my guard and i tried to upkick him in the face but ended up hittin him in the sholder and then it broke up he definately got the better blow. still dont know y he did some ppl said it was a dare others said it was because i was hittin on his gf earlier. i got a bloody lip and my jaw hurts alittle but ive been hit harder but the question is is it alright to start a fight with a sucker punch and be a bitch or should u square up to the guy for a real fight. anybody have any comments

The latter reason seems the more plausible. But you cant just jump at people and suckerpunch them. Unless your on TUF.

SO yeah he shoudlnt do that.
 
#6 ·
Firstly, let's make one thing clear. It seems like you know why he punched you in the face. If you hit on a guys girlfriend, it's to be expected. The first rule of self-defense is not to put yourself in a position like that.

You asked a question that, in the self-defense world, is actually an interesting debate.

"Should you square up with a guy?"

Sure. As a fighter, there are some ethics that we try to work with, but even worse than hitting a guy that's not expecting it is b*tching about getting punched when you're not expecting it.

There's a basic concept that I learned a long time ago (and I'm only a little bit older than you), and that's always to be aware of your surroundings. It's self-defense 101. Realistically, not everyone has the decency to tell you when they're pissed off.

The second bit is that you shouldn't ever whine about your opponents ethics. You, as a martial artist, can have ethics, but if you ever whine about losing a fight because your opponent broke the rules, it's a reflection on your ability as a practitioner, not on his ethics, and you're forgetting why all this stuff exists, to deal with guys who don't have the same ethics we do.

Personally, there are some policies I have, like never to armbar a drunk, because they don't know their pain threshold while intoxicated. Still, I'm not going to complain that "Oh, he was drunk and I didn't want to use that kimura" if I get punched in the face a few extra times while dealing with a guy who's had some to drink.

That said, I have one piece of advice that you really, really need to hear, because it's not something that people get taught the easy way, unfortunately.

Never hit on someone else's girlfriend.

You can plead the ignorance defense, and that's fine, but if you put yourself in that situation at some point you are going to have to deal with a guy who's bigger, stronger and more experienced than you are and doesn't really care whether or not you knew that she showed up with him.

I've been in plenty of situations where I've beaten guys up over girls, whether because they were with me, or with someone I knew, or simply because the guy was disrespecting a chick. You don't want to be the guy that acts tough and hits on a girl and ends up pulling his teeth out of his throat the next morning. You just don't.
 
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#7 ·
Never square up with someone that you don't know. You have no idea how far they're going to go. If you MUST fight them, beat them down quickly and mercilessly.

If its someone that I don't know, and he's big and tough looking, there's a fair chance that I would pull a weapon. Of course, this is after trying not to fight.

Does that make me a b*tch? Hmm. Maybe. But in the end, who cares? I've been in my fair share of scraps, and something to remember is that... well for one thing, you always get hit. If I'm going against someone who might be able to floor me in one punch, I'd rather not risk it. I expect that my martial arts training would overcome sheer size and strength (if he's unskilled), but why risk it in an uncontrolled environment?

If he wins, and knocks me out. He could do anything to me when I'm down. He could steal my money, or he could stomp me to death. Whatever it is, I'll have absolutely no control while I'm unconscious.

I also don't think that I'm the only one who follows this logic. So, if I square up with someone, I recognize the risk of him just pulling out a weapon. I see it like this; why do I plan on fighting with him? What is my intent WHILE fighting with him? Usually, my intent is to deal damage, not see who's the better fighter. So, in said situation, I might as well get straight to dealing the damage. The less time he has to retaliate, the better.

But as everyone else has already mentioned, just don't get into this crap in the first place. Win or lose, you've got to keep in mind that everyone has friends, everyone has a friend with a weapon, and nobody likes to get embarassed in front of their peers. Things escalate.
 
#9 ·
Is it ok to sucker punch someone in a street fight? Well... first consider this people such as myself carry a concealed weapon. I personally carry a .40cal glock, but people will carry all kinds of guns, knives, and all kinds of weapons. When you fight on the street you should fight as hard and as fast as you can, show no mercy. Remember people die in such fights all the time, will you it be you?

This one time when I was about your age (I think I was 17) I made the same mistake. I hit on a girl who had a boy friend and he beat my ass. He didnt even have to sucker punch, he was faster, stronger and a better fighter. And its for reasons like this that I decided to get a concealed weapons license. Don't think that practicing a martial art by itself will make you safe at parties/bars thats why I recommend to bring friends or carry a weapon legally.

If someone is willing to "sucker-punch" you and continue to attack you afterwards you end up in a zone I like to call "reasonable person standard"

"Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm."

This is why you dont start street fights. Someone is hitting on your gf you punch him in the face and when he hits the ground you kick him in the ribs and he pulls out a gun and shoots you in the head 3 times. Your dead and he will never see a jail cell or be convicted of a crime.

Be safe, and remember dont start a street fight if you arent ready to kill someone or be killed.
 
#10 ·
You guys are really escalating this thing. Streetfighting is dangerous ofcourse but not to the level you guys claim. Yes, there have been deaths in street fights, but very few. Ive never heard of one around here and ive been around. I would say ive seen more than a hundred street fights,(ive worked as a bouncer) and been in a fair share. Never have i seen a death.

Dont start fights ofcoarse, but dont back away from a fight because you think he might kill you, thats stupid. You cant let yourself get dis-respected just because you think they could have a weapon.
 
#11 ·
It really depends... I'm not talking about bar fights, I'm thnking about street fights... like on the street. Bar room brawls are... bar room brawls.

People do get killed in street fights... it's not extremely common, but it happens. Although, I don't think that I'm the one who said anything about kill or be killed. But... while I wouldn't have said it that way, Xerberus is right in the sense that you have to be realize that a confrontation can go anywhere once its been started. Again... I'm not talking about bouncing or bars, I'm referring to 'the streets...' and I do so in (hopefully) the least cliche way as possible.

However the original post was was NOT about a street fight. It is more akin to a bar fight, so it's understood why the weapon 'kill or be killed' stuff seems like it's out of nowhere.
 
#12 ·
Well I dont think anyone is going to say its good to start a fight with a suckerpunch, but its life. Noone knows the whole story but you, I mean if you were hiting on his girl and being disrespectful then it may make since to do that. But high school parties isn't MMA, theres always fights because everyone wants to show off and be cool. Just be careful of what you do next time and avoid trouble. Im sure if someone was hitting on your girl you may want to hit them to, and your not gonna go "Hey square up with me", because if you do and the other guy beats you up your gonna look stupid.
 
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Somebody responding to a similar thread in another blog once said,"Why is it that whenever somebody's girl is acting like a ho,they go after the other guy?"
While, as I have stated in my posts in the thread KOTC Girls, I do not approve of the word "ho," I believe that that word has no place in the vocabulary of a gentleman, still in this regard I think that it is quite relevant what the guy is saying...In the other thread in the other blog, somebody asked what people thought about the fact that there was this huge brawl that started in a dance club because somebody caught his girl "booty dancing" with another guy, and he swung on the guy.YOu know, only one person said,"YOu catch your girl doing stuff like that, you read the riot act to her, or quit her.What is the sense of going after the other guy?"
If you were talking to this girl,and she was enjoying the conversation, then that guy's issue should be with her, not with you.If he is so insecure that he can't handle seeing his girl talk with other people, then he shouldn't be in relationships, he should be seeking some kind of counseling.
As for squaring up with people:don't look for fights anywhere outside of a gym,etc.
I agree with the people who say that you can get killed.I was a pro musician for years....I do know of people who got killed in bar brawls.....I also know of something else that people seem to have forgotten here:
YOu can go to jail for fighting.YOu can go to jail if you seriously injure someone. YOu can go to jail on all sorts of manslaughter charges if somebody dies just as,say, the result of hitting their head on the sidewalk or something when they fall...And,while I don't know but I've been told:
If you go to jail, you will have a lot more fights.
With guys who definitely do not play fair!
Practice your art in your gym or dojo.Learn from your mistakes....Be more aware of your surroundings, like somebody else just said....Never leave yourself in a posture like you described where you can't defend yourself.Also,something else that nobody bothered to mention:Watch it with the booze, dude! Nothing can set you up quicker than getting drunk or getting high!Nothing destroys your reflexes or your ability to react more certainly than getting drunk or getting high,etc.If you are in a social situation like that, the sage advice is simply to get one drink and walk around with it all night,just taking an occasional sip off of it.People will see you with a drink so you'll look like you're "down with your homies" and stuff, and if you just take an occasional sip,you won't experience the loss of reflexes that you would otherwise.Other than that,just be more careful in the future...Like somebody said in an advice book to young guys, when you first meet a chick, you should try to, in a polite way, ascertain if it is all right to talk to her....You should say something along the lines of "Gee, I think you are a very interesting lady...But I want to know: Is it okay with you if I talk to you? Would anyone else mind if I talk with you?" Of course, there are girls who will lie..and say that they don't have a husband or a boyfriend...sometimes they are in relationships that are not living up to their expectations so they are looking for other options and they don't want to rock the boat and spoil everything so early in the game and tell you up front something like, "Gee, I'm living with this guy right now and I have two kids by him,"..so this isn't 100%, but still:
In the future,just try to be more careful.Be more aware of your surroundings and the kinds of vibes and attention you are picking up from the people there.
And forget about those jerks!
It takes all kinds to make a world.
And what goes around comes around,law of karma and stuff, and people pretty much get what's coming to them in the end.
Just my thoughts,
Ferdelance
 
#14 ·
i like the roadhouse point of view where swaze's like be nice be nice be nice, and be nice until it's time to not be nice anymore

there's so many fight you can avoid by just being nice instead of tough if you hit on a guys gf just be like i'm sorry man i din't know i was just talking to her...offer to buy him a drink or something but just be nice...more likely than not if you're being nice the crowd around you won't let the fight happen in the first place...i mean if you were at a party and some guy was threating a polite smiling guy are you gonna let him hit the kid? don't think so

as for sucker punches hey there's not much you can do, if you're standing with a drink in one hand and your other hand in your pocket hitting on some guy's gf...you're asking for it....some good stuff on mental preparation and always excpecting the unexpected is Tony Blauer's Spear System, look it up on youtube, it's all about being prepared in a potential fight situation

is it alright to sucker punch someone? who knows? it's a matter of moral opinion i think it's a pretty bitch move to do even if someone did it to you first....be more creative i'd slash his tires, drop a dookie in his mailbox maybe get his hot little sister mad drunk and play put the sausage in between the buns who knows..to me that's more satisfying than punching him in the face and starting a fight
 
#15 ·
i think it's a pretty bitch move to do even if someone did it to you first....be more creative i'd slash his tires, drop a dookie in his mailbox maybe get his hot little sister mad drunk and play put the sausage in between the buns who knows..to me that's more satisfying than punching him in the face and starting a fight
While I agree that you shouldn't fight in most situations... everything you listed is FAAAARRR bitchier than sucker punching. I mean by leaps and bounds...
 
#18 ·
last weekend me and my friend were at my friends house. this *** named rusty tries punking my friend gabe for no reason (starts pushing him and saying "what? what?". eventually my friend gabe is hanging out on the couch and retaliates by saying to rusty, "you're dad raped your sister you ******* bitch" (rusty's dad really did, he's a registered sex offender) anyway my friend gabe stood up to him right in his face and rusty says : "you do not want to get hit by me, do you know how hard i hit?" before rusty can finish the last word my friend gabe throws an overhand right and it lands right on the jaw. rusty's legs give out and he stumbles across the kitchen saying "oohhh shittt!" then my friend gabe pounces on him and its quickly broken up.



goes to show some **** are all talk no walk :)
 
#19 ·
Thats why they call it a sucker punch. Only pussies do that. If he sucker punched you for no reason or just for the **** of it. He's a bitch and deserves a beating.

Plus if he knew you were fighting or training, he probably just wanted to try to cal your bluff.
 
#21 ·
That's why they call it a sucker punch. Only pussies do that.
Bas Rutten advocates sucker punching. Bas Rutten = poooosy?

Either way, your view is very naive. If a fight is unavoidable, what's your suggested alternative to a sucker punch?
 
#27 ·
Im not sure what the exact definition is of a sucker punch but i think its hitting someone when its totally unexpected. So if the guy doesnt see it or if there was no argument at all and you just hit him.

Ofcoarse if theres a bit of a confrontation and you hit first, thats not a suckerpunch.
 
#31 ·
ive never really been the first to drop a punch

usually let the asshole hit you first then take it from there......
 
#32 ·
Wow

Sorry you got ganked, there. I myself agree with you to a degree, because I do have a code of ethics, no matter how idiotic I know it to be. Thankfully, I've never been put down by the first hit in a fight, even when I didn't expect it, so I guess my view may be a bit provincial. Currently, though, I find it necessary to preserve my own integrity so that any one of my friends or family regarding me can know that they can trust me not to lash out at them unexpectedly, or to harm them (except for my brothers, haha).

What I don't understand is how you thought it was wise to post this question. You obviously had your own firm belief on the subject (as demonstrated by your repeated insulting of the other guy), and it's largely accepted that people have to do what they can to win a fight (or at least be able to walk away from it), even if that includes "cheap" shots, or using a weapon. I think you would have been better served asking for advice on how to handle this situation from this point on, rather than on whether or not the other guy's action was excusable. By this account, you reacted well (if, by your own admission, inaccurately), and managed to keep your opponent from putting you out of the fight.

I personally wouldn't be worried about this. He has no reason to be pissed at you from this point (he probably think he won [even though there wasn't much of a fight before it was broken up]), so do your best to find out what caused it and just be ready if he shows up at any more parties you're attending.
 
#33 ·
ya so one of my friends actually knows the guy that sucker punched me and wat had happened is he showed up at the party late and he heard someone had been hitting on his girlfriend and one of his friends just pointed me out eventhough i actually hadnt. thats when he suckerpunched me, but i was insulting the guy because he had been there for 10 minutes and already tried to start a fight with someone else and was pushing people down into this gross sludge on the floor caus he thought it was funny. And my friend says that he already has had over 3 accounts of assault in court so obviosly this guy has issues. but i asked this question because none of my friends are really into fighting and i wanted to see what other fighters think about sucker punching and a moral code of ethics. but in street fighting ther arnt rely ethics to go by and u win some and u lose some
 
#34 ·
This does NOT belong on any MMA forum.
But trust me, it DOESN'T matter. Before I had my son and grew up and became an adult I was a scrappy street fighter and the bottom line is if you are street fighting you are trying to hurt the other person for one reason or another and there aren't any referees. Thats it.
There is no bitch move, there is no cheating.
If you're stupid enough to be street fighting then you have to be prepared for things like sucker punches, weapons, multiple attackers, etc...
 
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#36 ·
that and this was a high school fight! yes the one guy was twenty sumtin but whatever its not that bad! ive been in a few highschool fights n they all do that shit try to knock ur head off when no ones lookin so they can say they kicked ur ass! ive been sucker punched alot but i regain my composure n square off wit them! 99 perecent of the time they back down n just talk a load of shit then walk away! but in my opinion u should neveer start a fight or sucker punch someone! defend urself n others that cant defend themselves!
 
#37 ·
Now I didn't read the story that initiated this thread so here is my view on sucker punches:

I NEVER sucker punch. I NEVER fight dirty (biting, pulling hair, etc) either. I kinda have this "code of honor" that I follow. Sucker punching is for guys that doubt themselves in fights in my opinion. I also never throw the first punch in a street fight because I learned over my last street fight that if I throw a punch first a lawsuit could be headed my way. I usually wait til the other person punches me TWICE so I can beat their ass senseless without worrying about police/court.

What I've been taught is if a sucker punch is coming, take a look at the opponent's elbow and you noticed that it drops. That's the way to see if a sucker punch is coming.
 
#38 ·
I was in town a while ago and this kid was talking shit abuot me and he didnt even know me. He said I was flirting with his GF like 2 years ago (WTF?) and at that time, my BEST FRIEND was dating his supposed GF. Tard. Anyways, I tell the kid I'll fight if he wants, because Im not one to back down. Kepp in mind I dont even knwo the kid.

We set up the fight and everythign and then I figure out he's 16. I'm 18. Do the federal math and you find out that I go to jail (assault on a minor) so I said screw that. Then he says his cousin will fight me in his place. I said okay and was going to elt it happen.

His douchebag cousin shows up with four dudes waiting to beat on me. I told him to go **** himself and called him a *****, because I too have a code of ethics. I will fight one on one, I never bring other people into it. If I fight, I fight alone. Man Up.

SO basically I show up and he has 4 other guys wiating with hima nd his 16 year old cousing gets in my face, and I tell him to move (remember I hit him I go to jail) and he doesnt. The other dude (his cousin) come up behind him talking crap and I told him to get his baby cuz out of there and we'll do it. He doesnt (*****). and swings at me three times. Kid obviously doesnt know how to throw a punch and I easily slip all three. At this point, he's swung on me 3 times, I legally have the right to self defense and to beat the mother fucker senseless but I didnt because of his baby cousin. Anyway, I get back in my car, tell him to go **** himself and when he wants to fight me like a man then to to find me. Next thing I know he pulls open my car door and starts talking shit. I start talking to Shane (my brother in law/trainer) and the kids sucker punches me in the face.

Apparently gettign hit in the face doesnt hurt nearly as bad as I thought. Or he cant ******* punch.

Anywyas, he blasts me in the face and I stare at him for about a second and go to get out of my car. By the time I'm out of my car the kid is like a block away running his ass off.

Point in case, getting hit in the face doesnt hurt as bad as you'd think and the people who do it have no confidence in themselve. Had that kid stayed around I wouldve beat the piss out of him and his friends.

No real reason to the story, just related to teh thread and bragging rights lolz

EDIT: Another thing, my ethics

Dont sucker punch
Dont fight with friends, fight one on one
No hair pulling, biting, fish hooking, eye gouging or ball kicking.
Never EVER call the cops in a fair fight. If you both agree to it and one of you gets your ass handed to you, man up.
 
#41 ·
Pre-emptive striking is ok. I got my drunkass whooped once that started with a sucker punch. I won't suckerpunch anybody if it had something to do with me unless they start to get agressive. If someone abbuses someone or an animal that can't defend theselfes I don't really care because they asked for it. Whenever you get into a confrontation keep your arms crossed so you can get them up in time and keep your chin down so you can protect your face and give a headbut to innitiate the fight. Don't try and get into fights. If you go down god knows what they might do to you. (BAs Rutten - Lethal Streetfighting, learn and laugh)
 
#43 ·
I've been sucker punched a few times and it sucks. Your caught off gaurd and while you are trying to get your wits abck about you the other guy is already in the indset for more. so i agree with ironman earlier when he said to be ready at all times. things can and will happen eventually if you put yourself into those kinds of positions.

Good Luck
CM
 
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